Another one! Tap, tap, clack clack !!!

Another one! Tap, tap, clack clack !!!

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heightswitch

6,318 posts

251 months

Saturday 3rd September 2005
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[/quote]There are a few independants out there but they are mainly run by ex TVR engineers such as SFR.[/quote]

Hi All.

Normally I would never comment adversly on an independant specialist. I would however never recomend a certain so called specialist in stockport.

if anyone is considering this option then please consider very carefully.

Neil.

justinbaker

Original Poster:

1,339 posts

249 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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The Valve spring retainers failed on my engine, the picture above shows the new version, made of titanium, rather than cheese!

It has a clearly bigger shim support shoulder, this ones the part offered by Autocraft SVE


Autocraft SVE
Unit 11
Harnham Trading Estate
Salisbury
SP2 8NW
tel 01722 411118
office@autocraftsve.co.uk
www.autocraftsve.co.uk/

I did get a mail from Dave Davies, who is kind enough to offer me parts to fix mine, not the upgraded parts as thats part of the package. Used parts.


>> Edited by justinbaker on Sunday 4th September 16:58

350matt

3,740 posts

280 months

Sunday 4th September 2005
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so autocraft are willing to sell their parts seperatly then?

Good news, shows the confidence they have in the parts

Matt

justinbaker

Original Poster:

1,339 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th September 2005
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Is it possible to remove the head after removing the front damper, then front cover?

I was wondering this after being informed by a friendly mechanic at TMS, and Dave Davies that the engine needs to be removed from the underside, that's not a small job, hence the costs involved with the specialists. Don't forget they have to refit, and fettle it too.

Look at the state of the engine in the picture above (mine), it looks like it has been sitting in a damp barn not run for 30 years! It's not even 5 yet!


heightswitch

6,318 posts

251 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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its easy justin.
Lower engine to ground complete with box under car then use your hoist to lift the car by the chassis rails (spreading the loads accordingly) The car doesn't weigh much once you have unbolted the engine and box??

neil.

justinbaker

Original Poster:

1,339 posts

249 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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I suppose it might be a very light object in reality, there's not bonnet on it no massive weight at all, I bet if you stood in the engine bay you could lift the front end up easily. - Photo to follow maybe ;-)

I need to find the lost shim from no.6 inlet that has certainly gone onto the oil-way. I did have a fish about with a magnet on an extending arm to try and find it, but couldn’t locate it. It might be worth draining the sump then trying in there, I believe there is a baffle in the sump that might prevent this, but will still need to find it, engine in or out!

I did have a conversation with Adrian at Speed Six Engine Tech, who says it is possible to remove the head, while in the vehicle, after removing the crank damper. He did say it is essential that the timing is spot on, and that it’s very difficult to do this with the engine in place.

Interestingly, he seems to think that either my valves have stretched, or that the valve seats have receded into the head, and a smaller thinner shim have been used to compensate this, they didn't have as much depth into the retainer. hence it popping out! I suppose this with worn valve guides would be the ingredients for my failure. It would be good to know if my recovered shim is one of the thin ones. I will rin a micrometer over it in the morning and publish the result.

I did have some unproductive time spare today, so made use of it cleaning up the Cam cover, and logo. the red is temperature resistant stuff!


I know the engine gets hot as its crackled the paint on the LH scuttle. I found this too.



>> Edited by justinbaker on Wednesday 7th September 17:57

>> Edited by justinbaker on Wednesday 7th September 18:10

J.T.

294 posts

241 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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justinbaker said:
I found this too.



I know it gets hot around the manifolds but jeeeez!

sideways mostly

2,681 posts

242 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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no wonder they didn't want to turbocharge it and opted for supercharging for the Typhon

>> Edited by sideways mostly on Wednesday 7th September 18:20

_Deejay_

4,898 posts

255 months

Wednesday 7th September 2005
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sideways mostly said:
no wonder they didn't want to turbocharge it and opted for supercharging for the Typhon

>> Edited by sideways mostly on Wednesday 7th September 18:20


Didn't the Typhon get canned because of heat issues that they never resolved anyway?

sideways mostly

2,681 posts

242 months

Thursday 8th September 2005
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I think thats right.Great shame as 500 bhp, carbon fibrebody with looks to die for four seaters are a little rare. I'd have bought one!

justinbaker

Original Poster:

1,339 posts

249 months

Saturday 10th September 2005
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Here's the head gasket, with regards to if you can get the parts for the engine, so far so good!



David Gerald TVR Sportscars Limited
The Green, Inkberrow,
Worcestershire.
WR7 4JF
Tel. 01386 793237

Very helpful chap who charged me
6 x O ring Cam cover £1.25 ea.
1 x Head Gasket £119.00
2 x Head Gasket O ring 45 pence!

Delivered next day, via TNT - Great stuff!

chris watton

22,477 posts

261 months

Saturday 10th September 2005
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Have you got all the parts you need Justin? I must admit, being a total numpty when it comes to engines, especially our engine, I am finding your posts fascinating! How long do you think it will take to put it all back together?

justinbaker

Original Poster:

1,339 posts

249 months

Wednesday 14th September 2005
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It was worth asking about the gaskets, and if we could buy them direct from the manufacturer, but got this a few moments ago:-

Dear Mr Baker,
thank you for your message.
Unfortunately we cannot sell our TVR gaskets directly, we manufacture only for the original equipment. SORRY!

Best Regards,
Daniela Manini
Marketing&Sales Aftermarket
Spesso Gaskets
Str. del Francese 133
TORINO (ITALY)
Tel 00390114508111
www.spesso.com

It was worth a try.

Hot racer

375 posts

234 months

Wednesday 14th September 2005
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Just out of interest, since we're in the same boat, why did you pay £119 for your h/gasket, when on page 1 of this thread it is listed at £101.05 from Tvrgear???
P.S. Not had chance to strip mine yet, so don't know what parts i'll need.

350matt

3,740 posts

280 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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Will you chaps be rpelacing the bronze valve guides with the latest Cast iron ones?

Matt

SXS

3,065 posts

258 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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350matt said:
Will you chaps be rpelacing the bronze valve guides with the latest Cast iron ones?

Matt


A failed 2004 engine with cast iron guides is over at TVRCraft, they had a lot of tech stuff to say how stupid the idea to use iron-guides was.

daftlad

3,324 posts

242 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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SXS said:

350matt said:
Will you chaps be rpelacing the bronze valve guides with the latest Cast iron ones?

Matt



A failed 2004 engine with cast iron guides is over at TVRCraft, they had a lot of tech stuff to say how stupid the idea to use iron-guides was.

Remeber Ted's no naming and shaming policy......ops, forgot, its for everybody but TVR.

Tuska

961 posts

231 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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los angeles said:
This thread is a model of what Pistonheads was established to do. Well written, discussed with civility and patience, and great illustrative pics. I am only sorry that it's genesis is yet another screwed TVR engine.


Here, here. This is the best and most constructive thread i have read for ages. Fascinating stuff, keep it up!!!

SXS

3,065 posts

258 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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daftlad said:

SXS said:


350matt said:
Will you chaps be rpelacing the bronze valve guides with the latest Cast iron ones?

Matt




A failed 2004 engine with cast iron guides is over at TVRCraft, they had a lot of tech stuff to say how stupid the idea to use iron-guides was.


Remeber Ted's no naming and shaming policy......ops, forgot, its for everybody but TVR.


Come on bro, Naming and shaming???? I dont believe I was, this is 'a sort of' technical discussion, is it not? I just made an observation and was merely referencing what I heard from engineers. Anyone with an engineering background would tell you about the disadvantages of using iron as a material for valve guides in an ali-head.

Bronze, berillium, copper are just some of the ingredients used in compound metals for valve-guides in aluminium heads, for a reason!
Thermal expansion, valve stem friction, etc etc... if you throw in a fix, yup it might solve one issue, but if it leads to other problems, then whats the point?

Talk to any decent head-man, and you'll get a primer on dos and donts of head-engineering. I did way back when discussing my heads, bloody forgot most of it though , just remembered the key points which is enough.

justinp1

13,330 posts

231 months

Thursday 15th September 2005
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daftlad said:

SXS said:


350matt said:
Will you chaps be rpelacing the bronze valve guides with the latest Cast iron ones?

Matt




A failed 2004 engine with cast iron guides is over at TVRCraft, they had a lot of tech stuff to say how stupid the idea to use iron-guides was.


Remeber Ted's no naming and shaming policy......ops, forgot, its for everybody but TVR.


If making a point that there is a design error is 'naming and shaming' then I think the same applies to every thread in the Speed Six Engine section...