Life after IAM?
Discussion
I'm looking at joining my local IAM group to learn and progress my driving, as driving is a big part of my career and I'm wanting to develop into a safer and more aware driver.
I'm awaiting further information on my free taster session that I will be doing before starting the full course, but for those who have done the IAM stuff, I'm wondering how you find your driving after passing the test?
Interested to hear your views
I'm awaiting further information on my free taster session that I will be doing before starting the full course, but for those who have done the IAM stuff, I'm wondering how you find your driving after passing the test?
Interested to hear your views
Which group? I'm an observer (coach) with Blackpool.passed IAM nearly 15yrs ago, did my bit being an observer for three years, goot too busy to keep up, got a bit rusty so redid the course in Jan, trained as an observer over the summer and just Re-qualified. The course is well structured. if you put the work in and accept that it's a standardised system the finer points of which are endlessly debatable it's very worthwhile. Take a look here for a master in action https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC8fDyubAs3eLup-3COg...
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Ian
Post test you are likely to find that you are spotting virtually all the numpties out there that for some reason you never seem to see before.
Easy to over estimate your own abilities post test so be aware of that.
You are likely to keep telling yourself off for every little thing you could do better.
Easy to over estimate your own abilities post test so be aware of that.
You are likely to keep telling yourself off for every little thing you could do better.
Top tip - don't see the IAM course as a goal to achieve / an end-game...
see it as the gateway to a life of learning how to drive better - and I don't mean in a stringback glove, pipe and slippers way - but in terms of understanding the nuances of how to improve your observation / improve your car handling / make the drive more fluid / etc.
driving is often compared to music - most people learn to drive is like most people learn an instrument to maybe grade 5...
some people take it a bit further to grade 8 on their own and then pop off to music college (IAM / RoSPA)
some of those then become musicians - that is when they make it their own thing - they add their interpretation and become professional etc. - as with driving, some go beyond IAM / RoSPA and start to develop the art of driving... IAM will be structure / process / based to help you develop the right outcomes - beyond that you focus more and more on the outcome and start to develop your own processes to deliver that outcome...
IAM is a great starting point, but its biggest failure is people believing that they have now done it - see it as a start and enjoy it!
see it as the gateway to a life of learning how to drive better - and I don't mean in a stringback glove, pipe and slippers way - but in terms of understanding the nuances of how to improve your observation / improve your car handling / make the drive more fluid / etc.
driving is often compared to music - most people learn to drive is like most people learn an instrument to maybe grade 5...
some people take it a bit further to grade 8 on their own and then pop off to music college (IAM / RoSPA)
some of those then become musicians - that is when they make it their own thing - they add their interpretation and become professional etc. - as with driving, some go beyond IAM / RoSPA and start to develop the art of driving... IAM will be structure / process / based to help you develop the right outcomes - beyond that you focus more and more on the outcome and start to develop your own processes to deliver that outcome...
IAM is a great starting point, but its biggest failure is people believing that they have now done it - see it as a start and enjoy it!
Good question. I'm trying to think about what I've done since I passed 15 years ago.
One thing is for sure, the test is just the beginning! You will either slip back into your old ways, or you will have embraced a whole new way of looking at driving, and you will seek further teachings and practice practice practice for the rest of your life. I've seen people do both. And it's nothing to do with how much you like cars. I've seen petrolheads who learned very little, and I've seen a retired lady in Honda Jazz who really "got it".
The IAM course doesn't make you the perfect driver for the rest of your life. Far from it. The standard is quite low compared to what is ultimately achievable. Imagine going out with somebody who just passed their L-plate test. They'd be able to drive, but you'd spot the inexperience immediately. That's how advanced drivers with many years of practice under their belts will feel about your driving the day you pass your IAM test. You will have skills, but your lack of experience will be blindingly obvious.
But unlike the L-plate skills, which you have to use every time you get in a car, some of the advanced skills you learn can be turned on and off. It's up to you to decide how much effort you put in for the rest of your driving days to keep them turned on. Without standards slipping, getting rusty, etc. And you will decide which skills are important to you. I personally don't do as many shoulder checks as you might require for a test because I now only look when something could be there, where the test requires you to look anyway, and I overlap brakes and gears more than I really should. Shocking, I know, but other things are non-negotiable. e.g. I could never drive across a pedestrian crossing without planning to stop until I know nobody is stepping out. You'll see what I mean. Some things are non-negotiable. Some things are tools you can pull out of the toolbox when required. We're not robots. The system is quite robotic. I don't think robots who've passed an advanced robot test are much safer than robots who haven't. You gotta think for yourself.
So, you decide what you want out of the course, and that's what you'll get out of it. You will have learned some tools to keep you safe. You decide if you want to learn more, or forget how to use them and just wear the badge, or develop your own, or whatever.
It's 15 years since I passed my test, and I've only had one observed drive since, unofficially. But I've never stopped studying by myself. I don't need an observer sat next to me (I've been an observer myself) to tell me if I've screwed up. I do lots of things wrong. Some intentional, some not.
Don't assume that everyone with an IAM badge drives like they're on a test all the time forever more. Anyone who pretends they do is fibbing, or a robot, or a very boring person to have a pint with. I have a few different identifiable driving styles these days, and flip between them depending on the mood.
Roughly, they are:
1) By the book. About 5% of the time, just to prove I still can. Or if I'm doing a demo drive, which is rare these days. Usually I make mistakes. I wouldn't get a First/Gold these days without a solid week of practice. I certainly wouldn't be allowed back as an observer without a refresher.
2) "The President's Limo Driver". As smooth as I can, no spilling the First Lady's G&T, but a total disregard for NSL. Try to roll up to every junction ready to go, as little use of the brakes as possible, use the full width of every road, every corner should be one smooth turn in and one smooth turn out under power. That sort of thing. Wouldn't pass any test like this, but it's fun.
3) Sunday blast. Focus on hazards and camera vans, always in a flexible gear for overtakes, to hell with economy, 100% brain power on stopping distances and what-ifs and planning. Basically, as much revvy, BGOL, low-MPG, high-MPH progress-making as possible. Never aggressive towards other drivers. Slow and quiet for half a mile either side of towns. Will only go out solo or with other drivers I trust completely. No newbies. Would not pass an IAM test, Would probably get kicked out the IAM for ever. High probability of points on license if caught, but zero appetite for risk of losing my license, so almost never triple digits on any road. Developing this style is the most satisfying. I need my license, and I value my life. I've had passengers along for the ride, and I've never had one feel uncomfortable yet. I've had compliments. I've had people look at the speedo and ask "how can you go so fast, yet I feel completely safe?". That's what I'm aiming for on road-runs, but you will never learn that on an IAM course. You need to go a lot further by yourself, using all the tools in the box.
4) Asleep at the wheel. I couldn't tell you what the last sign we passed was. There's no commentary going on in my head. I'm tired and I'm just going to work. I wouldn't say it's dangerous (and I'd have a serious talk with myself it it was), but it's a lot more stop-start with less flow. Just to be clear, my idea of asleep at the wheels is probably still a higher standard than anyone who hasn't done any advanced driving. I'll explain why, and this is an important take-away for anyone wondering why to do an IAM course.
Even in my most brain-dead state, my car will always be positioned perfectly on the road. Always. It's automatic. You could set up a dash cam, distract me with conversation for 50 miles and I bet I still position the car very, very well. Even though I'm not thinking about it consciously, imagine how much information I'm taking in to be able to process where the car should be. And that's when you know advanced stuff has sunk in. During the IAM course, most people find that by the time they've thought about the hazard, fitted it into their commentary and adjusted their position in response to it, they're almost past it. There's not time left to think about a plan, and a hazard without a plan is no better than your average driver. So, you can imagine that years of practice at getting as far as seeing the hazard and positioning sub-consiously means that all that's left to do consciously is work out my plan.
That, in a nutshell, has been my aim over the last 15 year. Get as much stuff to become sub-conscious as possible. I want the basics to be F1-driver levels of muscle-memory and instinct, so that the real road-craft is all I'm thinking about. I want all the other cars around me to be like looking at the code in the Matrix. I just know where they're all going and how they'll flow and my physical inputs all just happen, and all I'm focused on is the plans. Expecting the unexpected is very advanced, but it's useless without a plan. There's no point sitting in a pile of crushed metal at the scene of an accident, waiting for the ambulance, and thinking smugly to yourself, "I knew that was about to happen!".
Imagine when you first had your first driving lesson, and it took you 100% of your concentration just to change gear, but 5 years later you don't even think about it, you just do it. The IAM test is a bit like that. You come out of the IAM test with the ability to do new things, but it will takes years and years of practice before they become second nature. And if you don't practice, you just forget them instead and then they'll never become second nature.
So, what happens after the test? That's up to you.
Personally, I own every advanced driving book ever written, I've watched every advanced driving video on youtube (Thank you Reg!) and plenty on DVD and VHS (remember those?). I've done handling course, skid days, trackdays. I practice practice practice. I do commentary drives just for fun.
And I still make loooooads of mistakes. Some obvious, some that non-advanced drivers wouldn't even notice, but I do. I still have accidents too, aparently. I haven't had one for 15 years since I did the course, but then I did this year.
This year I spun and crashed (at very low speed) on a narrow B-road corner. That part of the road was suddenly a skating rink. I went backwards into a stone wall at less than 20mph. I could see the road was wet, and we all know the dangers of a rain shower after a dry spell, but this can only be described as like hitting black ice, but on a warm day in June. The attending police officer explained that I wasn't the first, and that it was the pollen from the field next to us. The wind blew it over, and the recent rain lifted it up. I looked down, and sure enough, yellow rape-seed blowing in the wind. I would never have thought of pollen. The yellow field was not something I had observed, noted and factored into any plan. The rain was, but not the field. Had I thought of it, I would never had assumed it was slippery stuff anyway. Who would unless you'd been taught that or discovered for yourself the hard way! Honestly, you can skate your foot over it like ice. I'll bet Reg knew that, but it was new to me. Learning, learning, learning.
Just 2 days ago, I was stuck in a queue of traffic. I hung back and positioned my car to the nearside to make room for oncoming vehicles, because there was a parked lorry on the opposite side of the road blocking that side and anything oncoming needed room to go round it. I put my handbrake on, selected neutral, BUT kept my brake lights on to show I wasn't parked. Perfect. Planned. Advanced. Smug. And STILL, two cars arrived behind me and drove straight round me and up to the car ahead, skipping the queue, not realising why I was hanging back. Lesson: I shouldn't have been positioned towards the nearside. I looked stopped to them. I got quietly angry at their rudeness, then realised I just learned something about that situation. Next time, hang back but position assertively. Learning all the time. Tiny details.
Two weeks ago, I blocked a police car on blues. First time I've ever failed to get out the way efficiently in my life. We both tried to do the same thing to get out of each other's way and both had to jam on the anchors. He lost a split second before I waved him round with a clear hand signal and lots of eye contact so he knew I'd seen what he was doing now. I've lost some sleep analysing that mistake, I can tell you. I put it 50:50, honestly. His intentions were unclear and he rushed the situation too, changed his mind at the last second, and I didn't catch on as I was looking for where I could go. Ultimately, I failed to stop dead like an idiot, and stopping is the default action I suppose.. So, 50:50. Maybe.
I'm totally rambling. What was I talking about?
Oh yeah, what happens after IAM? Very good question. Lots of mistakes, basically. How many, and how fundamental they will be is entirely up to you.
One thing is for sure, the test is just the beginning! You will either slip back into your old ways, or you will have embraced a whole new way of looking at driving, and you will seek further teachings and practice practice practice for the rest of your life. I've seen people do both. And it's nothing to do with how much you like cars. I've seen petrolheads who learned very little, and I've seen a retired lady in Honda Jazz who really "got it".
The IAM course doesn't make you the perfect driver for the rest of your life. Far from it. The standard is quite low compared to what is ultimately achievable. Imagine going out with somebody who just passed their L-plate test. They'd be able to drive, but you'd spot the inexperience immediately. That's how advanced drivers with many years of practice under their belts will feel about your driving the day you pass your IAM test. You will have skills, but your lack of experience will be blindingly obvious.
But unlike the L-plate skills, which you have to use every time you get in a car, some of the advanced skills you learn can be turned on and off. It's up to you to decide how much effort you put in for the rest of your driving days to keep them turned on. Without standards slipping, getting rusty, etc. And you will decide which skills are important to you. I personally don't do as many shoulder checks as you might require for a test because I now only look when something could be there, where the test requires you to look anyway, and I overlap brakes and gears more than I really should. Shocking, I know, but other things are non-negotiable. e.g. I could never drive across a pedestrian crossing without planning to stop until I know nobody is stepping out. You'll see what I mean. Some things are non-negotiable. Some things are tools you can pull out of the toolbox when required. We're not robots. The system is quite robotic. I don't think robots who've passed an advanced robot test are much safer than robots who haven't. You gotta think for yourself.
So, you decide what you want out of the course, and that's what you'll get out of it. You will have learned some tools to keep you safe. You decide if you want to learn more, or forget how to use them and just wear the badge, or develop your own, or whatever.
It's 15 years since I passed my test, and I've only had one observed drive since, unofficially. But I've never stopped studying by myself. I don't need an observer sat next to me (I've been an observer myself) to tell me if I've screwed up. I do lots of things wrong. Some intentional, some not.
Don't assume that everyone with an IAM badge drives like they're on a test all the time forever more. Anyone who pretends they do is fibbing, or a robot, or a very boring person to have a pint with. I have a few different identifiable driving styles these days, and flip between them depending on the mood.
Roughly, they are:
1) By the book. About 5% of the time, just to prove I still can. Or if I'm doing a demo drive, which is rare these days. Usually I make mistakes. I wouldn't get a First/Gold these days without a solid week of practice. I certainly wouldn't be allowed back as an observer without a refresher.
2) "The President's Limo Driver". As smooth as I can, no spilling the First Lady's G&T, but a total disregard for NSL. Try to roll up to every junction ready to go, as little use of the brakes as possible, use the full width of every road, every corner should be one smooth turn in and one smooth turn out under power. That sort of thing. Wouldn't pass any test like this, but it's fun.
3) Sunday blast. Focus on hazards and camera vans, always in a flexible gear for overtakes, to hell with economy, 100% brain power on stopping distances and what-ifs and planning. Basically, as much revvy, BGOL, low-MPG, high-MPH progress-making as possible. Never aggressive towards other drivers. Slow and quiet for half a mile either side of towns. Will only go out solo or with other drivers I trust completely. No newbies. Would not pass an IAM test, Would probably get kicked out the IAM for ever. High probability of points on license if caught, but zero appetite for risk of losing my license, so almost never triple digits on any road. Developing this style is the most satisfying. I need my license, and I value my life. I've had passengers along for the ride, and I've never had one feel uncomfortable yet. I've had compliments. I've had people look at the speedo and ask "how can you go so fast, yet I feel completely safe?". That's what I'm aiming for on road-runs, but you will never learn that on an IAM course. You need to go a lot further by yourself, using all the tools in the box.
4) Asleep at the wheel. I couldn't tell you what the last sign we passed was. There's no commentary going on in my head. I'm tired and I'm just going to work. I wouldn't say it's dangerous (and I'd have a serious talk with myself it it was), but it's a lot more stop-start with less flow. Just to be clear, my idea of asleep at the wheels is probably still a higher standard than anyone who hasn't done any advanced driving. I'll explain why, and this is an important take-away for anyone wondering why to do an IAM course.
Even in my most brain-dead state, my car will always be positioned perfectly on the road. Always. It's automatic. You could set up a dash cam, distract me with conversation for 50 miles and I bet I still position the car very, very well. Even though I'm not thinking about it consciously, imagine how much information I'm taking in to be able to process where the car should be. And that's when you know advanced stuff has sunk in. During the IAM course, most people find that by the time they've thought about the hazard, fitted it into their commentary and adjusted their position in response to it, they're almost past it. There's not time left to think about a plan, and a hazard without a plan is no better than your average driver. So, you can imagine that years of practice at getting as far as seeing the hazard and positioning sub-consiously means that all that's left to do consciously is work out my plan.
That, in a nutshell, has been my aim over the last 15 year. Get as much stuff to become sub-conscious as possible. I want the basics to be F1-driver levels of muscle-memory and instinct, so that the real road-craft is all I'm thinking about. I want all the other cars around me to be like looking at the code in the Matrix. I just know where they're all going and how they'll flow and my physical inputs all just happen, and all I'm focused on is the plans. Expecting the unexpected is very advanced, but it's useless without a plan. There's no point sitting in a pile of crushed metal at the scene of an accident, waiting for the ambulance, and thinking smugly to yourself, "I knew that was about to happen!".
Imagine when you first had your first driving lesson, and it took you 100% of your concentration just to change gear, but 5 years later you don't even think about it, you just do it. The IAM test is a bit like that. You come out of the IAM test with the ability to do new things, but it will takes years and years of practice before they become second nature. And if you don't practice, you just forget them instead and then they'll never become second nature.
So, what happens after the test? That's up to you.
Personally, I own every advanced driving book ever written, I've watched every advanced driving video on youtube (Thank you Reg!) and plenty on DVD and VHS (remember those?). I've done handling course, skid days, trackdays. I practice practice practice. I do commentary drives just for fun.
And I still make loooooads of mistakes. Some obvious, some that non-advanced drivers wouldn't even notice, but I do. I still have accidents too, aparently. I haven't had one for 15 years since I did the course, but then I did this year.
This year I spun and crashed (at very low speed) on a narrow B-road corner. That part of the road was suddenly a skating rink. I went backwards into a stone wall at less than 20mph. I could see the road was wet, and we all know the dangers of a rain shower after a dry spell, but this can only be described as like hitting black ice, but on a warm day in June. The attending police officer explained that I wasn't the first, and that it was the pollen from the field next to us. The wind blew it over, and the recent rain lifted it up. I looked down, and sure enough, yellow rape-seed blowing in the wind. I would never have thought of pollen. The yellow field was not something I had observed, noted and factored into any plan. The rain was, but not the field. Had I thought of it, I would never had assumed it was slippery stuff anyway. Who would unless you'd been taught that or discovered for yourself the hard way! Honestly, you can skate your foot over it like ice. I'll bet Reg knew that, but it was new to me. Learning, learning, learning.
Just 2 days ago, I was stuck in a queue of traffic. I hung back and positioned my car to the nearside to make room for oncoming vehicles, because there was a parked lorry on the opposite side of the road blocking that side and anything oncoming needed room to go round it. I put my handbrake on, selected neutral, BUT kept my brake lights on to show I wasn't parked. Perfect. Planned. Advanced. Smug. And STILL, two cars arrived behind me and drove straight round me and up to the car ahead, skipping the queue, not realising why I was hanging back. Lesson: I shouldn't have been positioned towards the nearside. I looked stopped to them. I got quietly angry at their rudeness, then realised I just learned something about that situation. Next time, hang back but position assertively. Learning all the time. Tiny details.
Two weeks ago, I blocked a police car on blues. First time I've ever failed to get out the way efficiently in my life. We both tried to do the same thing to get out of each other's way and both had to jam on the anchors. He lost a split second before I waved him round with a clear hand signal and lots of eye contact so he knew I'd seen what he was doing now. I've lost some sleep analysing that mistake, I can tell you. I put it 50:50, honestly. His intentions were unclear and he rushed the situation too, changed his mind at the last second, and I didn't catch on as I was looking for where I could go. Ultimately, I failed to stop dead like an idiot, and stopping is the default action I suppose.. So, 50:50. Maybe.
I'm totally rambling. What was I talking about?
Oh yeah, what happens after IAM? Very good question. Lots of mistakes, basically. How many, and how fundamental they will be is entirely up to you.
Edited by TartanPaint on Thursday 5th October 10:35
TartanPaint said:
Good question. I'm trying to think about what I've done since I passed 15 years ago.
Personally, I own every advanced driving book ever written, I've watched every advanced driving video on youtube (Thank you Reg!) and plenty on DVD and VHS (remember those?). I've done handling course, skid days, trackdays. I practice practice practice. I do commentary drives just for fun.
Oh yeah, what happens after IAM? Very good question. Lots of mistakes, basically. How many, and how fundamental they will be is entirely up to you.
Hello TartanPaint: Personally, I own every advanced driving book ever written, I've watched every advanced driving video on youtube (Thank you Reg!) and plenty on DVD and VHS (remember those?). I've done handling course, skid days, trackdays. I practice practice practice. I do commentary drives just for fun.
Oh yeah, what happens after IAM? Very good question. Lots of mistakes, basically. How many, and how fundamental they will be is entirely up to you.
Edited by TartanPaint on Thursday 5th October 10:35
I've been collecting for years - most recent is Steering Wheel Papers (1932). Earl of Cottenham suggest one reads everything they can on driving - in 1932!
I have some duplicates (Roadcrafts are different editions) - have you got anything not on this list?
ID Title Author Publisher Place of Publication
00001 Roadcraft MPDS HMSO United Kingdom
00002 Roadcraft MPDS HMSO United Kingdom
00003 Roadcraft MPDS HMSO United Kingdom
00004 Motor Cycle Roadcraft MPDS HMSO United Kingdom
00005 Roadcraft MPDS HMSO United Kingdom
00006 Roadcraft MPDS HMSO United Kingdom
00007 Roadcraft Home Office HMSO United Kingdom
00008 Roadcraft Home Office HMSO United Kingdom
00009 Motor Cycle Roadcraft Home Office HMSO United Kingdom
00010 Roadcraft Police Foundation Stationery Office United Kingdom
00011 Roadcraft Police Foundation Stationery Office United Kingdom
00012 Roadcraft Police Foundation Stationery Office United Kingdom
00013 Roadcraft Police Foundation Stationery Office United Kingdom
00014 Motor Cycle Roadcraft Police Foundation Stationery Office United Kingdom
00015 Fleetcraft Police Foundation Stationery Office United Kingdom
00016 Fleetcraft Police Foundation Stationery Office United Kingdom
00017 Fleetcraft Police Foundation Stationery Office United Kingdom
00018 Towing Roadcraft Police Foundation Stationery Office United Kingdom
00019 Human Aspects of Police Driving Gordon Sharp Scottish Police College United Kingdom
00020 Human Aspects of Police Driving Gordon Sharp Scottish Police College United Kingdom
00021 Manual of Police Driving Instruction Home Office HMSO United Kingdom
00022 Drivers Handbook DTAG Class Publishing United Kingdom
00023 How to become an Emergency Response Driver Bill Lavender How2Become United Kingdom
00024 Tactical Police Driving Richard H. Turner NAPD USA
00025 Tactical Police Driving Richard H. Turner NAPD USA
00026 Emergency and High Speed Driving Techniques John M. Clark Gulf USA
00027 Emergency and High Speed Driving Techniques John M. Clark Gulf USA
00028 Driving Techniques Anthony Scotti Monument USA
00029 Accident Avoidance and Skid Control Richard H. Turner and David T. Shelton NAPD USA
00030 Police and Pursuit Driving Bob Bondurant MBI USA
00031 Expert Driving the Police Way John Miles Peter Davies United Kingdom
00032 High Performance Driving - For You Tom Wisdom Odhams United Kingdom
00033 High Performance Driving - For You Tom Wisdom Odhams United Kingdom
00034 High Performance Driving - For You Tom Wisdom Odhams United Kingdom
00035 Porsche Driving Book John Lyon Porsche cars United Kingdom
00036 Porsche Driving Book John Lyon Porsche cars United Kingdom
00037 Advanced Driving John Lyon Haynes United Kingdom
00038 Advanced Driving John Lyon Haynes United Kingdom
00039 Putting my foot down Jane Stewart-Smith New Horizon United Kingdom
00040 Good Driving - the BSM Way Tom Wisdom Odhams United Kingdom
00041 Pass Your Driving Test BSM Virgin United Kingdom
00042 Pass Your Driving Theory Test BSM Virgin United Kingdom
00043 Driving Theory Test Questions BSM Virgin United Kingdom
00044 Practice Sessions BSM Virgin United Kingdom
00045 Advanced Driving Gordon Cole Ian Allan United Kingdom
00046 Safer Motorway Driving Gordon Cole Ian Allan United Kingdom
00047 Take your car abroad Gordon Cole Ian Allan United Kingdom
00048 Drive and Survive Gordon Cole Kogan United Kingdom
00049 Advanced Driving with Graham Hill Graham Hill Stanley Paul United Kingdom
00050 Driving Skills Manual AA AA United Kingdom
00051 Practical Test Linda Hatswell AA United Kingdom
00052 Advanced Motoring IAM Kogan United Kingdom
00053 Advanced Motorcycling IAM Kogan United Kingdom
00054 The Advanced Drivers Handbook Nigel and Margaret Stacey Kogan United Kingdom
00055 Very Advanced Driving A Tom Topper Right Way United Kingdom
00056 Expert Driving the Police Way John Miles Sphere United Kingdom
00057 Expert Driving Paul Ripley Right Way United Kingdom
00058 The Good Driving Guide Courtney Edwards Woodhead-Faulkner United Kingdom
00059 AA Book of Driving Marcus Jacobson AA United Kingdom
00060 The SAS Driver's Survival Handbook John 'Lofty' Wiseman Harper Collins United Kingdom
00061 Drivecraft Geoffrey Goodwin Barrie & Rockliff United Kingdom
00062 How To Drive Ben Collins Pan Macmillan United Kingdom
00063 Jackie Stewart's Principles of Performance Driving Jackie Stewart Hazleton Printing United Kingdom
00064 The Skilful Driver J S Blair Temple Press United Kingdom
00065 Car Driving as an Art S C H Davis Iliffe United Kingdom
00066 Advanced and Performance Driving Reg Local Reg Local United Kingdom
00067 How Not to Crash Reg Local Reg Local United Kingdom
00068 How to be an Expert Driver Jane Gregory AA United Kingdom
00069 Are you a skilful Driver? Norman Sullivan Letts United Kingdom
00070 How to Drive Safely John Eldred Howard Penguin United Kingdom
00071 The Art and Technique of Driving Pat Moss Erik Carlsson Heinemann United Kingdom
00072 Very Advanced Driving A Tom Topper Paperfronts United Kingdom
00073 How to Drive Ben Collins Pan Macmillan United Kingdom
00074 Better Driving Pat Kennett Village United Kingdom
00075 Superdriver John Whitmore Motorbooks United Kingdom
00076 High Speed Driving Walter Honegger Speed and Sports Switzerland
00077 Road Sense Doug Holland Sigma United Kingdom
00078 How to be an Advanced Driver IAM Butler & Tanner United Kingdom
00079 Porsche Driving Book John Lyon Porsche cars United Kingdom
00080 Pass Your Driving Test First Time Mike Gilhespy New Holland United Kingdom
00081 The Driving Manual DSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00082 Driving The Essential Skills DSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00083 The Official DVSA Guide to Driving DVSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00084 The Official DVSA Guide to Driving DVSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00085 The Bus & Coach Driving Manual DSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00086 The Official DVSA Guide to Driving Goods Vehicles DVSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00087 The Official DVSA Guide to Riding DVSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00088 Know your Traffic Signs DETR Stationery Office United Kingdom
00089 The Driving Test DSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00090 The Official DVSA Guide to Better Driving DVSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00091 Driver CPC - Official DVSA Guide DVSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00092 Official Guide to Accompanying Learners DSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00093 The Highway Code DSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00094 The Highway Code DSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00095 The Official Highway Code DSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00096 The Official Highway Code DVSA Stationery Office United Kingdom
00097 Driver Behaviour and Training Lisa Dorn Ashgate United Kingdom
00098 Traffic Tom Vandebilt Penguin USA
00099 Road Safety-How to reduce road accidents T S Skillman The Reappraisal Society UK / USA / Australia
00100 Road Accidents - Prevent or Punish? J J Leeming Quinta United Kingdom
00101 Fatal Error Thomas Munch-Petersen Shortbooks United Kingdom
00102 The Efficient Driver's Handbook Dave Moss RAC United Kingdom
00103 Electric Cars - The Future is Now! Arvid Linde RAC United Kingdom
00104 Porsche High Performance Handbook Vic Elford Motorbooks USA
00105 Performance Handling Don Alexander Motorbooks USA
00106 High Performance Wheel and Tire Handbook Jim Horner Motorbooks USA
00107 The Front-Wheel Driving High-Performance Advantag Jack Doo Motorbooks USA
00108 All-Wheel Drive High Performance Handbook Jay Lamm Motorbooks USA
00109 Racing Drivers Manual Frank Gardner Castrol United Kingdom
00110 Sports Car & Competition Driving Paul Frere Robert Bentley USA
00111 Competition Driving Gerry Marshall Foulsham United Kingdom
00112 Track Day Driver's guide Art Markus MRP United Kingdom
00113 Sports Car & Competition Driving Paul Frere Patrick Stevens United Kingdom
00114 My Life Full of Cars Paul Frere Haynes United Kingdom
00115 The Handbook of High performance driving Deke Houlgate Dodd, Mead and Co. USA
00116 Bob Bondurant on High Performance Driving Bob Bondurant Motorbooks USA
00117 Drive to Survive Curt Rich MBI USA
00118 Getaway Ronald George Eriksen Loompanics USA
00119 Lets Drive Right Maxwell Haley Scott, Foresman & Co USA
00120 Your Driving Eye R E Ford Bobbs Merrill USA
00121 Touring Abroad The BSM Way Tom Wisdom Corgi United Kingdom
00122 Safer Roads Ken Ogden Avebury United Kingdom
00123 Traffic Safety and the Driver Leonard Evans Van Nostrand Reinhold USA
00124 Police Cars Malcolm Bobbitt Sutton United Kingdom
00125 Traffic Law NSW 12th Edition M M G Britts Lawbook Co. Australia
00126 Suspension Design and Performance Donald Oldfield Advanced Drivers' Club Australia
00127 Driver Training Manual W W D Harrison Commonwealth of Australia Australia
00128 Wheel Skill Donald Oldfield Advanced Motroists' Chapter Australia
00129 Car Driver's Manual Robin Jansen The Australian IAM Australia
00130 Driver Training Manual Queensland Road Safety Council Queensland Road Safety Council Australia
00131 Formula 1 for Survival on our Roads Jenny Shuttleworth Jenny Shuttleworth Australia
00132 Australian Driving Manual E A Huxtable AAA Australia
00133 Drive to Survive Frank Gardner Drive / Avis Australia
00134 Drive to Survive Frank Gardner Drive / JPS Australia
00135 Car Craft Dr Clive Halnan Omega Australia
00136 Car Craft Dr Clive Halnan Omega Australia
00137 Steering Wheel Papers Earl of Cottenham Cassell United Kingdom
And still making mistakes after 44 years!
Hi Len,
Ha, I may have been slightly hyperbolic when I said I have every book ever written. I only have (or have read but don't own) about half of those. I don't see of mine missing from your list.
You've just cost me a fortune on Amazon. Thanks a bunch!
EDIT:
Drive to Survive by Lorin Charles isn't on your list. Also, while looking that up I found another on Amazon by the same title by Curt Rich which I haven't seen before, and seems to be evasive techniques mostly.
Ha, I may have been slightly hyperbolic when I said I have every book ever written. I only have (or have read but don't own) about half of those. I don't see of mine missing from your list.
You've just cost me a fortune on Amazon. Thanks a bunch!
EDIT:
Drive to Survive by Lorin Charles isn't on your list. Also, while looking that up I found another on Amazon by the same title by Curt Rich which I haven't seen before, and seems to be evasive techniques mostly.
Edited by TartanPaint on Friday 5th January 10:47
Edited by TartanPaint on Friday 5th January 10:54
TartanPaint said:
Hi Len,
Ha, I may have been slightly hyperbolic when I said I have every book ever written. I only have (or have read but don't own) about half of those. I don't see of mine missing from your list.
You've just cost me a fortune on Amazon. Thanks a bunch!
EDIT:
Drive to Survive by Lorin Charles isn't on your list. Also, while looking that up I found another on Amazon by the same title by Curt Rich which I haven't seen before, and seems to be evasive techniques mostly.
See 00117 - Curt Rich served in US forces in UK and 'picked up' advanced driving whilst in the UK.Ha, I may have been slightly hyperbolic when I said I have every book ever written. I only have (or have read but don't own) about half of those. I don't see of mine missing from your list.
You've just cost me a fortune on Amazon. Thanks a bunch!
EDIT:
Drive to Survive by Lorin Charles isn't on your list. Also, while looking that up I found another on Amazon by the same title by Curt Rich which I haven't seen before, and seems to be evasive techniques mostly.
Edited by TartanPaint on Friday 5th January 10:47
Edited by TartanPaint on Friday 5th January 10:54
Len Woodman said:
I've been collecting for years - most recent is Steering Wheel Papers (1932). Earl of Cottenham suggest one reads everything they can on driving - in 1932!
I have some duplicates (Roadcrafts are different editions) - have you got anything not on this list?
Only other one I can think of at the moment is 'Mind Driving: New Skills for Staying Alive on the Road' which I found quite interesting and got me thinking about a few different things. Published around 2006 IIRC.I have some duplicates (Roadcrafts are different editions) - have you got anything not on this list?
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