Are brake lights at junctions the new front fog lights?
Discussion
Dixy said:
Until there are at least 2 stationary cars behind me I will always keep my foot on the brake peddle to keep my brake lights on even if the park brake is on.
Most modern cars with stopstart technology do irrational things if you apply the park brake and take your foot off the brake peddle.
But aren't lights, traffic jams and other delays a good opportunity to take your feet off the pedals and give them a break, if only briefly?Most modern cars with stopstart technology do irrational things if you apply the park brake and take your foot off the brake peddle.
jamei303 said:
How can you get wound up by the method other people use to engage their brakes while stationary?
Do you get similarly outraged by people using their intermittent windscreen wipers at a frequency you deem to be slightly sub-optimal?
If there are a dozen or so in front of you during a traffic delay, it can be dazzling and one becomes retinised. This word has now entered the motoring vocabulary to describe such a situation. It has been taken up by Radio 4, Sunday Times and motoring magazine.It has become a problem.Do you get similarly outraged by people using their intermittent windscreen wipers at a frequency you deem to be slightly sub-optimal?
We really can't compare intermittant wipers with being blinded by a posse of drivers with a very bright rear light cluster.
dhutch said:
Inigo Montoya said:
Yup, that's fair. I can agree to "mildly annoying". The worst is slow moving nose-to-tail traffic shuffling along at stop-start walking pace. You can't stop concentrating because you have to keep shuffling along, stopping and shuffling some more. And hardly anyone wants to use their handbrakes because you're never stopped for long enough.
But here's the funny thing. If you get annoyed by something you tend to notice it more often than someone who is more laid back. It's called confirmation bias. If you have a "thing" about brake lights or middle lane hogs or bright headlights or whatever you will focus on them more. You'll spend more time looking at them. And that gets us into a vicious circle where a mild annoyance becomes a pet peeve becomes a real hate. The primitive parts of our brains pump out adrenaline and we're into fight or flight mode.
And that's when we get threads like this one. Someone gets really wound up about something that annoys them, but large numbers of us manage to cope with. It's human nature. Rewind time and no doubt our some of ancestors were complaining that mammoth steaks were annoying because those black hairs get caught in your teeth.
Absolutely, all of that!But here's the funny thing. If you get annoyed by something you tend to notice it more often than someone who is more laid back. It's called confirmation bias. If you have a "thing" about brake lights or middle lane hogs or bright headlights or whatever you will focus on them more. You'll spend more time looking at them. And that gets us into a vicious circle where a mild annoyance becomes a pet peeve becomes a real hate. The primitive parts of our brains pump out adrenaline and we're into fight or flight mode.
And that's when we get threads like this one. Someone gets really wound up about something that annoys them, but large numbers of us manage to cope with. It's human nature. Rewind time and no doubt our some of ancestors were complaining that mammoth steaks were annoying because those black hairs get caught in your teeth.
I started noticing it when i was routinely coming in to Liverpool last winter, forgot all about it over summer, and then now I am living here commuting daily its come back all over again. However, while the snap of a police car joining it tickled me it doesn't bother me enough to start a start, just enough to get me reading it a taking part one evening.
At least as its traffic lights there isnt much crawling stop-start its just each lights. So you can half look away till you get some amber in the mixed, handbrake off and your away.
Unless it the steep bit out of the tunnel by chapel street, in which case I am on the foot brake game myself, because bmw handbrakes!
Daniel
Pica-Pica said:
vonhosen said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Why don't you sling an anchor out the back and use 3 systems, by your logic obviously? Using several systems is pointless when each system has it's own application. Handbrakes are for stationary vehicles, foot brakes are designed to slow the vehicle down. It's pretty obvious given the braking capacity of a footbrake what it was designed for.
A question for accuracy if I may.Handbrakes don't exist on a lot of vehicles. Manufacturers now increasingly install (electronic or) Parking brakes instead.
With the definition of parked being what it is (which is not merely stationary), should they only be used when the vehicle is indeed parked & not just stationary?
coyft said:
All the things wrong in the world and you waste your time over brake lights...
We just have to read one of the many threads on PH regarding motoring frailties, it's clear that many posters have concerns / worries they wish to convey about the smallest and ,to some, insignificant points.At least it will be discussed, we hope rationally, on the forum.
'All the things wrong in the world' just doesn't cut it in this context.
Edited by nonsequitur on Monday 26th November 18:43
For those who say that they are not bothered by very bright brake lights....then you must have masterbated...vigorously...often when young, and may probebly continue to do so, because some of us who are not self abusers are effected by inconsiderate people holding their right foot on the brake pedal when there is no need to
I spend some 6-9 hours a day in a car, and it does become irritating after a while more so in the rain and when it is dark
I except some auto's do keep the brake lights on in whatever variation of system they have, but I bet most
1 don't care (fair enough...one would avoid them anyway in any social environment)
2 have not RTFM (read the frigging manual.......therefore don't care)
Putting the hand/parking brake on, selecting neutral, allowing start stop to kick in takes a couple of seconds. It reduces wear on the clutch components, saves you fuel (manual cars....i am not wealthy enough to own an auto) It takes about another second or two to get going again so I don't follow that argument that it holds up traffic......the lady behind me in a big merc (more than likely an auto) was slower moving off than me this morning as she was looking at her phone in her lap....
I have done a little over 132000 miles in 4 years in my Mini (second hand) with 139,000 on clock, with no problems at all with the start stop function/starter motor, so those who say it wears out "stuff" quicker are more than likely talking out of their arse.
Maybe if we all drove with consideration to other road users, maybe everyone would be happier?
I saw a lovely 4 series BMW yesterday in Southampton who had the brightest brake lights i have seen yet....so which car has the brightest, and therefore most annoying brake lights....Bentley have mega ones.....
I spend some 6-9 hours a day in a car, and it does become irritating after a while more so in the rain and when it is dark
I except some auto's do keep the brake lights on in whatever variation of system they have, but I bet most
1 don't care (fair enough...one would avoid them anyway in any social environment)
2 have not RTFM (read the frigging manual.......therefore don't care)
Putting the hand/parking brake on, selecting neutral, allowing start stop to kick in takes a couple of seconds. It reduces wear on the clutch components, saves you fuel (manual cars....i am not wealthy enough to own an auto) It takes about another second or two to get going again so I don't follow that argument that it holds up traffic......the lady behind me in a big merc (more than likely an auto) was slower moving off than me this morning as she was looking at her phone in her lap....
I have done a little over 132000 miles in 4 years in my Mini (second hand) with 139,000 on clock, with no problems at all with the start stop function/starter motor, so those who say it wears out "stuff" quicker are more than likely talking out of their arse.
Maybe if we all drove with consideration to other road users, maybe everyone would be happier?
I saw a lovely 4 series BMW yesterday in Southampton who had the brightest brake lights i have seen yet....so which car has the brightest, and therefore most annoying brake lights....Bentley have mega ones.....
watchnut said:
For those who say that they are not bothered by very bright brake lights....then you must have masterbated...vigorously...often when young, and may probebly continue to do so, because some of us who are not self abusers are effected by inconsiderate people holding their right foot on the brake pedal when there is no need to
I spend some 6-9 hours a day in a car, and it does become irritating after a while more so in the rain and when it is dark
I except some auto's do keep the brake lights on in whatever variation of system they have, but I bet most
1 don't care (fair enough...one would avoid them anyway in any social environment)
2 have not RTFM (read the frigging manual.......therefore don't care)
Putting the hand/parking brake on, selecting neutral, allowing start stop to kick in takes a couple of seconds. It reduces wear on the clutch components, saves you fuel (manual cars....i am not wealthy enough to own an auto) It takes about another second or two to get going again so I don't follow that argument that it holds up traffic......the lady behind me in a big merc (more than likely an auto) was slower moving off than me this morning as she was looking at her phone in her lap....
I have done a little over 132000 miles in 4 years in my Mini (second hand) with 139,000 on clock, with no problems at all with the start stop function/starter motor, so those who say it wears out "stuff" quicker are more than likely talking out of their arse.
Maybe if we all drove with consideration to other road users, maybe everyone would be happier?
I saw a lovely 4 series BMW yesterday in Southampton who had the brightest brake lights i have seen yet....so which car has the brightest, and therefore most annoying brake lights....Bentley have mega ones.....
I notice your post is almost entirely devoted not to how the brightness affects your eyes, but to how annoyed you are at the method by which other people choose to apply their brakes. I would guess that if all handbrakes caused the brake lights to be turned on, you would never have been annoyed at all.I spend some 6-9 hours a day in a car, and it does become irritating after a while more so in the rain and when it is dark
I except some auto's do keep the brake lights on in whatever variation of system they have, but I bet most
1 don't care (fair enough...one would avoid them anyway in any social environment)
2 have not RTFM (read the frigging manual.......therefore don't care)
Putting the hand/parking brake on, selecting neutral, allowing start stop to kick in takes a couple of seconds. It reduces wear on the clutch components, saves you fuel (manual cars....i am not wealthy enough to own an auto) It takes about another second or two to get going again so I don't follow that argument that it holds up traffic......the lady behind me in a big merc (more than likely an auto) was slower moving off than me this morning as she was looking at her phone in her lap....
I have done a little over 132000 miles in 4 years in my Mini (second hand) with 139,000 on clock, with no problems at all with the start stop function/starter motor, so those who say it wears out "stuff" quicker are more than likely talking out of their arse.
Maybe if we all drove with consideration to other road users, maybe everyone would be happier?
I saw a lovely 4 series BMW yesterday in Southampton who had the brightest brake lights i have seen yet....so which car has the brightest, and therefore most annoying brake lights....Bentley have mega ones.....
watchnut said:
I except some auto's do keep the brake lights on in whatever variation of system they have, but I bet most
1 don't care (fair enough...one would avoid them anyway in any social environment)
2 have not RTFM (read the frigging manual.......therefore don't care)
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I think option 3 blissfully unaware the brake lights are on is most likely in modern autos. The manuals certainly don’t mention it they just tell you the parking brake is applied. 1 don't care (fair enough...one would avoid them anyway in any social environment)
2 have not RTFM (read the frigging manual.......therefore don't care)
.
This is not in “expensive” autos but basic Skoda & Seat 1.0 DSGs. Come to a stop, engine goes off, foot on brake. Press the auto hold button and take foot off (or keep auto hold permanently on). Parking brake is applied, car in neutral, engine off, foot off pedals, ticks all the boxes for economy, environment and driving test etiquette. The driver probably wouldn’t have a clue the brake lights are on. It isn’t common knowledge as displayed by this thread amongst motoring enthusiasts!
Liquid Knight said:
Tony33 said:
think option 3 blissfully unaware the brake lights are on is most likely in modern autos.
So as well as failing to use a handbrake they fail to use their mirrors. Failure leading to another failing.
I saw some intense brake lights today whilst queuing but I couldn't bring myself to give a s
t.
I tried very hard to set my face and retinas on fire under the deluge of red photons. Then I remembered that out of all the EM spectrum red photons are perhaps the lamest. Perhaps some kind of strong pharmaceuticals are necessary to get the proper 'futile aggro' effect.
Jesus. If you are afflicted with this tragic mental illness and unfortunately eye/brain/neck paralysed such that you can't control where you look, I'd rather you simply gave up driving. Being able to look in different directions is fundamental to the operation of vehicles.
Also FFS watch out for those animated Audi indicators! if you're not careful you'll get yourself hypnotised into a dribbling moron.
t.I tried very hard to set my face and retinas on fire under the deluge of red photons. Then I remembered that out of all the EM spectrum red photons are perhaps the lamest. Perhaps some kind of strong pharmaceuticals are necessary to get the proper 'futile aggro' effect.
Jesus. If you are afflicted with this tragic mental illness and unfortunately eye/brain/neck paralysed such that you can't control where you look, I'd rather you simply gave up driving. Being able to look in different directions is fundamental to the operation of vehicles.
Also FFS watch out for those animated Audi indicators! if you're not careful you'll get yourself hypnotised into a dribbling moron.
Catatafish said:
I saw some intense brake lights today whilst queuing but I couldn't bring myself to give a st.
I tried very hard to set my face and retinas on fire under the deluge of red photons. Then I remembered that out of all the EM spectrum red photons are perhaps the lamest. Perhaps some kind of strong pharmaceuticals are necessary to get the proper 'futile aggro' effect.
Jesus. If you are afflicted with this tragic mental illness and unfortunately eye/brain/neck paralysed such that you can't control where you look, I'd rather you simply gave up driving. Being able to look in different directions is fundamental to the operation of vehicles.
Also FFS watch out for those animated Audi indicators! if you're not careful you'll get yourself hypnotised into a dribbling moron.
So page eight and some people still don't understand...t.I tried very hard to set my face and retinas on fire under the deluge of red photons. Then I remembered that out of all the EM spectrum red photons are perhaps the lamest. Perhaps some kind of strong pharmaceuticals are necessary to get the proper 'futile aggro' effect.
Jesus. If you are afflicted with this tragic mental illness and unfortunately eye/brain/neck paralysed such that you can't control where you look, I'd rather you simply gave up driving. Being able to look in different directions is fundamental to the operation of vehicles.
Also FFS watch out for those animated Audi indicators! if you're not careful you'll get yourself hypnotised into a dribbling moron.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT BRAKE LIGHTS
...it's about failing to control the vehicle.
The only reason the brake lights are mentioned is because if they're on brake pedal is being pressed.
I made the observation that some who failed to use the handbrake also failed to do other things. From something as simple as forgetting to turn their headlights off to almost colliding with the vehicle in front of them.
Liquid Knight said:
So page eight and some people still don't understand...
THIS IS NOT ABOUT BRAKE LIGHTS
...it's about failing to control the vehicle.
The only reason the brake lights are mentioned is because if they're on brake pedal is being pressed.
In a topic entitled "Are brake lights at junctions the new front fog lights?". So not about brake lights then?THIS IS NOT ABOUT BRAKE LIGHTS
...it's about failing to control the vehicle.
The only reason the brake lights are mentioned is because if they're on brake pedal is being pressed.
As has been repeatedly explained the conclusion that the brake pedal is being pressed for the brake lights to be on is a fallacy in many modern cars.
DoubleD said:
Why would you care how someone holds a car still at a traffic light?
I don't care it's purely an observation. Failure to do one of the most simple maneuvers while driving tends to lead to other failings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf23oAvTnGk
@2:40
Liquid Knight said:
DoubleD said:
Why would you care how someone holds a car still at a traffic light?
I don't care it's purely an observation. Failure to do one of the most simple maneuvers while driving tends to lead to other failings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf23oAvTnGk
@2:40
Ive not watched the clip, but if you look hard enough you will always find someone somewhere do something wrong. Do you have any proper evidence that holding a car using the foot brake will mean that you make another "mistake"?
Liquid Knight said:
I made the observation that some who failed to use the handbrake also failed to do other things. From something as simple as forgetting to turn their headlights off to almost colliding with the vehicle in front of them.
Which is just nonsense. As almost all people sit there with the brake lights on, it's not surprising that with your fixation on how bad those people are, your confirmation bias takes over and convinces you that they all do other bad things and the two are connected.Bert
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