Reg Local thread in General Gassing

Reg Local thread in General Gassing

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waremark

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3,243 posts

214 months

Saturday 5th May 2018
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rallycross

12,824 posts

238 months

Saturday 5th May 2018
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waremark said:
what will these IAM clowns use to practice shuffle steering once all the Rover 75's end up in the scrap yard?

SVS

3,824 posts

272 months

Saturday 5th May 2018
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Craig, I see you’ve done autocross and I might even agree with you about steering. However, don’t throw the baby out with the bath water smile Steering is a fairly minor part of advanced training, compared to more important things like observation and forward planning.

Many of us with track experience have still got a lot out of advanced training, particularly from someone like Reg wink

johnao

669 posts

244 months

Saturday 5th May 2018
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rallycross said:
waremark said:
what will these IAM clowns use to practice shuffle steering once all the Rover 75's end up in the scrap yard?
Just to bring you fully up to date, IAM coaching has focused exclusively on outcomes, not inputs (eg. pull-push steering, et al), for the last three years, at least. Which, incidentally, coincided with the scrapping of the very last Rover 75. laughlaughlaugh

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Saturday 5th May 2018
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rallycross said:
what will these IAM clowns use to practice shuffle steering once all the Rover 75's end up in the scrap yard?
Why this extraordinary hatred of the concept of trying to improve your driving on an enthusiasts site?

In Arduis Fouette

97 posts

72 months

Saturday 5th May 2018
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Dr Jekyll said:
Why this extraordinary hatred of the concept of trying to improve your driving on an enthusiasts site?
because, quite simply, the average PHer appears to have great difficulty in taking and applying feedback on things especially their steering wheel operator status

johnao

669 posts

244 months

Saturday 5th May 2018
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Dr Jekyll said:
rallycross said:
what will these IAM clowns use to practice shuffle steering once all the Rover 75's end up in the scrap yard?
Why this extraordinary hatred of the concept of trying to improve your driving on an enthusiasts site?
Dr Jekyll, please don't be too harsh with him, it's not really his fault; many people don't actually realise the extent of their own ignorance. Unfortunately, he appears to have very little insight into the reality of current IAM and RoSPA coaching, at least not from the above noted quote.

I'm sure he's probably extremely good at rallycrossing, or whatever it is that he does; but not so good at understanding, or empathising with, drivers who wish to improve their roadcraft. Ah well, c'est la vie!

PhilAsia

3,853 posts

76 months

Thursday 7th June 2018
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johnao said:
Dr Jekyll, please don't be too harsh with him, it's not really his fault; many people don't actually realise the extent of their own ignorance. Unfortunately, he appears to have very little insight into the reality of current IAM and RoSPA coaching, at least not from the above noted quote.

I'm sure he's probably extremely good at rallycrossing, or whatever it is that he does; but not so good at understanding, or empathising with, drivers who wish to improve their roadcraft. Ah well, c'est la vie!
Sounds more "reallycross" than "rallycross" n'est-ce pas?

Graveworm

8,500 posts

72 months

Sunday 10th June 2018
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rallycross said:
what will these IAM clowns use to practice shuffle steering once all the Rover 75's end up in the scrap yard?
It's not just the IAM but on the road in a car with airbags, overall, it's almost certainly the best method if you only use one.

Edited by Graveworm on Sunday 10th June 10:14

johnao

669 posts

244 months

Monday 11th June 2018
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Graveworm said:
rallycross said:
what will these IAM clowns use to practice shuffle steering once all the Rover 75's end up in the scrap yard?
It's not just the IAM but on the road in a car with airbags, overall, it's almost certainly the best method if you only use one.

Edited by Graveworm on Sunday 10th June 10:14
Agreed, if you use just one steering method then Pull-Push is the best one to use for all situations. In the old days, ie. pre-2016, the IAM [and its examiners] were of the opinion that there were but two steering techniques, viz. the "Pull-Push" and "Dangerously Flailing Your Arms All Over The Place and Getting Your Arms Blown-off when the Airbag Explodes" techniques.

However, realisation dawned on the IAM in 2016 that there were other steering techniques, of which they were completely unaware and were unsurprisingly astonished to discover the existence thereof, that are perfectly safe and acceptable and which can be used in conjunction with each other and with Pull-Push; and that the choice of steering technique is not nearly as cut and dried as they'd previously thought. Indeed, by selecting an appropriate technique, dependent upon speed and deflection of steering required, the drive can be much more fluid and smoother, and just as safe, as when using Pull-Push exclusively.

Some of the techniques now officially permitted on IAM test:

Pull-Push
Big-Bite Pull-Push
Fixed Grip
Predictive Fixed Grip
Rotational

One of the techniques still not officially permitted on IAM test:

The "Dangerously Flailing Your Arms All Over The Place and Getting Your Arms Blown-off when the Airbag Explodes" technique.



Edited by johnao on Monday 11th June 12:41