Speed camera detectors recommendation
Discussion
Zippyworld said:
I have been notified of two offences in a week of 36 in a 30, both by hand held guns.
I have been clean for 18 years prior.
I can easily spot yellow boxes without issue and even possess the ability to slow down before I reach them.
Not difficult really, stop being a cock if you can rxe
Um, then the point I am making is very relevant. A speed camera GPS locator detector won't help you. The only thing that will mitigate your problem is Waze. Per the post from a policeman above, there is no point in a laser detector - once its detected the laser, you will have been nicked. I have been clean for 18 years prior.
I can easily spot yellow boxes without issue and even possess the ability to slow down before I reach them.
Not difficult really, stop being a cock if you can rxe
Just to make it very clear:
The bloke by the side of the road who nicked you uses a laser gun. It shines on your car, and does some very complex calculations involving wavelength to calculate your speed. It does the data acquisition in about 200 milliseconds.
Anything trying to detect the presence of laser light will do it in a 100 milliseconds or so, and then beep at you. About 300 milliseconds later, you will hit the brakes. About 2 seconds later, you will probably be at the right speed.
Thus, you cannot stop the laser detector - there is no technical defence, other than jamming which seems to land you in court.
Waze does not try and jam the radar or even detect it. It relies on the fact that there are enough right-thinking people out there to report mobile cameras. It then alerts users that a report has been made. So half a mile before the guy with the gun, you get a ping that there is a guy with a gun. As a result, you have time to drive past the guy with the gun at an appropriate speed, giving him a nice wave.
In my experience, all mobile camera sites are reported as soon as they set up. I've _never_ encountered one as a driver that I have not been warned about in advance.
Edited by rxe on Thursday 8th October 14:24
rxe said:
Zippyworld said:
I have been notified of two offences in a week of 36 in a 30, both by hand held guns.
I have been clean for 18 years prior.
I can easily spot yellow boxes without issue and even possess the ability to slow down before I reach them.
Not difficult really, stop being a cock if you can rxe
Um, then the point I am making is very relevant. A speed camera GPS locator detector won't help you. The only thing that will mitigate your problem is Waze. Per the post from a policeman above, there is no point in a laser detector - once its detected the laser, you will have been nicked. I have been clean for 18 years prior.
I can easily spot yellow boxes without issue and even possess the ability to slow down before I reach them.
Not difficult really, stop being a cock if you can rxe
Just to make it very clear:
The bloke by the side of the road who nicked you uses a laser gun. It shines on your car, and does some very complex calculations involving wavelength to calculate your speed. It does the data acquisition in about 200 milliseconds.
Anything trying to detect the presence of laser light will do it in a 100 milliseconds or so, and then beep at you. About 300 milliseconds later, you will hit the brakes. About 2 seconds later, you will probably be at the right speed.
Thus, you cannot stop the laser detector - there is no technical defence, other than jamming which seems to land you in court.
Waze does not try and jam the radar or even detect it. It relies on the fact that there are enough right-thinking people out there to report mobile cameras. It then alerts users that a report has been made. So half a mile before the guy with the gun, you get a ping that there is a guy with a gun. As a result, you have time to drive past the guy with the gun at an appropriate speed, giving him a nice wave.
In my experience, all mobile camera sites are reported as soon as they set up. I've _never_ encountered one as a driver that I have not been warned about in advance.
Edited by rxe on Thursday 8th October 14:24
HantsRat said:
Zippyworld said:
Does the vehicle not have to be recorded covering a set distance at an excessive speed ?
You form a prior opinion a vehicle is speeding. Whilst performing this opinion the laser isn't used. The laser is only activated to take the reading. The reading on the laser is instant and can be used as evidence, No need for multiple reading over a set distance. 321boost said:
No opinion needs to be formed. I am sure some operators try to zap every car they can.
According to current guidelines an option does need to be formed. The device is only to corroborate the officers opinion. Look up the Operational use guidelines for speed detection technology issued by College of policing / NPCC. This however isn't law just guidance. Waze. I had a few road angel’s over the year, but towards the end I found that because I got used to ignoring them when driving around locally, because you know where the camera are, that I stopped paying much attention to it at all.
Now I use local knowledge and waze if going anywhere unusal.
Plus waze has the advantage of camera vans.
Now I use local knowledge and waze if going anywhere unusal.
Plus waze has the advantage of camera vans.
I haven't quite got the knack of having Waze running in the background on Apple Carplay, whilst using the car's regular satnav for navigation purposes.
Sometimes Waze will pipe up and warn of a camera/hazard, but sometimes it seems not.
I don't know whether there's conflict between the two systems, but my car won't allow you to use both as actual satnavs at the same time.
Sometimes Waze will pipe up and warn of a camera/hazard, but sometimes it seems not.
I don't know whether there's conflict between the two systems, but my car won't allow you to use both as actual satnavs at the same time.
Jarcy said:
I haven't quite got the knack of having Waze running in the background on Apple Carplay, whilst using the car's regular satnav for navigation purposes.
Sometimes Waze will pipe up and warn of a camera/hazard, but sometimes it seems not.
I don't know whether there's conflict between the two systems, but my car won't allow you to use both as actual satnavs at the same time.
Silly question but isn't the answer to just use waze and not run the in car satnav?Sometimes Waze will pipe up and warn of a camera/hazard, but sometimes it seems not.
I don't know whether there's conflict between the two systems, but my car won't allow you to use both as actual satnavs at the same time.
HantsRat said:
321boost said:
No opinion needs to be formed. I am sure some operators try to zap every car they can.
According to current guidelines an option does need to be formed. The device is only to corroborate the officers opinion. Look up the Operational use guidelines for speed detection technology issued by College of policing / NPCC. This however isn't law just guidance. Anyway in someones opinion all cars might be speeding so get them all.
R0G said:
Why would any driver need such a device?
Are they saying that they are such a bad driver as not to be able to drive within speed limits?
Surely you're on the wrong forum. Mumsnet is over there >>>>>>>>> https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chatAre they saying that they are such a bad driver as not to be able to drive within speed limits?
Jarcy said:
I haven't quite got the knack of having Waze running in the background on Apple Carplay, whilst using the car's regular satnav for navigation purposes.
Sometimes Waze will pipe up and warn of a camera/hazard, but sometimes it seems not.
I don't know whether there's conflict between the two systems, but my car won't allow you to use both as actual satnavs at the same time.
I just have Waze shouting directions from the passenger seat on my phone. And warnings.... One day I’ll join the 21st century and get CarPlay.Sometimes Waze will pipe up and warn of a camera/hazard, but sometimes it seems not.
I don't know whether there's conflict between the two systems, but my car won't allow you to use both as actual satnavs at the same time.
The “community reporting” aspect has only been recently added to Google Maps. I’m not sure if it uses the same reports as Waze - if they glue the two together, then it really doesn’t matter which one you use. If they don’t, then it will be whichever app has the biggest community of right thinking people.
Edited by rxe on Thursday 8th October 19:10
Google own Waze , nice little deal for the 100 employees that got £1.2m each .
Google maps does seem to get some of the data from Waze but it doesn’t seem properly integrated yet and as suck you miss out on lots of hazards . I guess eventually they will just amalgamate them together. But until then Waze rules
Google maps does seem to get some of the data from Waze but it doesn’t seem properly integrated yet and as suck you miss out on lots of hazards . I guess eventually they will just amalgamate them together. But until then Waze rules
321boost said:
It does not matter it is just a guideline. Show me that everyone uses that guidelines correctly.
Anyway in someones opinion all cars might be speeding so get them all.
Ok to give you a real world example... We're trained to form a prior opinion. If I wanted to 'zap' every car my arm would ache and my eyes would hurt. I can assure you an officer would not be zapping every car. It's just not practical even if you wanted to. If I see a car travelling at speed, I then take a reading. Anyway in someones opinion all cars might be speeding so get them all.
HantsRat said:
321boost said:
It does not matter it is just a guideline. Show me that everyone uses that guidelines correctly.
Anyway in someones opinion all cars might be speeding so get them all.
Ok to give you a real world example... We're trained to form a prior opinion. If I wanted to 'zap' every car my arm would ache and my eyes would hurt. I can assure you an officer would not be zapping every car. It's just not practical even if you wanted to. If I see a car travelling at speed, I then take a reading. Anyway in someones opinion all cars might be speeding so get them all.
BIRMA said:
I've had Road Angel products for about 20 plus years and have the latest Pure. I know many people use Waze etc but I've never got on with the phone based systems.
Over the period of time I've had RA products it's probably saved me more times than I can count. I'm not a serial speeder, quite the opposite but at times due to traffic jams I've been late for a survey and in an area I don't know and of course don't know where they hide.
My oldish TomTom sat nav has camera alerts and is also quite good.
Same here - love Road Angel... have worked flawlessly for me for 20 years too. Over the period of time I've had RA products it's probably saved me more times than I can count. I'm not a serial speeder, quite the opposite but at times due to traffic jams I've been late for a survey and in an area I don't know and of course don't know where they hide.
My oldish TomTom sat nav has camera alerts and is also quite good.
Johnnytheboy said:
I don't understand why Waze is considered so superior to Google Maps, which also has the capability to warn others of speed traps.
I wasn’t aware Google maps did warn of cameras, but for me it didn’t used to be compatible with CarPlay. I’m not sure if that is still true or not.Gassing Station | In-Car Electronics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff