Are brake lights at junctions the new front fog lights?

[anonymous-user]

Current shape Volvo V90...

Come to a halt, engine stops and auto handbrake engages. Brake lights held 'on'. You can now take foot off foot brake and all remains 'as is'. Only changes when you put foot on throttle.

[nonsequitur]

DoubleD said:

Any that arent bothered about a brake light being on, then what are you bothered about? Why would you care how someone holds a car still at a traffic light?

This morning at some road works. A four way sequence so quite a delay (4/5 minutes). Car in front, foot on the brake all the time.
What else could it be but lazy driving?

[Tony33]

nonsequitur said:

DoubleD said:

Any that arent bothered about a brake light being on, then what are you bothered about? Why would you care how someone holds a car still at a traffic light?

This morning at some road works. A four way sequence so quite a delay (4/5 minutes). Car in front, foot on the brake all the time.
What else could it be but lazy driving?

You don't say what car it was or whether you witnessed the foot on the brake but it could easily be something else (like as the previous poster in a V90 describes)

[nonsequitur]

Tony33 said:

nonsequitur said:

DoubleD said:

Any that arent bothered about a brake light being on, then what are you bothered about? Why would you care how someone holds a car still at a traffic light?

This morning at some road works. A four way sequence so quite a delay (4/5 minutes). Car in front, foot on the brake all the time.
What else could it be but lazy driving?

You don't say what car it was or whether you witnessed the foot on the brake but it could easily be something else (like as the previous poster in a V90 describes)

No, not one of those. A chavved up Focus with huge exhausts and a plate to match. We were there so long I could give you other outstanding features, but will refrain.

[Tony33]

nonsequitur said:

Tony33 said:

nonsequitur said:

DoubleD said:

Any that arent bothered about a brake light being on, then what are you bothered about? Why would you care how someone holds a car still at a traffic light?

This morning at some road works. A four way sequence so quite a delay (4/5 minutes). Car in front, foot on the brake all the time.
What else could it be but lazy driving?

You don't say what car it was or whether you witnessed the foot on the brake but it could easily be something else (like as the previous poster in a V90 describes)

No, not one of those. A chavved up Focus with huge exhausts and a plate to match. We were there so long I could give you other outstanding features, but will refrain.

Be grateful they had their foot on the brake and not demonstrating their melodious exhaust to a captive audience

[DoubleD]

nonsequitur said:

DoubleD said:

Any that arent bothered about a brake light being on, then what are you bothered about? Why would you care how someone holds a car still at a traffic light?

This morning at some road works. A four way sequence so quite a delay (4/5 minutes). Car in front, foot on the brake all the time.
What else could it be but lazy driving?

Why are you bothered if the person in front would rather put their foot on the brake rather than pull up the hand brake? Why do you care if it is or isnt lazy?

[nonsequitur]

DoubleD said:

nonsequitur said:

DoubleD said:

Any that arent bothered about a brake light being on, then what are you bothered about? Why would you care how someone holds a car still at a traffic light?

This morning at some road works. A four way sequence so quite a delay (4/5 minutes). Car in front, foot on the brake all the time.
What else could it be but lazy driving?

Why are you bothered if the person in front would rather put their foot on the brake rather than pull up the hand brake? Why do you care if it is or isnt lazy?

Lazy driving extends way beyond foot on the brake. A bit of said driving could affect you and yours one day, so we should all care about that style of motoring.

[jamei303]

nonsequitur said:

Lazy driving extends way beyond foot on the brake. A bit of said driving could affect you and yours one day, so we should all care about that style of motoring.

Using the foot brake is not lazy driving because it requires more concentration than using the handbrake. However lazy drivers do use the handbrake when they can't be bothered to keep their foot on the pedal. See also: cruise control, intermittent wipers, central locking and starter motors.

[DoubleD]

jamei303 said:

nonsequitur said:

Lazy driving extends way beyond foot on the brake. A bit of said driving could affect you and yours one day, so we should all care about that style of motoring.

Using the foot brake is not lazy driving because it requires more concentration than using the handbrake. However lazy drivers do use the handbrake when they can't be bothered to keep their foot on the pedal. See also: cruise control, intermittent wipers, central locking and starter motors.

Exactly. Its not lazy as it requires more effort. So really using the handbrake is lazy.

[Liquid Knight]

Out of curiosity what did the Focus do next?

Did failure to use the handbrake lead to other failings or was this car an exception to the rule?

[DoubleD]

Liquid Knight said:

Out of curiosity what did the Focus do next?

Did failure to use the handbrake lead to other failings or was this car an exception to the rule?

99% of cars just pull away with no problems

[jamei303]

DoubleD said:

99% of cars just pull away with no problems

I bet 99% of drivers when asked would say the only reason they use the handbrake at traffic lights is to give their foot a rest. Only a tiny minority would say it was just in case they got hit from behind and their foot slipped.

[Liquid Knight]

jamei303 said:

DoubleD said:

99% of cars just pull away with no problems

I bet 99% of drivers when asked would say the only reason they use the handbrake at traffic lights is to give their foot a rest. Only a tiny minority would say it was just in case they got hit from behind and their foot slipped.

In that case only a tiny minority actually paid attention when they had driving lessons. From the general state of driving in the UK that is believable.

[anonymous-user]

cool story bro'

[jamei303]

Liquid Knight said:

jamei303 said:

DoubleD said:

99% of cars just pull away with no problems

I bet 99% of drivers when asked would say the only reason they use the handbrake at traffic lights is to give their foot a rest. Only a tiny minority would say it was just in case they got hit from behind and their foot slipped.

In that case only a tiny minority actually paid attention when they had driving lessons. From the general state of driving in the UK that is believable.

99% of instructors said to keep the button pushed in so as not to wear the ratchet out and annoy them with the noise. A shame because all my car manuals have specifically warned against this as it could cause the brake not to engage properly.

But then this thread isn't about braking properly it's about being annoyed by other people doing things differently.

[vonhosen]

jamei303 said:

In that case only a tiny minority actually paid attention when they had driving lessons.

People discard from their training that which they believed to be rubbish & hold on to that which they consider of worth.

[waremark]

Liquid Knight said:

jamei303 said:

I bet 99% of drivers when asked would say the only reason they use the handbrake at traffic lights is to give their foot a rest. Only a tiny minority would say it was just in case they got hit from behind and their foot slipped.

In that case only a tiny minority actually paid attention when they had driving lessons. From the general state of driving in the UK that is believable.

Any evidence at all of what the majority of instructors teach? Possible reasons for using the parking brake include giving the left foot a rest, avoiding glare for the driver behind, having more braking if hit from behind, avoiding rollback on restart, and avoiding rolling from just forgetting to hold the brake on. I guess that it is only the last two which would concern instructors because they would cause test failure.

And what do you expect the poor new driver to do when presented with a car with auto-hold? Let alone the experienced driver!

I'm sorry if you are one of those who suffers from the glare of brake lights but I'm afraid it's a case of 'get over it' or give up driving.

[nonsequitur]

Liquid Knight said:

Out of curiosity what did the Focus do next?

Did failure to use the handbrake lead to other failings or was this car an exception to the rule?

Almost fell.

No, movement was slow with a leisurely flow.

[Flumpo]

Since reading this nonsense, even when using the handbrake I am now keeping my foot on the brake.

I’ve realised that anyone who is dazzled by someone else’s brake lights will see this. They will then go home and discuss it with family members or maybe even post on a forum they use.

Hopefully, especially the family members will listen to the issues. They will then have a serious talk about this family member, then come to a sensible agreement. They will tell the driver maybe it’s time for grandad to hang up the keys. They have noticed his driving has been deteriorating and now this. They can’t stand by any longer. What if they kill a child because they are dazzled by someone’s brake lights?

If I save one child’s life through keeping my foot on the brake then that’s good enough for me.

Nonsense, yes, but no more nonsense than the original post or the others who complain of dazzling.

[Boosted LS1]

^ Oh yes, think of the children. Sooner or later somebody was destined to say this.