Undertaking....
Discussion
Muddle238 said:
Usually I consider it good courtesy to a MLM to give a brief flash of main beams as I approach in L1. Usually I've been in L1 long enough to observe the MLM and have a reasonable view on how likely they are to use L1. A quick flash A) alerts them to my presence approaching on their rear left quarter and B) invites them to move left. If they refuse to move over, I simply carry on. I've invited them across so that I don't pass them on the left, if they refuse then they can't get worked up about it when I subsequently do.
Lane hogging ought to be a £500 on-the-spot fine, and 6 penalty points. That would would perhaps wake a few drivers up.
Or is that penalty more suitable for drivers who pass on the left?Lane hogging ought to be a £500 on-the-spot fine, and 6 penalty points. That would would perhaps wake a few drivers up.
waremark said:
Or is that penalty more suitable for drivers who pass on the left?
Not in the slightest. If you have four lanes of motorway, and some dosy driver sat ambling along in L3, four lanes of motorway traffic behind should not be forced to all squeeze into L4 to pass the moron hogging an overtaking lane. This is what causes congestion, traffic bunching up, increases the risks of accidents, causes phantom braking, which in turn results in more fuel and increased emissions. And wastes a lot of everybody's time. This is why lane hogging ought to be a £500 on the spot fine. Someone carrying on in L1 simply isn't getting involved in the rat race to squeeze around the right hand side, when there is ample space to go left. It's cause and effect, you have to stamp out the cause, not the effect it brings otherwise the original problem still exists.
Here's an undertaking story for you all..........
Dual-carriageway
Vehicle A lane 1 undertaking a line of cars all stuck behind a lane hogger in lane 2
Vehicle B lane 2, no real gap in front
Vehicle A comes up behind a car in lane 1, next to vehicle B, indicates to change lanes and then starts pushing over into lane 2
Vehicle A hits vehicle B just in front of their front passenger wheel, with the side of the rear corner of their vehicle
Vehicle A loses control and spins off into the central reservation completely destroying their own vehicle
Vehicle A blames vehicle B.
Police i'm sure are going to throw the book at vehicle A, but the insurance?
This topic is now on page 6, so apologies if this point has already been mentioned.
On a 3 lane motorway, it is common to see 'lane hoggers' in lane number 2.
When motorways have 4 lanes, the favourite lane for 'hogging' then often becomes lane number 3.
What is the psychology for that?
Perhaps the driver thinks, I have left the outside lane free, or possibly they they don't think at all.
Jon39 said:
This topic is now on page 6, so apologies if this point has already been mentioned.
On a 3 lane motorway, it is common to see 'lane hoggers' in lane number 2.
When motorways have 4 lanes, the favourite lane for 'hogging' then often becomes lane number 3.
What is the psychology for that?
Perhaps the driver thinks, I have left the outside lane free, or possibly they they don't think at all.
JC
lyonspride said:
Here's an undertaking story for you all..........
Dual-carriageway
Vehicle A lane 1 undertaking a line of cars all stuck behind a lane hogger in lane 2
Vehicle B lane 2, no real gap in front
Vehicle A comes up behind a car in lane 1, next to vehicle B, indicates to change lanes and then starts pushing over into lane 2
Vehicle A hits vehicle B just in front of their front passenger wheel, with the side of the rear corner of their vehicle
Vehicle A loses control and spins off into the central reservation completely destroying their own vehicle
Vehicle A blames vehicle B.
Police i'm sure are going to throw the book at vehicle A, but the insurance?
fDual-carriageway
Vehicle A lane 1 undertaking a line of cars all stuck behind a lane hogger in lane 2
Vehicle B lane 2, no real gap in front
Vehicle A comes up behind a car in lane 1, next to vehicle B, indicates to change lanes and then starts pushing over into lane 2
Vehicle A hits vehicle B just in front of their front passenger wheel, with the side of the rear corner of their vehicle
Vehicle A loses control and spins off into the central reservation completely destroying their own vehicle
Vehicle A blames vehicle B.
Police i'm sure are going to throw the book at vehicle A, but the insurance?
kwhittery all around. But Vehicle A is to blame for the collision.I undertake routinely on busy roads like the M40, M25 or M1.
Mainly because 60% of cretins using it have no idea how to use the lanes properly.
The safety thing has merit, I undertook a guy recently who instead of realising his fault, simply moved into lane 3 of a 4 laner.
I simply treat them with contempt as the morons they are and undertake once I have assessed they are so dumb they just think they are in the right lane.
Tougher with lorries, buses etc, but generally it is retards in cars that do this, trucks are only doing it to pre-empt a slip or 3 lane section in my experience
Mainly because 60% of cretins using it have no idea how to use the lanes properly.
The safety thing has merit, I undertook a guy recently who instead of realising his fault, simply moved into lane 3 of a 4 laner.
I simply treat them with contempt as the morons they are and undertake once I have assessed they are so dumb they just think they are in the right lane.
Tougher with lorries, buses etc, but generally it is retards in cars that do this, trucks are only doing it to pre-empt a slip or 3 lane section in my experience
I was going to start a thread on undertaking but it's been done, clearly.
My issue isn't motorway-based tho like the first few pages here. I know in slow moving traffic (as in below speed limit in the right lane) then passing on the left is allowed if not breaking the limit and safe to do so etc.
I just wanted to vent that I feel like I'm living in a plague of dangerous, speeding undertakers who probably don't even understand that what they're doing is utter ****ery. They're doing it on 30 and 40 mph roads every where in my city, I see it every day. No I'm not a slow coach and it's not always me it's being done to.
Bit just wondering if anyone else feels like it's happening far more these days? I generally get wound up at loads of drivers nowadays tho. I've been driving nearly 20 years and I reckon the roads are busier and contain a higher percentage of st drivers in general these days. Loads of people who park like pricks, never check mirrors when setting off or changing lines while in motion, loads who don't know what indicators are, loads of ridiculous tailgating.
Anyway. Enjoy this st post. To all you impatient, dangerous undertaking bds who aren't reading this - fk off.
My issue isn't motorway-based tho like the first few pages here. I know in slow moving traffic (as in below speed limit in the right lane) then passing on the left is allowed if not breaking the limit and safe to do so etc.
I just wanted to vent that I feel like I'm living in a plague of dangerous, speeding undertakers who probably don't even understand that what they're doing is utter ****ery. They're doing it on 30 and 40 mph roads every where in my city, I see it every day. No I'm not a slow coach and it's not always me it's being done to.
Bit just wondering if anyone else feels like it's happening far more these days? I generally get wound up at loads of drivers nowadays tho. I've been driving nearly 20 years and I reckon the roads are busier and contain a higher percentage of s
t drivers in general these days. Loads of people who park like pricks, never check mirrors when setting off or changing lines while in motion, loads who don't know what indicators are, loads of ridiculous tailgating.Anyway. Enjoy this s
t post. To all you impatient, dangerous undertaking bds who aren't reading this - fk off.Sheamus84 said:
I was going to start a thread on undertaking but it's been done, clearly.
My issue isn't motorway-based tho like the first few pages here. I know in slow moving traffic (as in below speed limit in the right lane) then passing on the left is allowed if not breaking the limit and safe to do so etc.
I just wanted to vent that I feel like I'm living in a plague of dangerous, speeding undertakers who probably don't even understand that what they're doing is utter ****ery. They're doing it on 30 and 40 mph roads every where in my city, I see it every day. No I'm not a slow coach and it's not always me it's being done to.
Bit just wondering if anyone else feels like it's happening far more these days? I generally get wound up at loads of drivers nowadays tho. I've been driving nearly 20 years and I reckon the roads are busier and contain a higher percentage of st drivers in general these days. Loads of people who park like pricks, never check mirrors when setting off or changing lines while in motion, loads who don't know what indicators are, loads of ridiculous tailgating.
Anyway. Enjoy this st post. To all you impatient, dangerous undertaking bds who aren't reading this - fk off.
Maybe you should get out of the overtaking lane when you're not overtaking.My issue isn't motorway-based tho like the first few pages here. I know in slow moving traffic (as in below speed limit in the right lane) then passing on the left is allowed if not breaking the limit and safe to do so etc.
I just wanted to vent that I feel like I'm living in a plague of dangerous, speeding undertakers who probably don't even understand that what they're doing is utter ****ery. They're doing it on 30 and 40 mph roads every where in my city, I see it every day. No I'm not a slow coach and it's not always me it's being done to.
Bit just wondering if anyone else feels like it's happening far more these days? I generally get wound up at loads of drivers nowadays tho. I've been driving nearly 20 years and I reckon the roads are busier and contain a higher percentage of s
t drivers in general these days. Loads of people who park like pricks, never check mirrors when setting off or changing lines while in motion, loads who don't know what indicators are, loads of ridiculous tailgating.Anyway. Enjoy this s
t post. To all you impatient, dangerous undertaking bds who aren't reading this - fk off.Super Sonic said:
Sheamus84 said:
I was going to start a thread on undertaking but it's been done, clearly.
My issue isn't motorway-based tho like the first few pages here. I know in slow moving traffic (as in below speed limit in the right lane) then passing on the left is allowed if not breaking the limit and safe to do so etc.
I just wanted to vent that I feel like I'm living in a plague of dangerous, speeding undertakers who probably don't even understand that what they're doing is utter ****ery. They're doing it on 30 and 40 mph roads every where in my city, I see it every day. No I'm not a slow coach and it's not always me it's being done to.
Bit just wondering if anyone else feels like it's happening far more these days? I generally get wound up at loads of drivers nowadays tho. I've been driving nearly 20 years and I reckon the roads are busier and contain a higher percentage of st drivers in general these days. Loads of people who park like pricks, never check mirrors when setting off or changing lines while in motion, loads who don't know what indicators are, loads of ridiculous tailgating.
Anyway. Enjoy this st post. To all you impatient, dangerous undertaking bds who aren't reading this - fk off.
Maybe you should get out of the overtaking lane when you're not overtaking.My issue isn't motorway-based tho like the first few pages here. I know in slow moving traffic (as in below speed limit in the right lane) then passing on the left is allowed if not breaking the limit and safe to do so etc.
I just wanted to vent that I feel like I'm living in a plague of dangerous, speeding undertakers who probably don't even understand that what they're doing is utter ****ery. They're doing it on 30 and 40 mph roads every where in my city, I see it every day. No I'm not a slow coach and it's not always me it's being done to.
Bit just wondering if anyone else feels like it's happening far more these days? I generally get wound up at loads of drivers nowadays tho. I've been driving nearly 20 years and I reckon the roads are busier and contain a higher percentage of s
t drivers in general these days. Loads of people who park like pricks, never check mirrors when setting off or changing lines while in motion, loads who don't know what indicators are, loads of ridiculous tailgating.Anyway. Enjoy this s
t post. To all you impatient, dangerous undertaking bds who aren't reading this - fk off.k out of my phone. Nice one.Sheamus84 said:
Super Sonic said:
Sheamus84 said:
I was going to start a thread on undertaking but it's been done, clearly.
My issue isn't motorway-based tho like the first few pages here. I know in slow moving traffic (as in below speed limit in the right lane) then passing on the left is allowed if not breaking the limit and safe to do so etc.
I just wanted to vent that I feel like I'm living in a plague of dangerous, speeding undertakers who probably don't even understand that what they're doing is utter ****ery. They're doing it on 30 and 40 mph roads every where in my city, I see it every day. No I'm not a slow coach and it's not always me it's being done to.
Bit just wondering if anyone else feels like it's happening far more these days? I generally get wound up at loads of drivers nowadays tho. I've been driving nearly 20 years and I reckon the roads are busier and contain a higher percentage of st drivers in general these days. Loads of people who park like pricks, never check mirrors when setting off or changing lines while in motion, loads who don't know what indicators are, loads of ridiculous tailgating.
Anyway. Enjoy this st post. To all you impatient, dangerous undertaking bds who aren't reading this - fk off.
Maybe you should get out of the overtaking lane when you're not overtaking.My issue isn't motorway-based tho like the first few pages here. I know in slow moving traffic (as in below speed limit in the right lane) then passing on the left is allowed if not breaking the limit and safe to do so etc.
I just wanted to vent that I feel like I'm living in a plague of dangerous, speeding undertakers who probably don't even understand that what they're doing is utter ****ery. They're doing it on 30 and 40 mph roads every where in my city, I see it every day. No I'm not a slow coach and it's not always me it's being done to.
Bit just wondering if anyone else feels like it's happening far more these days? I generally get wound up at loads of drivers nowadays tho. I've been driving nearly 20 years and I reckon the roads are busier and contain a higher percentage of s
t drivers in general these days. Loads of people who park like pricks, never check mirrors when setting off or changing lines while in motion, loads who don't know what indicators are, loads of ridiculous tailgating.Anyway. Enjoy this s
t post. To all you impatient, dangerous undertaking bds who aren't reading this - fk off.k out of my phone. Nice one.Oliver Hardy said:
not read all the posts on here but it bugs me when people go straight into the second lane of a duel carriage way because they might want to turn off two, three or five miles further on, unless there are cues I guess.
‘That’s another fine spelling mess you’ve got me into, Stanley!Pica-Pica said:
Oliver Hardy said:
not read all the posts on here but it bugs me when people go straight into the second lane of a duel carriage way because they might want to turn off two, three or five miles further on, unless there are cues I guess.
‘That’s another fine spelling mess you’ve got me into, Stanley!Please forgive my ignorance but, Is it legal if you are in a queue on dual carriageway to change lanes at every opportunity to try and bunny hop further up the queue ? I spent 20 minutes watching a Prick in a Brand New Defender doing this last week on the A30. Only for the lane he ended up in slowed drastically due to broken down vehicle and I eventually overtook him as the other drivers refused to let him out .
glennjamin said:
Please forgive my ignorance but, Is it legal if you are in a queue on dual carriageway to change lanes at every opportunity to try and bunny hop further up the queue ? I spent 20 minutes watching a Prick in a Brand New Defender doing this last week on the A30. Only for the lane he ended up in slowed drastically due to broken down vehicle and I eventually overtook him as the other drivers refused to let him out .
It's contrary to the Highway code so could be careless/inconsiderate but there isn't a specific prevention of bunny hopping act. Sheamus84 said:
I was going to start a thread on undertaking but it's been done, clearly.
My issue isn't motorway-based tho like the first few pages here. I know in slow moving traffic (as in below speed limit in the right lane) then passing on the left is allowed if not breaking the limit and safe to do so etc.
I just wanted to vent that I feel like I'm living in a plague of dangerous, speeding undertakers who probably don't even understand that what they're doing is utter ****ery. They're doing it on 30 and 40 mph roads every where in my city, I see it every day. No I'm not a slow coach and it's not always me it's being done to.
Bit just wondering if anyone else feels like it's happening far more these days? I generally get wound up at loads of drivers nowadays tho. I've been driving nearly 20 years and I reckon the roads are busier and contain a higher percentage of st drivers in general these days. Loads of people who park like pricks, never check mirrors when setting off or changing lines while in motion, loads who don't know what indicators are, loads of ridiculous tailgating.
Anyway. Enjoy this st post. To all you impatient, dangerous undertaking bds who aren't reading this - fk off.
if someone is passing you on the inside doing the speed limit or less and you are not stationary then you are probably in the wrong lane to begin with. My issue isn't motorway-based tho like the first few pages here. I know in slow moving traffic (as in below speed limit in the right lane) then passing on the left is allowed if not breaking the limit and safe to do so etc.
I just wanted to vent that I feel like I'm living in a plague of dangerous, speeding undertakers who probably don't even understand that what they're doing is utter ****ery. They're doing it on 30 and 40 mph roads every where in my city, I see it every day. No I'm not a slow coach and it's not always me it's being done to.
Bit just wondering if anyone else feels like it's happening far more these days? I generally get wound up at loads of drivers nowadays tho. I've been driving nearly 20 years and I reckon the roads are busier and contain a higher percentage of s
t drivers in general these days. Loads of people who park like pricks, never check mirrors when setting off or changing lines while in motion, loads who don't know what indicators are, loads of ridiculous tailgating.Anyway. Enjoy this s
t post. To all you impatient, dangerous undertaking bds who aren't reading this - fk off.I drove up the M6/M74 last week, one sunny weekday afternoon, very very light traffic. I was baffled by the number of people quite happily driving up the middle lane at about 65-70, not a thing in front, beside, behind or otherwise around them. Why???? It wasn't one or two, but dozens of them.
I spent much of the time switching from lane 1 to lane 3 to overtake them but most appeared blissfully ignorant. Lane discipline in this country is terrible and all I'm sure would have classed themselves and good, experienced and safe drivers.
It's no wonder undertaking goes on.
I spent much of the time switching from lane 1 to lane 3 to overtake them but most appeared blissfully ignorant. Lane discipline in this country is terrible and all I'm sure would have classed themselves and good, experienced and safe drivers.
It's no wonder undertaking goes on.
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