Are brake lights at junctions the new front fog lights?
Discussion
M4cruiser said:
DoubleD said:
Boosted LS1 said:
I disagree. Those drivers are merely resting their foot on the brakes, not pressing firmly. If the foot slips off because of being rear ended how can that be safer then the handbrake that has to be manually released?
I cant see it making much difference either way in a rear end shunt.If you foot is firmly on the brake pedal and you are hit from behind all of the impact energy is absorbed by the two vehicles. Great if you have kids in the back. Sorry; had kids in the back.
If your foot is knocked off the brake pedal you could roll into oncoming or other traffic. This second, third or more collision would not only be your fault but would also cause more damage and potential injuries or death.
If you're using your handbrake like you are supposed to and as the law requires so the same rear end collision would be enough to move your vehicle spreading the energy of the impact but not enough to knock you into other traffic.
Liquid Knight said:
That's only if you have your foot firmly pushing the brake pedal. As discussed earlier in the thread chances are the pressure on the pedal would be less than an effective handbrake but enough to stop the vehicle rolling and brake lights on.
If you foot is firmly on the brake pedal and you are hit from behind all of the impact energy is absorbed by the two vehicles. Great if you have kids in the back. Sorry; had kids in the back.
If your foot is knocked off the brake pedal you could roll into oncoming or other traffic. This second, third or more collision would not only be your fault but would also cause more damage and potential injuries or death.
If you're using your handbrake like you are supposed to and as the law requires so the same rear end collision would be enough to move your vehicle spreading the energy of the impact but not enough to knock you into other traffic.
Can you show me where the law says you must use your handbrake?If you foot is firmly on the brake pedal and you are hit from behind all of the impact energy is absorbed by the two vehicles. Great if you have kids in the back. Sorry; had kids in the back.
If your foot is knocked off the brake pedal you could roll into oncoming or other traffic. This second, third or more collision would not only be your fault but would also cause more damage and potential injuries or death.
If you're using your handbrake like you are supposed to and as the law requires so the same rear end collision would be enough to move your vehicle spreading the energy of the impact but not enough to knock you into other traffic.
Starfighter said:
It is not stated in law as you know already.
Failure to use the handbrake correctly and sitting on the footbrake will both be marked down on a driving test and may tesult in a fail in isolation or combined with other faults.
But when you've passed the test.......Failure to use the handbrake correctly and sitting on the footbrake will both be marked down on a driving test and may tesult in a fail in isolation or combined with other faults.
I've always thought that as well as good driving, having a break from feet on pedals with handbrake applied, is a welcome relief if only for a short while.
Apply handbrake at traffic lights instead of resting on footbrake.
Imagine a sneeze or something else lol.....
its good practice. Anyways Ill sit with handbrake on while waiting and ill put my foot on the brake until someone is behind me, like the brakelight to light just to increase my noticeability at the back.
Imagine a sneeze or something else lol.....
its good practice. Anyways Ill sit with handbrake on while waiting and ill put my foot on the brake until someone is behind me, like the brakelight to light just to increase my noticeability at the back.
Starfighter said:
Failure to use the handbrake correctly and sitting on the footbrake will both be marked down on a driving test and may tesult in a fail in isolation or combined with other faults.
This is simply not true. You will not be "marked down" on a driving test for failing to put the handbrake on unless something else happens as a consequence (e.g. the car rolls backwards).nonsequitur said:
But when you've passed the test.......
I've always thought that as well as good driving, having a break from feet on pedals with handbrake applied, is a welcome relief if only for a short while.
I'm sure it's a welcome relief to take your hands off the steering wheel too, or close your eyes for a few seconds. This doesn't mean it's always the best thing to do.I've always thought that as well as good driving, having a break from feet on pedals with handbrake applied, is a welcome relief if only for a short while.
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
Do you look directly at the element of said table lamp ?
Not usually, and I don't look directly at the element of brake lights either. I suppose I would do if I wanted to wind myself up about how dazzled they made me, but that would be silly.That aside I can quite happily stare at the element of a 60W lamp for some time without being in pain or being unable to see other things.
jamei303 said:
Not usually, and I don't look directly at the element of brake lights either. I suppose I would do if I wanted to wind myself up about how dazzled they made me, but that would be silly.
That aside I can quite happily stare at the element of a 60W lamp for some time without being in pain or being unable to see other things.
Let us say there was a lamp directly in the path of your clever eyes, and it is dark, and I control the switch.That aside I can quite happily stare at the element of a 60W lamp for some time without being in pain or being unable to see other things.
jamei303 said:
nonsequitur said:
But when you've passed the test.......
I've always thought that as well as good driving, having a break from feet on pedals with handbrake applied, is a welcome relief if only for a short while.
I'm sure it's a welcome relief to take your hands off the steering wheel too, or close your eyes for a few seconds. This doesn't mean it's always the best thing to do.I've always thought that as well as good driving, having a break from feet on pedals with handbrake applied, is a welcome relief if only for a short while.
djc206 said:
Can you show me where the law says you must use your handbrake?
Driving Without Due Care and Attention (consideration). Failure to drive to the standard expected of a competent driver. Highway Code section 114 said:
You MUST NOT
use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).
In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
Any "competent" driver who passed their test in the last seventy years should be well aware of the Highway Code and the practical application of it. use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).
In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
As mentioned above depending on the driving test assessor you may be marked down for failing to use the handbrake during a standard driving test. It demonstrates either inability to fully control the vehicle or unfamiliarity of the controls.
From recent experience with PSV and HGV driving. You literally have a maximum of four to five seconds from coming to a stop to applying the handbrake or else; it's an instant fail.
Liquid Knight said:
djc206 said:
Can you show me where the law says you must use your handbrake?
Driving Without Due Care and Attention (consideration). Failure to drive to the standard expected of a competent driver. Highway Code section 114 said:
You MUST NOT
use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).
In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
Any "competent" driver who passed their test in the last seventy years should be well aware of the Highway Code and the practical application of it. use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders
use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226).
In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.
As mentioned above depending on the driving test assessor you may be marked down for failing to use the handbrake during a standard driving test. It demonstrates either inability to fully control the vehicle or unfamiliarity of the controls.
From recent experience with PSV and HGV driving. You literally have a maximum of four to five seconds from coming to a stop to applying the handbrake or else; it's an instant fail.
Anyway back to the original question. This afternoon as I waited to go on to the A47 at King's Lynn's notorious Hardwick roundabout nine vehicles were ahead of me and they all had their brake lights illuminated by their own ineptitude or by design.
Four were in the wrong lane and cut others up.
Three shot off the line like the start of a quarter mile only to have to brake and avoid the traffic they could clearly see was ahead of them the whole time.
None of them used their indicators when they entered or left the roundabout.
So in this case all nine who failed to use their handbrakes also failed to drive to the standards expected of someone capable of passing a test.
Again from PSV and HGV experience who have to do a CPC every five years. Why not have a repeater test for all drivers every five years?
Think of it as an MOT for the driver.
If they fail they are back to provisional and "L" plates until they can pass a full test.,
Four were in the wrong lane and cut others up.
Three shot off the line like the start of a quarter mile only to have to brake and avoid the traffic they could clearly see was ahead of them the whole time.
None of them used their indicators when they entered or left the roundabout.
So in this case all nine who failed to use their handbrakes also failed to drive to the standards expected of someone capable of passing a test.
Again from PSV and HGV experience who have to do a CPC every five years. Why not have a repeater test for all drivers every five years?
Think of it as an MOT for the driver.
If they fail they are back to provisional and "L" plates until they can pass a full test.,
Liquid Knight said:
Any "competent" driver who passed their test in the last seventy years should be well aware of the Highway Code and the practical application of it.
As mentioned above depending on the driving test assessor you may be marked down for failing to use the handbrake during a standard driving test. It demonstrates either inability to fully control the vehicle or unfamiliarity of the controls.
From recent experience with PSV and HGV driving. You literally have a maximum of four to five seconds from coming to a stop to applying the handbrake or else; it's an instant fail.
So it’s not illegal then. Driving without due care? Bloody hell you lot are taking this far too far, you’d never secure that conviction in a million years.As mentioned above depending on the driving test assessor you may be marked down for failing to use the handbrake during a standard driving test. It demonstrates either inability to fully control the vehicle or unfamiliarity of the controls.
From recent experience with PSV and HGV driving. You literally have a maximum of four to five seconds from coming to a stop to applying the handbrake or else; it's an instant fail.
HGV’s are not cars, they’re very different so that’s totally irrelevant.
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
Your feet, or do you balance at lights ?
Not so the correct taught method is the application of the rear brake which in turn illuminates the brake lights. Feet alone are of little use on inclines and for shorter riders. I'm only using it as one of many examples where a handbrake is not used as the op seems to fixate on this issue.Another example although it doesn't actually have any brake lights would be the long since retired Chieftain AFV in whichever guise the chassis was used be it Main battle tank or an Engineers AVLB. It takes approx 28 applications of the handbrake mechanism (from memory so just a rough figure) for it to fully engage so at junctions etc it was never taught to be used unless the vehicle was to be parked for a continued duration. The same for the later Challenger AFV albeit that took less applications for the handbrake to fully engage which leads to the Challenger 2 which does have brake lights but the handbrake is still not used at junctions etc.
Edited to add:-
I'm sure the OPs high horse has neither handbrake or brake lights
Edited by wolf1 on Friday 19th April 20:11
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