Speed 6 Failure, and mechanical breakdown insurance problem

[SXS]

DJC said:

Cant afford the clap? Dont shag a Blackpool slut. TVRs...its that simple.

and I thought I can be harsh at times...

I like that one, mind if I use it?

[DJC]

SXS said:

DJC said: Cant afford the clap? Dont shag a Blackpool slut. TVRs...its that simple. and I thought I can be harsh at times... I like that one, mind if I use it?

Of course.

[nelly1]

Even if you have a warranty / new car and the engine goes, the car will still be off the road for an inordinately long period of time

My point was - wouldn't it be nice if there was some way to minimise this?
Even if you had to pay at the end of the day....

[_DeeJay_]

nelly1 said:

Even if you have a warranty / new car and the engine goes, the car will still be off the road for an inordinately long period of time My point was - wouldn't it be nice if there was some way to minimise this? Even if you had to pay at the end of the day....

Are you sure? I thought the turnaround time was much, much quicker now?

[nelly1]

_DeeJay_ said:

nelly1 said: Even if you have a warranty / new car and the engine goes, the car will still be off the road for an inordinately long period of time My point was - wouldn't it be nice if there was some way to minimise this? Even if you had to pay at the end of the day.... Are you sure? I thought the turnaround time was much, much quicker now?

Hmmmmmmm....let's ask Justin shall we ??

[Tusker]

Was at seaside from Oct 04 - Feb 05

12K miles

RAC Warranties refused to cough a penny, Loophole Department claimed excessive wear & tear, see.

Would not let me see a copy of engineer's report.

[justinbaker]

So far my car was collected Monday 12th September.
.

I was told 8 weeks, as the valves are manufactured in the USA (sodium filled) but in fact in my position it helps me out somewhat, as I am having an ongoing fight with Motorplan over what caused my problems. I am expecting, and have been promised a call at 11.00am with some sort of resolve to my response.

Like I said Austec are being good about it!

My Freelander broke down yesterday, I had to call the AA - What fun.....

edited by JB, as usual for my appalling spelling

>> Edited by justinbaker on Wednesday 12th October 10:34

[nelly1]

justinbaker said:

So far my car was collected Monday 12th September. . I was told 8 weeks, as the valves are manufactured in the USA (sodium filled) but in fact in my position it helps me out somewhat, as I am having an ongoing fight with Motorplan over what caused my problems. I am expecting, and have been promised a call at 11.00am with some sort of resolve to my response. Like I said Austec are being good about it!

I feel for you mate - seen your engineless car there on the occasions I've been to see mine

If it makes you feel any better, mine went in (for bodywork repairs) on the 16th of July!!

It took 9 weeks just to get the chassis!

....still, light at the end of the tunnel and all that....

[SXS]

Nelly, that was yours in the bodyshop area then? with the twisted front arms???? Looked a depressing state

[nelly1]

SXS said:

Nelly, that was yours in the bodyshop area then? with the twisted front arms???? Looked a depressing state

'Twas!



But it's much better now !!

Should get her back next week-ish

[bjwoods]

DJC said:

bjwoods said: hey i've got a griff, which is tvr's problem.... As I would have liked a tuscan, when they come out until now, but in 2001 they were saying the 2000 engine problems are fixed now!!!!! fast forward 5 years same again.. residuals are stuffed on s6 cars, and unless you are loaded, it too big a finacial risk, iknow, of more than a few owners 2000 - 2002 cars that just can't sell them. B Tough nuts. Buyer beware, etc. I had a Griff, cracking 4.3. Loved it. Part ex'd it for a car I barely liked, with an engine that would probably explode on me at some pt. and that I could just about afford and would lose me money faster than my fiancee could spend it. All on a whim and an inkling that what I was buying wasnt just a great sportscar but quite possibly might turn out to be an absolute legend. Ppl like you are the reason I would generally prefer TVR to exist producing maybe 200 cars a yr, go bust every 5 yrs and live hand to mouth. Keep you in your BMWs and Mercs where you belong. Cant afford the clap? Dont shag a Blackpool slut. TVRs...its that simple.

Probably best not mention this to the guy that started this thread

www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=214176&f=152&h=0

2 year old car less than 10k miles -

but inho plp like you are the fools that allow TVR to continue to behave like this.... As the apologists seem to have given tvr the hope it will just ignore problems/ and they can afford to do this to customers.

As they cannot treat customers this badly and expect to sell new cars, imho, we are not talking warranty and fair wear and tear, but admitted faulty components by tvr, and the designer publicly stating that tvr's engine changes will permanently be flawed and inherently prone to premature failure.

TVR will not survive as a 200 car a year manufacturer, the dealer network would disapear and be a self perpetuating downward spiral.

IF it were to go bust the reputation would be huge damaged, (after all TVR has - prior to NS only had TWO owners in nearly FORTY years - Martin Lilley and Peter Wheeler) TVR would not survive going bust, after all the warranties for example would go down with the company.

They probably need to sell at least 600 cars a year to keep the dealer network, probably more like 1000 to be comfortable.

If you look at the dealer stock and indy's used tuscans are not shifting, the used market is vital to TVR, as previously high residuals encouraged trade in's for the new (now quite expensive) TVr's

B

>> Edited by bjwoods on Wednesday 12th October 20:24

[SXS]

Off topic (sorry fellas),
BJ, I see you own an X5, what they like???? Solid???

[bjwoods]

Never had a BMW before,(it is my wife's) BUT totally impressed with it (diesel the only sensible option, and v good performance - lots of torque)

also the most economical vehicle we've got

Drives unbelievably well, handles superbly. Totally different league amongst 4x4's for on road driving ability (cf, volvo xc90, ml, etc) and pretty good in the muddy fields and winter driving country roads.

Plus really high residuals (diesel one again)
2-3 year old ones with ave miles seem to get 80-90% of list price or more.

B

[UpTheIron]

bjwoods said:

more than a few owners 2000 - 2002 cars that just can't sell them.

They aren't trying hard enough. Residuals aren't great, but not really much worse than other cars in the same performance bracket.

How much has a 996TT lost in the last couple of years, or a F360, even a Lambo? Yes, they cost more in the first place so in percentage terms perhaps they haven't lost as much, but in cold hard cash they have probably lost more.

I could sell my Tuscan for £10k less than I bought it a year ago and I would find a buyer - and I don't think I could have had as much fun for much less...

These owners of early S6 cars that can't sell them - how much of it is a case of expecting silly money? It's a buyers market, so cars need to be in excellent condition and keenly priced.

From time to time I seriously consider swapping back to a Chim/Griff, but frankly it would be a backward step in everything other than the fabled RV8 reliability. And my second Chim cost me a small fortune!

I understand your views BJ and others, and the never ending S6 debacle is appalling, and that TVR have not sorted it is diabolical, but for many of us the S6 engines cars represent the best we can buy for our money.

Yes, you need to be prepared for a rebuild, but I wouldn't buy a Rover engined TVR without the same piggy bank at the ready.

[bjwoods]

The rover engine may need a rebuild at some point (ie 6ok plus), BUT not evry 15k miles OR less than some people have with S6's. there are also a lot more people that can do this, and a lot cheaper.

I've changed the dampers and springs on my griff (the old tvr ones failed ) now have ohlins that areTUNED for a griff. and imho it handles as well (well as well as i can distinguish) as a new mk2 tusc - NOT saying faster, just handles so much better than it used to.

but it's got to the point where 1998-2000 griff with similar mileages are worth MORE than a 2000 -2001 tuscan, and I can see this trend continuing - if not accelerating, which must be bad news for TVR.

B

>> Edited by bjwoods on Wednesday 12th October 20:57

>> Edited by bjwoods on Wednesday 12th October 20:58

[SXS]

BJ, I understand your concerns, I dont think anyone would disagree with your overall points, but you have to remember one thing, TVR is our LAST remaining hope for a british engined british car. If we dont get behind the factory in moral support - we will scare away potential customers of new cars (who will be well looked after with the new 3 year warranty scheme).

Lets just put this one at bay for now, and concentrate on the matter in hand, Justin Baker has been seriously hit here, from both the financial and psychological angles, and he needs OUR support!


Justin, whats the latest update bud?

[bjwoods]

to be honest the way TVR have behaved, they do not deserve our support....

I know of 3 people personally who are badly out of pocket, and will NEVER buy anothe TVR.

It is about trust...

After all as a customer could you PROVE you have not abused your new car, ie excessive wear found, or could you PROVE a design fault or faulty componenets...

Reading some TVR comments and letters from TVR (on here) it would seem to be the case that they ASSUME you've abused it, it could not possibly have failed due to there own problems...

I do not want to ridk this, and would not have the stomach to fight with lawyers. though I believe many people have, though have settled out of court.

[justinbaker]

Ash,

I spoke with Trading Standards over my warranty policy, who then asked me to contact the Financial Ombudsman. They encouranged me to file a complaint, as I think its more interesting for them that miss selling mortgages etc, so straightforward questions were asked in my documentation, that I submitted (special delivery) by 4.00pm yesterday.

Submitted with photos engineers reports, about 12 supporting pages.



Alex from Austec rang at 5:15pm to say the warranty company are re-evaluating the engine at lunch time today. I am trying to stay a step ahead, this second visit is again to support their own interests. IMHO.

I will repost after lunch or so.
Ash, I am feeling OK today, sorry I was a little depressed Monday.

[greatgranny]

Just thought I would voice my support for you.

Good luck with this.

I've had experience of warranty companies trying to avoid paying up and saying it was "wear and tear".

Keep on it, I'm sure you will be successful.

[justinbaker]

Alex from Austec mailed me a moment ago regarding my second assessment.

"It was a fairly old guy that came out and he seemed to be very thorough. Paul was with him all the time. The assessor said he couldn't work out why it had done what it done - which I suppose is a good thing for you.
Didn't give anymore information than that. Fingers crossed ! - Alex."

I will call them first thing in the morning, to see what his formal report is. I will no doubt have to jump through hoops to obtain this from the warranty company, under the data protection act as last time.

Thumbs up to Alex, and Paul, for keeping me informed all the way too.