Why is A Road Overtaking a Problem?
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I don't think that I've encountered much aggression from other drivers after overtaking. Flashing lights etc.
Not recently anyway, but I'm a much better driver now
I had a good one recently - was on a 'spirited' drive in the Impreza... so in the high boost map with anti-lag switched on
Came up behind an F-Type following another car. Road was clear, so pulled out and overtook them both, probably deafening them in the process.
I was letting the speed roll off coming into the next village with the F-Type approaching rather quickly in my mirror. He sat right on my bumper which initially I took as aggression, but when I stopped at the next cross roads he gave me a thumbs up... I don't think it was sarcastic lol.
It does annoy me slightly when people don't overtake and I'm driving the shed, as it just makes it much harder to overtake multiple cars with very little power. It's not impossible, but need a lot of space and a little compliance from the cars in front. I don't mean they need to back off, but if they decide their pride is hurt being overtaken by a little shiitbox and put the foot down, most cars will out drag it! Not that that has happened to me mind.
Overtaking in the MX5 is probably the worst. It looks like it should be fast as it's had some track modifications, but it's really not Well not in a straight line anyway.
Not recently anyway, but I'm a much better driver now
I had a good one recently - was on a 'spirited' drive in the Impreza... so in the high boost map with anti-lag switched on
Came up behind an F-Type following another car. Road was clear, so pulled out and overtook them both, probably deafening them in the process.I was letting the speed roll off coming into the next village with the F-Type approaching rather quickly in my mirror. He sat right on my bumper which initially I took as aggression, but when I stopped at the next cross roads he gave me a thumbs up... I don't think it was sarcastic lol.
It does annoy me slightly when people don't overtake and I'm driving the shed, as it just makes it much harder to overtake multiple cars with very little power. It's not impossible, but need a lot of space and a little compliance from the cars in front. I don't mean they need to back off, but if they decide their pride is hurt being overtaken by a little shiitbox and put the foot down, most cars will out drag it! Not that that has happened to me mind.
Overtaking in the MX5 is probably the worst. It looks like it should be fast as it's had some track modifications, but it's really not
Well not in a straight line anyway.G-996 said:
After driving many standard not-hot hatches, MPVs and repmobiles, I was in the fortunate position to buy a second hand Porsche 911 a few years ago. On the subject of overtaking I have a couple of observations:
1: It is much much much easier, safer and less stressful to overtake in a very fast car. Less need to “build momentum”, more like following the Roadcraft approach, i.e. move over, blip the throttle, and you’re past. Also there are many more opportunities to overtake, I.e. you don’t need as long a straight (whilst also being aware there might be another 911 coming around the next corner in the opposite direction), so less temptation to go for “marginal” overtakes.
2: Very surprisingly, people do not seem to mind being overtaken by a 911. Not at all. I thought I’d see all manner of light flashing and hand waving (anyone who overtakes will know what I mean), but no, not a sausage. My theory is that people don’t generally like being overtaken, since they consider it a bit like queue jumping, or see it as a bit competitive, i.e. totally unreasonable behaviour. However, when they see a sport car come flashing past they consider that a different “category” (can’t think of a better word) of car, so give themselves permission to be overtaken, and it doesn’t get their competitive juices flowing.
Might be rubbish, but that’s my observations and theory for what it’s worth.
I sort of get where your coming from. In the Carrera, I dont tend to have problems, people tend to smile at a 31 year old 911, but in the little black 1.0ltr polo, I get bullied and people seem to think 'boy racer' and get aggressive and close gaps occasionally when I overtake.1: It is much much much easier, safer and less stressful to overtake in a very fast car. Less need to “build momentum”, more like following the Roadcraft approach, i.e. move over, blip the throttle, and you’re past. Also there are many more opportunities to overtake, I.e. you don’t need as long a straight (whilst also being aware there might be another 911 coming around the next corner in the opposite direction), so less temptation to go for “marginal” overtakes.
2: Very surprisingly, people do not seem to mind being overtaken by a 911. Not at all. I thought I’d see all manner of light flashing and hand waving (anyone who overtakes will know what I mean), but no, not a sausage. My theory is that people don’t generally like being overtaken, since they consider it a bit like queue jumping, or see it as a bit competitive, i.e. totally unreasonable behaviour. However, when they see a sport car come flashing past they consider that a different “category” (can’t think of a better word) of car, so give themselves permission to be overtaken, and it doesn’t get their competitive juices flowing.
Might be rubbish, but that’s my observations and theory for what it’s worth.
Its daft.
Haltamer said:
People just aren't interested in getting there it would seem.
With people sitting on empty motorways at 50 in L2, There seems to be very little hope of anyone making progress on single carridgeways.
https://youtu.be/XPLnMshdoMY Is a perfect example - This truck was trawling along at 40; with a perfectly clear straight. Only a couple of people from the long queue in front decided to go; And even after they were all done there was still time for me to take the entire queue and a truck!
Which road is that?With people sitting on empty motorways at 50 in L2, There seems to be very little hope of anyone making progress on single carridgeways.
https://youtu.be/XPLnMshdoMY Is a perfect example - This truck was trawling along at 40; with a perfectly clear straight. Only a couple of people from the long queue in front decided to go; And even after they were all done there was still time for me to take the entire queue and a truck!
Blakewater said:
Haltamer said:
People just aren't interested in getting there it would seem.
With people sitting on empty motorways at 50 in L2, There seems to be very little hope of anyone making progress on single carridgeways.
https://youtu.be/XPLnMshdoMY Is a perfect example - This truck was trawling along at 40; with a perfectly clear straight. Only a couple of people from the long queue in front decided to go; And even after they were all done there was still time for me to take the entire queue and a truck!
Which road is that?With people sitting on empty motorways at 50 in L2, There seems to be very little hope of anyone making progress on single carridgeways.
https://youtu.be/XPLnMshdoMY Is a perfect example - This truck was trawling along at 40; with a perfectly clear straight. Only a couple of people from the long queue in front decided to go; And even after they were all done there was still time for me to take the entire queue and a truck!
tless to overtake, hitting the brakes every 10 seconds and coming to a standstill if they see a cyclist, just terrible driving - at 23,40 and 29,50 i overtook a string of idiots on this 40 mph zombie compliation, It doesnt seem like drivers have any confidence in the crap they are driving to carry out overtakes safely, that or they dont have a pairhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsUtbP1j5EE&t=...
I overtake less these days. I used to overtake a lot even when I had slow cars, with good planning I could overtake most cars on my 1.0L 205...
The problem these days is that people in general are bad drivers, have much less awareness of their sorroundings when driving, probably too distracted or cocooned in their car.
The reason I overtake less is that I don’t want to risk a perfectly safe planned overtake killing me by a stupid driver not doing their checks or pulling out in front of me. Also I always facilitated other people overtaking by either lifting throttle if appropriate or at least ensuring gap is available in front of me.
The problem these days is that people in general are bad drivers, have much less awareness of their sorroundings when driving, probably too distracted or cocooned in their car.
The reason I overtake less is that I don’t want to risk a perfectly safe planned overtake killing me by a stupid driver not doing their checks or pulling out in front of me. Also I always facilitated other people overtaking by either lifting throttle if appropriate or at least ensuring gap is available in front of me.
CrgT16 said:
I overtake less these days. I used to overtake a lot even when I had slow cars, with good planning I could overtake most cars on my 1.0L 205...
The problem these days is that people in general are bad drivers, have much less awareness of their sorroundings when driving, probably too distracted or cocooned in their car.
The reason I overtake less is that I don’t want to risk a perfectly safe planned overtake killing me by a stupid driver not doing their checks or pulling out in front of me. Also I always facilitated other people overtaking by either lifting throttle if appropriate or at least ensuring gap is available in front of me.
I overtake a lot, especially on the bike when even on single carriageways with one lane each way I probably average one every mile or so, and I've never had someone pulling out on me.The problem these days is that people in general are bad drivers, have much less awareness of their sorroundings when driving, probably too distracted or cocooned in their car.
The reason I overtake less is that I don’t want to risk a perfectly safe planned overtake killing me by a stupid driver not doing their checks or pulling out in front of me. Also I always facilitated other people overtaking by either lifting throttle if appropriate or at least ensuring gap is available in front of me.
Admittedly I'm pretty wary about overtaking someone who might be looking for an overtake themselves, but I still overtake queues once the drivers in front have shown no inclination to overtake. Done properly it's no more risky than passing a parked car, or sitting in a queue hoping the driver behind won't run into the back of you.
ericmcn said:
Blakewater said:
Haltamer said:
People just aren't interested in getting there it would seem.
With people sitting on empty motorways at 50 in L2, There seems to be very little hope of anyone making progress on single carridgeways.
https://youtu.be/XPLnMshdoMY Is a perfect example - This truck was trawling along at 40; with a perfectly clear straight. Only a couple of people from the long queue in front decided to go; And even after they were all done there was still time for me to take the entire queue and a truck!
Which road is that?With people sitting on empty motorways at 50 in L2, There seems to be very little hope of anyone making progress on single carridgeways.
https://youtu.be/XPLnMshdoMY Is a perfect example - This truck was trawling along at 40; with a perfectly clear straight. Only a couple of people from the long queue in front decided to go; And even after they were all done there was still time for me to take the entire queue and a truck!
tless to overtake, hitting the brakes every 10 seconds and coming to a standstill if they see a cyclist, just terrible driving - at 23,40 and 29,50 i overtook a string of idiots on this 40 mph zombie compliation, It doesnt seem like drivers have any confidence in the crap they are driving to carry out overtakes safely, that or they dont have a pairhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsUtbP1j5EE&t=...
The second video appears to indicate that you are unaware of the impact your contact can have on others perception of you and their reaction to that contact.
I would drop back to a safe following distance when there are signs and road markings that indicate overtaking is not "on". The lessening of perceived pressure will perhaps relax the driver in front of you, make your following distance safe, open up the line of forward vision for earlier planning and - if you were following me with under a second gap - shorten the overtake of two vehicles, when you did overtake.
Additionally, overtaking when passing entrances to property is possibly not a good idea, nor when a van is potentially emerging.
The above is subjective of course, as the video is not good quality. Hedges for entrances may have been able to be seen through, the van driver may have had eye-to-eye contact, etc.
Certainly an eye-opener though...
Edited by PhilAsia on Tuesday 26th November 10:25
This is typical of what occurs, a couple of 40mph'ers and suddenly a huge pile up ensues - I dont particuarly want to be dwaddling along at 40 so just overtook these 2 vehicles, of course the more that build up the worse it will get but the problem in most cases is no one overtaking at all and we get tail backs because of this.
You have far less chance of an accident with a clear line of sight ahead, this is going to be hindered as soon as all these 40mph brigade and any other HGVs etc that get involved block ones view ahead.
https://youtu.be/cwHGg_--IBI
You have far less chance of an accident with a clear line of sight ahead, this is going to be hindered as soon as all these 40mph brigade and any other HGVs etc that get involved block ones view ahead.
https://youtu.be/cwHGg_--IBI
ericmcn said:
This is typical of what occurs, a couple of 40mph'ers and suddenly a huge pile up ensues - I dont particuarly want to be dwaddling along at 40 so just overtook these 2 vehicles, of course the more that build up the worse it will get but the problem in most cases is no one overtaking at all and we get tail backs because of this.
You have far less chance of an accident with a clear line of sight ahead, this is going to be hindered as soon as all these 40mph brigade and any other HGVs etc that get involved block ones view ahead.
https://youtu.be/cwHGg_--IBI
So, it is an overtake - does overtaking two 40mphers in your mighty beast of a Scoobaru make you a driving god, or something?You have far less chance of an accident with a clear line of sight ahead, this is going to be hindered as soon as all these 40mph brigade and any other HGVs etc that get involved block ones view ahead.
https://youtu.be/cwHGg_--IBI
Have a free clue - you aren't the only driver in the universe who has ever overtaken cars doing 40mph - I used to manage it regularly in 100 horsepower Vauxhalls last Century, and it was nothing special then!
Gojira said:
So, it is an overtake - does overtaking two 40mphers in your mighty beast of a Scoobaru make you a driving god, or something?
Have a free clue - you aren't the only driver in the universe who has ever overtaken cars doing 40mph - I used to manage it regularly in 100 horsepower Vauxhalls last Century, and it was nothing special then!
no it doesnt make my a driving god but if half the Have a free clue - you aren't the only driver in the universe who has ever overtaken cars doing 40mph - I used to manage it regularly in 100 horsepower Vauxhalls last Century, and it was nothing special then!
s around here overtook 40mph cars the roads would be a much nicer place to drive? I have overtaken 6 or 7 cars many times in this Scoobaru, easily and without even pushing it so its certainly able to cope with the idiots who cannot drive - thank you for your insightGojira said:
So, it is an overtake - does overtaking two 40mphers in your mighty beast of a Scoobaru make you a driving god, or something?
Have a free clue - you aren't the only driver in the universe who has ever overtaken cars doing 40mph - I used to manage it regularly in 100 horsepower Vauxhalls last Century, and it was nothing special then!
The critical and PH controversial side of me thinks that modern cars have the mid-range torque and 30-80 mph acceleration of a toad, which is preventing many cars from doing such moves in the first place........Have a free clue - you aren't the only driver in the universe who has ever overtaken cars doing 40mph - I used to manage it regularly in 100 horsepower Vauxhalls last Century, and it was nothing special then!
ericmcn said:
Gojira said:
So, it is an overtake - does overtaking two 40mphers in your mighty beast of a Scoobaru make you a driving god, or something?
Have a free clue - you aren't the only driver in the universe who has ever overtaken cars doing 40mph - I used to manage it regularly in 100 horsepower Vauxhalls last Century, and it was nothing special then!
The critical and PH controversial side of me thinks that modern cars have the mid-range torque and 30-80 mph acceleration of a toad, which is preventing many cars from doing such moves in the first place........Have a free clue - you aren't the only driver in the universe who has ever overtaken cars doing 40mph - I used to manage it regularly in 100 horsepower Vauxhalls last Century, and it was nothing special then!
Paynewright said:
I dont get it either - if I dont want to overtake I always leave a safe gap for someone to pull into. If someone overtakes me I’ll momentarily ease off the throttle to aid their safe progress.
Accelerating, leaving no gap, closing a gap and aggressive attitude if you’re being overtaken is totally unacceptable. Normal
This sums up my view on the matter. Accelerating, leaving no gap, closing a gap and aggressive attitude if you’re being overtaken is totally
meatballs said:
I'd rather the 40mph drivers drove closer to the speed limit (when appropriate) myself.
I am sure one of the reasons that police do not appear to prosecute vans doing over 50 on a single carriageway NSL, is that they cause more of a nuisance doing 50 than they are a danger at 60.aka_kerrly said:
This sums up my view on the matter.
Indeed. However other drivers don't adopt such a responsible attitude to being overtaken, for whatever reason, and it's incumbent on the overtaker to sum up all the factors in real time and make a go/continue/abort decision.That said I'm aware of at least one fatal - quite some time ago, it must be said, where the overtakee was convicted of death by dangerous, when it was the overtaker who struck and caused the death of an oncoming motorcylist, but it's an eventuality we hope to avoid if we take the moral and technical high ground when overtaking.
It is odd that so many people either feel unsafe at 60 mph on A or B roads or think that is the speed limit.
I don't mind tractors, lorries etc, they are working, what I do mind is people who simply do not have the confidence or ability to move past something slow moving, meaning you then have to overtake multiple vehicles.
But I guess you have to expect it, if you see how this minority drive on motorways, it is no surprise!
I don't mind tractors, lorries etc, they are working, what I do mind is people who simply do not have the confidence or ability to move past something slow moving, meaning you then have to overtake multiple vehicles.
But I guess you have to expect it, if you see how this minority drive on motorways, it is no surprise!
Gojira said:
S'funny, my XE is only just over 6 months old, and I dread to think how many little white pills it would take for a toad to keep up with it
Im sure the XE is able to cope with overtakes, maybe its even faster than my Legacy but what I meant was the the run of the mill st boxes that make up most of the cars on the road are dull, boring, and leave alot to be desired when it comes to actually overtaking, well anything.Gassing Station | Advanced Driving | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff