E10 Fuel Compatibility for Speed Six
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A lot of overthinking going on here. Just put a dose of ethanol fuel conditioner in the tank for layup. It’s what I do with mine for the winter with E5 in it….job done.
A few quid from your local motor factors or Amazon, etc.
One example of the many offerings out there.
https://lucasoil.com/products/fuel-treatments/safe...
A few quid from your local motor factors or Amazon, etc.
One example of the many offerings out there.
https://lucasoil.com/products/fuel-treatments/safe...
dvs_dave said:
A lot of overthinking going on here. Just put a dose of ethanol fuel conditioner in the tank for layup. It’s what I do with mine for the winter with E5 in it….job done.
A few quid from your local motor factors or Amazon, etc.
One example of the many offerings out there.
https://lucasoil.com/products/fuel-treatments/safe...
Interesting, thank for thatA few quid from your local motor factors or Amazon, etc.
One example of the many offerings out there.
https://lucasoil.com/products/fuel-treatments/safe...
Is it ok to put a dose once the car is laid up or are you meant to add it when filling up?
It's easy to stop phase separation of ethanol/gasoline petrol by adding all sorts of stuff,eg acetone.
But please don't pretend that these "snake oils ", won't change octane ,any other host of possible detrimental effects, eg calorific value.
If you are going to put something into your fuel that's so wonderful,why isn't it in there to start with?
This stuff is just like adding " redex", in the sixties. Seemed like a good idea at the time, apparently!
Just use ethanol free fuel,simples.
But please don't pretend that these "snake oils ", won't change octane ,any other host of possible detrimental effects, eg calorific value.
If you are going to put something into your fuel that's so wonderful,why isn't it in there to start with?
This stuff is just like adding " redex", in the sixties. Seemed like a good idea at the time, apparently!
Just use ethanol free fuel,simples.
Ethanol in petrol absorbs water from the atmosphere.
The higher amount of ethanol the more water can/ will be absorbed.
E5 will absorb less ultimate volume of water than E10, and very likely absorb it slower.
The reason why this can be a problem,is that once enough water had been absorbed,the ethanol ( now in a solution with water) separates into a separate layer from the gasoline element ( it's called phase separation).
The watery layer accumulates on the lower layer and the oily gasoline in the upper layer.
So,when you try to run the car , you will be running on watery ethanol,which won't work and it will corrode metals .
The " snake oil", if it actually works, will work just as well with E5 or quite likely better.
However, you'd be better off draining the fuel out over winter or using ethanol free fuel if you can get it.
Remember,the "snake oil ", only claims to stop phase separation/ corrosion?
What does it say about calorific value,octane etc?
Unlikely to be independently tested,you have to rely on the products own advertising.
If it was so great,then the fuel companies would add it to E5 or E10.
Notice the expensive anglo- American " storage petrol", is simple ethanol free fuel,No "snake oil ", element .
The higher amount of ethanol the more water can/ will be absorbed.
E5 will absorb less ultimate volume of water than E10, and very likely absorb it slower.
The reason why this can be a problem,is that once enough water had been absorbed,the ethanol ( now in a solution with water) separates into a separate layer from the gasoline element ( it's called phase separation).
The watery layer accumulates on the lower layer and the oily gasoline in the upper layer.
So,when you try to run the car , you will be running on watery ethanol,which won't work and it will corrode metals .
The " snake oil", if it actually works, will work just as well with E5 or quite likely better.
However, you'd be better off draining the fuel out over winter or using ethanol free fuel if you can get it.
Remember,the "snake oil ", only claims to stop phase separation/ corrosion?
What does it say about calorific value,octane etc?
Unlikely to be independently tested,you have to rely on the products own advertising.
If it was so great,then the fuel companies would add it to E5 or E10.
Notice the expensive anglo- American " storage petrol", is simple ethanol free fuel,No "snake oil ", element .
astonman said:
Ethanol in petrol absorbs water from the atmosphere.
The higher amount of ethanol the more water can/ will be absorbed.
E5 will absorb less ultimate volume of water than E10, and very likely absorb it slower.
The reason why this can be a problem,is that once enough water had been absorbed,the ethanol ( now in a solution with water) separates into a separate layer from the gasoline element ( it's called phase separation).
The watery layer accumulates on the lower layer and the oily gasoline in the upper layer.
So,when you try to run the car , you will be running on watery ethanol,which won't work and it will corrode metals .
The " snake oil", if it actually works, will work just as well with E5 or quite likely better.
However, you'd be better off draining the fuel out over winter or using ethanol free fuel if you can get it.
Remember,the "snake oil ", only claims to stop phase separation/ corrosion?
What does it say about calorific value,octane etc?
Unlikely to be independently tested,you have to rely on the products own advertising.
If it was so great,then the fuel companies would add it to E5 or E10.
Notice the expensive anglo- American " storage petrol", is simple ethanol free fuel,No "snake oil ", element .
A lot of alarmist pseudo-science nonsense right there. The higher amount of ethanol the more water can/ will be absorbed.
E5 will absorb less ultimate volume of water than E10, and very likely absorb it slower.
The reason why this can be a problem,is that once enough water had been absorbed,the ethanol ( now in a solution with water) separates into a separate layer from the gasoline element ( it's called phase separation).
The watery layer accumulates on the lower layer and the oily gasoline in the upper layer.
So,when you try to run the car , you will be running on watery ethanol,which won't work and it will corrode metals .
The " snake oil", if it actually works, will work just as well with E5 or quite likely better.
However, you'd be better off draining the fuel out over winter or using ethanol free fuel if you can get it.
Remember,the "snake oil ", only claims to stop phase separation/ corrosion?
What does it say about calorific value,octane etc?
Unlikely to be independently tested,you have to rely on the products own advertising.
If it was so great,then the fuel companies would add it to E5 or E10.
Notice the expensive anglo- American " storage petrol", is simple ethanol free fuel,No "snake oil ", element .
But by all means keep pushing over-complex solutions to a very simple and already well solved problem. Better to have multiple options to choose from.
I doubt fuel would be BS compliant (or whatever the current standards are called) with the additive included, doesn't mean it's bad full stop though.
Fuel will lose octane as it ages anyway.
They may also not include it simply on cost grounds, it's pretty competitive price wise and despite the marketing garbage that shell would like you to believe there's next to no difference between 2 brands of the same octane E5 or same octane E10.
Fuel will lose octane as it ages anyway.
They may also not include it simply on cost grounds, it's pretty competitive price wise and despite the marketing garbage that shell would like you to believe there's next to no difference between 2 brands of the same octane E5 or same octane E10.
Esso produce the Only E5 available at the pumps ,which is Ethanol Free( in the Southeast and Midlands of England).
I'm told that Esso supply Tesco? If they do then it's very likely E5 99Ron at Tesco in the Southeast and Midlands of England,will also be Ethanol Free.
On a different note,I have traveled one thousand miles of largely motorway recently ( four journeys,two in each direction).In a Citroen Saxo 1.6 vtr, which is apparently E10 compatible.However, not wanting to trust 19 rear old rubber pipes, pumps and seals to E10 ,I used E5 from Tesco 99ron.
What's interesting is that on the old basic E5 we've used for years,the car always did 43/44 mpg on this trip,and we've done it every year for the previous 18 years .
This year on 99 Ron E5 the car did a minimum of 54mpg.This is E5 with Ethanol in it, because we are traveling between Northwest England and Scotland and back.
So, although it cost more to fill up, the improved fuel consumption more than off set it.
I really can't explain this mpg improvement,it would make some sense if the E5 99 Ron was ethanol free, but that's very unlikely ,since the fill ups occurred in Cheadle and Edinburgh, respectively.
I'm told that Esso supply Tesco? If they do then it's very likely E5 99Ron at Tesco in the Southeast and Midlands of England,will also be Ethanol Free.
On a different note,I have traveled one thousand miles of largely motorway recently ( four journeys,two in each direction).In a Citroen Saxo 1.6 vtr, which is apparently E10 compatible.However, not wanting to trust 19 rear old rubber pipes, pumps and seals to E10 ,I used E5 from Tesco 99ron.
What's interesting is that on the old basic E5 we've used for years,the car always did 43/44 mpg on this trip,and we've done it every year for the previous 18 years .
This year on 99 Ron E5 the car did a minimum of 54mpg.This is E5 with Ethanol in it, because we are traveling between Northwest England and Scotland and back.
So, although it cost more to fill up, the improved fuel consumption more than off set it.
I really can't explain this mpg improvement,it would make some sense if the E5 99 Ron was ethanol free, but that's very unlikely ,since the fill ups occurred in Cheadle and Edinburgh, respectively.
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