Are brake lights at junctions the new front fog lights?
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Is there some kind of ethnic light sensitivity in the UK?...I spend most of my time in North America, and the standard universally is for people at stop lights to keep the foot on the brake
and leave the car in drive. If its a long stop, shift to park. For the minority who drive standard they just shift into neutral, foot on brake and only use the handbrake on a hill.
It has not led to premature blindness nor thousands of deaths.
and leave the car in drive. If its a long stop, shift to park. For the minority who drive standard they just shift into neutral, foot on brake and only use the handbrake on a hill.
It has not led to premature blindness nor thousands of deaths.
M4cruiser said:
There's more to this - yes, the HC says "should" but that could lead to a prosecution on a related matter, i.e. it's not an offence specifically to fail to apply the handbrake, but it could be an offence to dazzle those behind.
It’s not possible to dazzle someone with brake lights, that’s why the HC only mentions minimising glare. The notion that you can be prosecuted for having your brake lights on is completely preposterous.
Le Controleur Horizontal said:
gazza5 said:
What do I do about my golf r estate that is a dsg.
If I stop at the lights, the auto parking brake goes on, my feet are not on the pedal but my rear lights are lit?
My foot is not on the brake pedal, my car is obviously in drive (car also has hill hold assist - and stop start tech).
Judging by this thread I am breaking the law (highway code) with out actually doing it myself.
No,you just have an inconsiderate car that makes you look like the one to blame to strangers, the car being German in origin, they then just assume you are.If I stop at the lights, the auto parking brake goes on, my feet are not on the pedal but my rear lights are lit?
My foot is not on the brake pedal, my car is obviously in drive (car also has hill hold assist - and stop start tech).
Judging by this thread I am breaking the law (highway code) with out actually doing it myself.
jamei303 said:
M4cruiser said:
There's more to this - yes, the HC says "should" but that could lead to a prosecution on a related matter, i.e. it's not an offence specifically to fail to apply the handbrake, but it could be an offence to dazzle those behind.
It’s not possible to dazzle someone with brake lights, that’s why the HC only mentions minimising glare. In the past to my comment some say don't park too close, not much you can do when you pull up behind a vehicle to find that glare is just too bright, and you can't hardly reverse.
Not wanting to open up another drawn out debate, you dont think it does, I do, each to their own, maybe I am more susceptible to bright red lights whose knows.
jamei303 said:
It’s not possible to dazzle someone with brake lights, that’s why the HC only mentions minimising glare.
The notion that you can be prosecuted for having your brake lights on is completely preposterous.
Yet rear fog lights left on do/can, they are the same brightness as brake lights ?The notion that you can be prosecuted for having your brake lights on is completely preposterous.
Ageism based trolling? Okay...
Older people know how to do a hill start with a handbrake. We have already covered that it is not taught by some driving schools.
Older people are more considerate of others in general and on the road.
Older people can remember when brake lights were bulbs made of glass, filled with gas and used a metal element not LED's that are visible from space.
Older drivers use their mirrors properly and more often.
I gave a friends son a driving lesson and he spent more time looking to see if his phone had a message than anything to do with the operation of the vehicle. A habit he has picked up from his parents who both have had points for using the phone whilst driving. I ended up putting his phone in the glove box for the last few minutes and as soon as we stopped he took it and sat with the screen open for the rest of the afternoon. A twenty minute long lesson without prompting he only checked his mirrors about five or six times. If I had a Pound for every time I had to say "Mirror" I would be able to retire now.
This was never meant to be an age based debate. That's a whole other tin of worms.
Older people know how to do a hill start with a handbrake. We have already covered that it is not taught by some driving schools.
Older people are more considerate of others in general and on the road.
Older people can remember when brake lights were bulbs made of glass, filled with gas and used a metal element not LED's that are visible from space.
Older drivers use their mirrors properly and more often.
I gave a friends son a driving lesson and he spent more time looking to see if his phone had a message than anything to do with the operation of the vehicle. A habit he has picked up from his parents who both have had points for using the phone whilst driving. I ended up putting his phone in the glove box for the last few minutes and as soon as we stopped he took it and sat with the screen open for the rest of the afternoon. A twenty minute long lesson without prompting he only checked his mirrors about five or six times. If I had a Pound for every time I had to say "Mirror" I would be able to retire now.
This was never meant to be an age based debate. That's a whole other tin of worms.
Liquid Knight said:
Ageism based trolling? Okay...
Older people know how to do a hill start with a handbrake. We have already covered that it is not taught by some driving schools.
Older people are more considerate of others in general and on the road.
Older people can remember when brake lights were bulbs made of glass, filled with gas and used a metal element not LED's that are visible from space.
Older drivers use their mirrors properly and more often.
I gave a friends son a driving lesson and he spent more time looking to see if his phone had a message than anything to do with the operation of the vehicle. A habit he has picked up from his parents who both have had points for using the phone whilst driving. I ended up putting his phone in the glove box for the last few minutes and as soon as we stopped he took it and sat with the screen open for the rest of the afternoon. A twenty minute long lesson without prompting he only checked his mirrors about five or six times. If I had a Pound for every time I had to say "Mirror" I would be able to retire now.
This was never meant to be an age based debate. That's a whole other tin of worms.
He has obviously picked up some bad habits from older people, like his mum and dad!Older people know how to do a hill start with a handbrake. We have already covered that it is not taught by some driving schools.
Older people are more considerate of others in general and on the road.
Older people can remember when brake lights were bulbs made of glass, filled with gas and used a metal element not LED's that are visible from space.
Older drivers use their mirrors properly and more often.
I gave a friends son a driving lesson and he spent more time looking to see if his phone had a message than anything to do with the operation of the vehicle. A habit he has picked up from his parents who both have had points for using the phone whilst driving. I ended up putting his phone in the glove box for the last few minutes and as soon as we stopped he took it and sat with the screen open for the rest of the afternoon. A twenty minute long lesson without prompting he only checked his mirrors about five or six times. If I had a Pound for every time I had to say "Mirror" I would be able to retire now.
This was never meant to be an age based debate. That's a whole other tin of worms.
Old and young can be good or bad at driving, both sides feel that they are the better drivers.
gazza5 said:
What do I do about my golf r estate that is a dsg.
If I stop at the lights, the auto parking brake goes on, my feet are not on the pedal but my rear lights are lit?
My foot is not on the brake pedal, my car is obviously in drive (car also has hill hold assist - and stop start tech).
Judging by this thread I am breaking the law (highway code) with out actually doing it myself.
It's not the parking brake that goes on, it's the auto-hold (ie. it automatically does the foot brake for you).If I stop at the lights, the auto parking brake goes on, my feet are not on the pedal but my rear lights are lit?
My foot is not on the brake pedal, my car is obviously in drive (car also has hill hold assist - and stop start tech).
Judging by this thread I am breaking the law (highway code) with out actually doing it myself.
To avoid the brake lights remaining lit you can engage the electronic parking brake (EPB).
The EPB is automatically disengaged when you put your foot on the accelerator.
DoubleD said:
This place
A quick google throws up many pages of results all talking about the issues of lights and older eyes. Mostly around oncoming headlights. In general they get worse the older your eyes are.https://www.everydayhealth.com/vision-center/the-a...
https://seniordriving.aaa.com/understanding-mind-b...
https://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/motoring/cars/usin...
etc
But that's just a reason to include eye sight tests in a retesting program, night/day licences and improved transport options for the elderly. And less about when people should display that they are slowing/stationary.
DoubleD said:
He has obviously picked up some bad habits from older people, like his mum and dad!
Old and young can be good or bad at driving, both sides feel that they are the better drivers.
Very true to a degree. Some of us young, old or anywhere between don't see driving on the road as a competition. Save that for the track. Old and young can be good or bad at driving, both sides feel that they are the better drivers.
Munter said:
That's just a reason to include eye sight tests in a retesting program, night/day licences and improved transport options for the elderly. And less about when people should display that they are slowing/stationary.
Good idea, I have suggested before that all drivers should be retested every five years. When I have made that suggestion some are very vocal about how much of a bad idea they think it is. Coincidentally they tend to be bad drivers. 
A couple of years ago there was a Parish Council meeting about reducing the speed limit outside the schools and having a speed camera on the main road. Four locals objected and within a year two had crashed and another was banned. The only people who have a problem with speed cameras are those who break the speed limit. Funny that.
LeoSayer said:
gazza5 said:
What do I do about my golf r estate that is a dsg.
If I stop at the lights, the auto parking brake goes on, my feet are not on the pedal but my rear lights are lit?
My foot is not on the brake pedal, my car is obviously in drive (car also has hill hold assist - and stop start tech).
Judging by this thread I am breaking the law (highway code) with out actually doing it myself.
It's not the parking brake that goes on, it's the auto-hold (ie. it automatically does the foot brake for you).If I stop at the lights, the auto parking brake goes on, my feet are not on the pedal but my rear lights are lit?
My foot is not on the brake pedal, my car is obviously in drive (car also has hill hold assist - and stop start tech).
Judging by this thread I am breaking the law (highway code) with out actually doing it myself.
To avoid the brake lights remaining lit you can engage the electronic parking brake (EPB).
The EPB is automatically disengaged when you put your foot on the accelerator.
So for example I park outside my house, I park up and then put the car into park, and the EPB automatically comes on (as you hear the noise).
The EPB will come off if I put the car back into D / S.
I know I can pull up on the switch, but I'm pretty sure I can't just touch the acceleartor to go off again, that is only with the auto hold - which brings the brake lights on.
In fact just asked the missus to put the EPB brake on in my car and the red lights at the back come on anyway (unless she did it wrong).
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