Are brake lights at junctions the new front fog lights?
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Boosted LS1 said:
The sun isn't set at eye level in front of you, unlike an array of brake light. I like to look forwards and keep an eye in front of me to observe what might be happening.
Obviously this matter can't be resolved if manufacturers make it complicated for simple folks to hit 'the park' button or insist on making brake lights brighter then they need to be. Manufacturers seem to be a bit dim on occasions.
Lets debate it in a month or so :-)
Personally I find it far more frustrating when lights change and those people who go through an incredibly slow process of selecting gear, releasing the handbrake and finally pulling away, by which time the lights have changed before I can get through. Meanwhile those holding their autos on the brake have long gone down the road!Obviously this matter can't be resolved if manufacturers make it complicated for simple folks to hit 'the park' button or insist on making brake lights brighter then they need to be. Manufacturers seem to be a bit dim on occasions.
Lets debate it in a month or so :-)
Boosted LS1 said:
^ That's tosh. I can flick my handbrake on or off in a second. It's the retards in front who can't decide whether to drive or hold back or sort out those silly buttons to press..
I didn't say you were on of those people but that certainly irritates me far more than brake lights.Boosted LS1 said:
These days it seems that virtually nobody uses a handbrake. So the delays are caused by folks who can't sort out their electronic driver aids.
If things had remained mechanical and simple this debate would never have happened. That's technology for you :-)
I think the technology to blame are the phones people are looking whilst the lights change, the car manages to start the engine, engage gear and release the handbrake simply by pressing the go pedal in many cars now!If things had remained mechanical and simple this debate would never have happened. That's technology for you :-)
Tony33 said:
ersonally I find it far more frustrating when lights change and those people who go through an incredibly slow process of selecting gear, releasing the handbrake and finally pulling away, by which time the lights have changed before I can get through. Meanwhile those holding their autos on the brake have long gone down the road!
Yep this
DoubleD said:
Tony33 said:
ersonally I find it far more frustrating when lights change and those people who go through an incredibly slow process of selecting gear, releasing the handbrake and finally pulling away, by which time the lights have changed before I can get through. Meanwhile those holding their autos on the brake have long gone down the road!
Yep thisShame some people can't eh?
Liquid Knight said:
DoubleD said:
Tony33 said:
ersonally I find it far more frustrating when lights change and those people who go through an incredibly slow process of selecting gear, releasing the handbrake and finally pulling away, by which time the lights have changed before I can get through. Meanwhile those holding their autos on the brake have long gone down the road!
Yep thisShame some people can't eh?
DoubleD said:
Liquid Knight said:
DoubleD said:
Tony33 said:
ersonally I find it far more frustrating when lights change and those people who go through an incredibly slow process of selecting gear, releasing the handbrake and finally pulling away, by which time the lights have changed before I can get through. Meanwhile those holding their autos on the brake have long gone down the road!
Yep thisShame some people can't eh?
Traffic could still be in the road, it could be a box junction, there could be an emergency service vehicle on the way that person in front spotted but the one behind didn't because they were so distracted trying to anticipate the lights...etc....etc...
What's the rush?
Why the hurry?
There's a vehicle in front of you. You are going ten or fifteen feet less than they are.
I do find it amusing when someone takes off from a set of lights like they have used launch control only to have to stop a few yards later.
As I already pointed out the amber phase of traffic lights is to get the car either ready to stop or ready to go.
I have seen a lot of modern cars with brake lights on jump the line at amber. They're in such a hurry to get nowhere they can't even wait for the legal time to go.
I appreciate your baiting comments and you've done a good job summing up exactly what is wrong with both modern cars and "entitled" drivers in one.
Liquid Knight said:
DoubleD said:
Liquid Knight said:
DoubleD said:
Tony33 said:
ersonally I find it far more frustrating when lights change and those people who go through an incredibly slow process of selecting gear, releasing the handbrake and finally pulling away, by which time the lights have changed before I can get through. Meanwhile those holding their autos on the brake have long gone down the road!
Yep thisShame some people can't eh?
Traffic could still be in the road, it could be a box junction, there could be an emergency service vehicle on the way that person in front spotted but the one behind didn't because they were so distracted trying to anticipate the lights...etc....etc...
What's the rush?
Why the hurry?
There's a vehicle in front of you. You are going ten or fifteen feet less than they are.
I do find it amusing when someone takes off from a set of lights like they have used launch control only to have to stop a few yards later.
As I already pointed out the amber phase of traffic lights is to get the car either ready to stop or ready to go.
I have seen a lot of modern cars with brake lights on jump the line at amber. They're in such a hurry to get nowhere they can't even wait for the legal time to go.
I appreciate your baiting comments and you've done a good job summing up exactly what is wrong with both modern cars and "entitled" drivers in one.
Tony33 said:
Boosted LS1 said:
These days it seems that virtually nobody uses a handbrake. So the delays are caused by folks who can't sort out their electronic driver aids.
If things had remained mechanical and simple this debate would never have happened. That's technology for you :-)
I think the technology to blame are the phones people are looking whilst the lights change, the car manages to start the engine, engage gear and release the handbrake simply by pressing the go pedal in many cars now!If things had remained mechanical and simple this debate would never have happened. That's technology for you :-)
Boosted LS1 said:
The sun isn't set at eye level in front of you, unlike an array of brake light. I like to look forwards and keep an eye in front of me to observe what might be happening.
Obviously this matter can't be resolved if manufacturers make it complicated for simple folks to hit 'the park' button or insist on making brake lights brighter then they need to be. Manufacturers seem to be a bit dim on occasions.
Lets debate it in a month or so :-)
We're talking about stationery cars. In other words, cars going nowhere. It doesn't take any effort to look away and not miss anything.Obviously this matter can't be resolved if manufacturers make it complicated for simple folks to hit 'the park' button or insist on making brake lights brighter then they need to be. Manufacturers seem to be a bit dim on occasions.
Lets debate it in a month or so :-)
And, yes, the setting or rising sun is sometimes at eye level. Shall we ask for a for a design in that too?
Brake lights are bright for safety reasons. Perhaps the manufacturers aren't so dim after all, eh?
Inigo Montoya said:
We're talking about stationery cars. In other words, cars going nowhere.
Brake lights are bright for safety reasons. Perhaps the manufacturers aren't so dim after all, eh?
If they are going nowhere why does the brake need to remain applied? Brake lights are bright for safety reasons. Perhaps the manufacturers aren't so dim after all, eh?
Maybe it's the owners who are dim.
Liquid Knight said:
Just because the lights change it does not mean "Go!".
It's not possible to be more wrong about something. If you are not in gear and ready to do a launch that would impress the space shuttle crew then you are holding everyone up and should be shot on sight. If you haven't started moving within 1 second you will be shouted at, a lot.ETA: Just noticed this topic is now in the advanced driving thread
DoubleD said:
Liquid Knight said:
If they are going nowhere why does the brake need to remain applied?
Maybe it's the owners who are dim.
I guess they would start going somewhere if they took their foot off the brake. Maybe it's the owners who are dim.
How about a cable operated back up braking system so the hydraulic bakes can be depressurised? Operated by hand to reduce the risk cramp or fatigue in the lower leg and foot as well.
Nah that would be a selfish idea making people do things with their hand when they can barely operate a vehicle as it is.
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