Undertaking on dual carriageway?

[WilliamWoollard]

Cliftonite said:

Then it was fortunate you did not push the issue!

Yep!

[WilliamWoollard]

Superleg48 said:

Poor driving by Plod though.

When I passed them as they turned off later the occupants of both cars were wearing suits, I’ve a feeling they were royal protection or some such. Still crap driving, if you want me to know you’re the police leave your blues on and I’ll stay away from you. If you don’t, move the hell over and let me get on with my day.

[brisel]

Does anyone find that a right hand indicator is more effective than a flash of main beam? It seems much more common in France on the autoroutes. Ultimately, if they aren't looking in the mirrors then nothing will work and carefully passing on the left is the only way to get past. I don't like doing it - if they aren't aware of you then they certainly won't be aware of someone coming up their inside, should the car behind you in the queue make their impatience known and they remember what the Highway Code says.

[FiF]

I think my advice is to make an assessment of the vehicle ahead and the likely reaction of said vehicle driver.

I learnt my lesson on this after following a right lane lurker for a good mile and then passing on the left.

Turned out the Transit was driven by a member of the All Ireland Caravan Club presumably out looking for a fight. All ended well, at least from my side, but rather not had the aggro in the first place.

[Pica-Pica]

brisel said:

Does anyone find that a right hand indicator is more effective than a flash of main beam? It seems much more common in France on the autoroutes. Ultimately, if they aren't looking in the mirrors then nothing will work and carefully passing on the left is the only way to get past. I don't like doing it - if they aren't aware of you then they certainly won't be aware of someone coming up their inside, should the car behind you in the queue make their impatience known and they remember what the Highway Code says.

I use the right hand indicator on occasions where someone is hanging out in the outer lane. This use of indicator has these benefits.
1) it is deemed less aggressive to the blocking vehicle, it acts as an indication you are there and actively wishing to pass, and will (presumably) do so swiftly.
2) it signals to any vehicle directly following you that you wish to pass the car in front, and that the blocking car is the reason you are not making progress, and not yourself.
3) it shows any following car you are communicating with the car in front. Any following car may not always see if you flash the car in front.
4) as long as you are not tailgating or pushing, then a swift approach and an indication (if they do not appear to move left) seems more ‘professional’ than a flash to me.

Just my views and experience. Never had any reaction form the driver ahead other than a quick indicator left and the car pulls over.
I will sit patiently if there is a lorry ahead and they wish to pass that (even though I could quickly get past, and they could get back out again with no inconvenience to them).

[Flibble]

brisel said:

Does anyone find that a right hand indicator is more effective than a flash of main beam? It seems much more common in France on the autoroutes. Ultimately, if they aren't looking in the mirrors then nothing will work and carefully passing on the left is the only way to get past. I don't like doing it - if they aren't aware of you then they certainly won't be aware of someone coming up their inside, should the car behind you in the queue make their impatience known and they remember what the Highway Code says.

An indicator is more easily missed by the driving in their own world types (who are the only people anything works on anyway). A flash is more obvious.
If you're behind a bloody minded road captain it's irrelevant as they won't move anyway.

[ericmcn]

No surprises for guessing what car this is...
constantly get slated for these type of posts but may as well post up a video - the driver must have done some impressive over and undertaking in the space of 25 minutes considering i was doing the most of 80 for all that time said car was the only one I seen under take on the A34 on the 2nd video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYizbz2asXc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YREuoVjIki8

[Pericoloso]

The second video just shows you and a Discovery hogging lane 2.

You REALLY hate BMWs don't you.

[ericmcn]

as you can see, quite a busy road, no? for BMW owners clearly since the owners own all the road network they can drive as they see fit to make some progress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq8lUGZY8B0

[Pericoloso]

I'm not watching another of your riveting videos.

I'm out.....

[Len Woodman]

[quote=ericmcn]No surprises for guessing what car this is...
constantly get slated for these type of posts but may as well post up a video - the driver must have done some impressive over and undertaking in the space of 25 minutes considering i was doing the most of 80 for all that time said car was the only one I seen under take on the A34 on the 2nd video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYizbz2asXc

If only driving was like that here in Oz!

[Glasgowrob]

i cover some 100-150k a year on mainly motorways and its amazing the difference in lane hoggers mlms reaction depending on vehicle, standard saloon they just sit there oblivious, rock up behind them in a xlwb bus even maintaining a 2 second gap they soon seem to move out the way

[thebraketester]

ericmcn said:

as you can see, quite a busy road, no? for BMW owners clearly since the owners own all the road network they can drive as they see fit to make some progress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq8lUGZY8B0

I would have done the same as the bmw.

Move. Over.

[Flibble]

ericmcn said:

as you can see, quite a busy road, no? for BMW owners clearly since the owners own all the road network they can drive as they see fit to make some progress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq8lUGZY8B0

Busy road or not if there's room for him so pass two of you together on the left then there plenty of room to move over.
You're just a lane hog who doesn't like being overtaken.

[ericmcn]

Flibble said:

Busy road or not if there's room for him so pass two of you together on the left then there plenty of room to move over.
You're just a lane hog who doesn't like being overtaken.

On the contrary I somehow think its the BMW driver who was making impressive progress over the previous 25 odd minutes surely doing the guts of 100mph to tail gate me on the A34 (eventually) and then do some nifty under taking to round off the undoubtedly impressive over and undertaking the driver did to get that far during that timeframe, its not like I couldnt have blasted past the vehicle in front of me on the outside lane also and barge past all the traffic and branch into the outside lane like nothing happened but I dont tend to drive like a wker, thats best left to the BMW owners who specialise in moves like this. Besides that clown already was left behind by me almost half an hour previous so was hardly expecting me to troddle along doing 30mph at that point.

[Flibble]

ericmcn said:

... but I dont tend to drive like a wker...

Your videos suggest otherwise.

Also the BMW axe you have to grind is pretty tedious, try something a bit more original.

2/10.

[ericmcn]

Flibble said:

Your videos suggest otherwise.

Also the BMW axe you have to grind is pretty tedious, try something a bit more original.

2/10.

actually thinking back there was a crash ahead, a range rover was in a ditch which explains the traffic Q (Police also present)- but all we have learnt from PH is that the hate for a Subaru owner spans the entire site and BMW tosspots get free reign it seems to drive as they see fit and are exempt from 'undertaking on dual carriage ways to gain ground and cut infront of a Q' scenarios.

You would have thought that owner would have seen the crash on his advanced driver aids and telemetry that should be part of the package of an advanced driving machine and drive accordingly.

You only need to google crashes on A34 to see how terrible the consequences can be but some pathetic people on here will still back up idiot BMWs for driving like that

Edited by ericmcn on Sunday 31st March 12:12

[Chromegrill]

Pica-Pica said:

I use the right hand indicator on occasions where someone is hanging out in the outer lane. This use of indicator has these benefits.
1) it is deemed less aggressive to the blocking vehicle, it acts as an indication you are there and actively wishing to pass, and will (presumably) do so swiftly.
2) it signals to any vehicle directly following you that you wish to pass the car in front, and that the blocking car is the reason you are not making progress, and not yourself.
3) it shows any following car you are communicating with the car in front. Any following car may not always see if you flash the car in front.
4) as long as you are not tailgating or pushing, then a swift approach and an indication (if they do not appear to move left) seems more ‘professional’ than a flash to me.

Just my views and experience. Never had any reaction form the driver ahead other than a quick indicator left and the car pulls over.
I will sit patiently if there is a lorry ahead and they wish to pass that (even though I could quickly get past, and they could get back out again with no inconvenience to them).

OP again - sensible advice that I will try to effect if/when next in this situation. Thanks!

[thatdude]

It's not illegal. Do it with extra care, for sure, but its not illegal.

And if someone is on the outside lane doing 45 in a 70, you're best bet is to put some distance between you and them anyway.

[Flibble]

ericmcn said:

actually thinking back there was a crash ahead, a range rover was in a ditch which explains the traffic Q (Police also present)- but all we have learnt from PH is that the hate for a Subaru owner spans the entire site and BMW tosspots get free reign it seems to drive as they see fit and are exempt from 'undertaking on dual carriage ways to gain ground and cut infront of a Q' scenarios.

You would have thought that owner would have seen the crash on his advanced driver aids and telemetry that should be part of the package of an advanced driving machine and drive accordingly.

You only need to google crashes on A34 to see how terrible the consequences can be but some pathetic people on here will still back up idiot BMWs for driving like that

See this is your mistake. The reaction to you is not because you drive a Subaru, but because of how you act.

Personally I prefer Subarus to BMWs in general (I drive a more-or-less Subaru after all), but you really do yourself no favours.