Dangerous overtaken driver

[Caddyshack]

Dr Jekyll said:

Caddyshack said:

Just re-watched Reg's video on overtaking and see that he does not use the indicator. I wonder if he would if there was a car behind him who would maybe also consider the overtake?

Recently I followed a slow moving bus one car back (i.e. there was a car in front of me then the bus) the driver in front of me did not seem to want to overtake so I waited for a place to pass both at same time as the one in front had not left a big enough space for me to pop in (they should have left 2 car lengths to allow someone to chose to overtake - the cushion of safety I think it is called?) I made my intentions known by my road position then gave a flash of the lights and indicated when I made the overtake as I didn't want the one in front to suddenly pull out and attempt an overtake themselves whilst I was passing (they had not so much as moved out to look)

Therefore, in this instance was I right to indicate? There were 2 or 3 other cars also travelling behind me.

If you were happy they weren't going to overtake, why indicate? If you weren't, why overtake?

Because I cannot mind read the odd general public.

Makes sense to me to show them I am there and my intentions.

Poor drivers gun it, then pull out without much awareness. I would rather there was something flashing in their mirrors to tell them I am there.

[Dr Jekyll]

Caddyshack said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Caddyshack said:

Just re-watched Reg's video on overtaking and see that he does not use the indicator. I wonder if he would if there was a car behind him who would maybe also consider the overtake?

Recently I followed a slow moving bus one car back (i.e. there was a car in front of me then the bus) the driver in front of me did not seem to want to overtake so I waited for a place to pass both at same time as the one in front had not left a big enough space for me to pop in (they should have left 2 car lengths to allow someone to chose to overtake - the cushion of safety I think it is called?) I made my intentions known by my road position then gave a flash of the lights and indicated when I made the overtake as I didn't want the one in front to suddenly pull out and attempt an overtake themselves whilst I was passing (they had not so much as moved out to look)

Therefore, in this instance was I right to indicate? There were 2 or 3 other cars also travelling behind me.

If you were happy they weren't going to overtake, why indicate? If you weren't, why overtake?

Because I cannot mind read the odd general public.

Like I said, if you aren't happy they weren't going to overtake, why overtake? Far better to hang back than rely on an indicator to save you.

Caddyshack said:

Makes sense to me to show them I am there and my intentions.

Poor drivers gun it, then pull out without much awareness. I would rather there was something flashing in their mirrors to tell them I am there.

If they can't see you in the offside position then they won't see your indicator.

[Caddyshack]

Dr Jekyll said:

Caddyshack said:

Just re-watched Reg's video on overtaking and see that he does not use the indicator. I wonder if he would if there was a car behind him who would maybe also consider the overtake?

Recently I followed a slow moving bus one car back (i.e. there was a car in front of me then the bus) the driver in front of me did not seem to want to overtake so I waited for a place to pass both at same time as the one in front had not left a big enough space for me to pop in (they should have left 2 car lengths to allow someone to chose to overtake - the cushion of safety I think it is called?) I made my intentions known by my road position then gave a flash of the lights and indicated when I made the overtake as I didn't want the one in front to suddenly pull out and attempt an overtake themselves whilst I was passing (they had not so much as moved out to look)

Therefore, in this instance was I right to indicate? There were 2 or 3 other cars also travelling behind me.

If you were happy they weren't going to overtake, why indicate? If you weren't, why overtake?

Because we are humans and one of the cars behind could be an inexperienced driver about to floor a fast car and pull out at the same time as me without any signal or positioning.

[Dr Jekyll]

Caddyshack said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Caddyshack said:

Just re-watched Reg's video on overtaking and see that he does not use the indicator. I wonder if he would if there was a car behind him who would maybe also consider the overtake?

Recently I followed a slow moving bus one car back (i.e. there was a car in front of me then the bus) the driver in front of me did not seem to want to overtake so I waited for a place to pass both at same time as the one in front had not left a big enough space for me to pop in (they should have left 2 car lengths to allow someone to chose to overtake - the cushion of safety I think it is called?) I made my intentions known by my road position then gave a flash of the lights and indicated when I made the overtake as I didn't want the one in front to suddenly pull out and attempt an overtake themselves whilst I was passing (they had not so much as moved out to look)

Therefore, in this instance was I right to indicate? There were 2 or 3 other cars also travelling behind me.

If you were happy they weren't going to overtake, why indicate? If you weren't, why overtake?

Because we are humans and one of the cars behind could be an inexperienced driver about to floor a fast car and pull out at the same time as me without any signal or positioning.

So why overtake?

[Caddyshack]

Dr Jekyll said:

Caddyshack said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Caddyshack said:

Just re-watched Reg's video on overtaking and see that he does not use the indicator. I wonder if he would if there was a car behind him who would maybe also consider the overtake?

Recently I followed a slow moving bus one car back (i.e. there was a car in front of me then the bus) the driver in front of me did not seem to want to overtake so I waited for a place to pass both at same time as the one in front had not left a big enough space for me to pop in (they should have left 2 car lengths to allow someone to chose to overtake - the cushion of safety I think it is called?) I made my intentions known by my road position then gave a flash of the lights and indicated when I made the overtake as I didn't want the one in front to suddenly pull out and attempt an overtake themselves whilst I was passing (they had not so much as moved out to look)

Therefore, in this instance was I right to indicate? There were 2 or 3 other cars also travelling behind me.

If you were happy they weren't going to overtake, why indicate? If you weren't, why overtake?

Because we are humans and one of the cars behind could be an inexperienced driver about to floor a fast car and pull out at the same time as me without any signal or positioning.

So why overtake?

Why not, it all looked safe to me and turned out to be the case, the flash told the driver in front I was their and my positioning and signal showed the drivers behind what I was doing.

[Dr Jekyll]

Caddyshack said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Caddyshack said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Caddyshack said:

Just re-watched Reg's video on overtaking and see that he does not use the indicator. I wonder if he would if there was a car behind him who would maybe also consider the overtake?

Recently I followed a slow moving bus one car back (i.e. there was a car in front of me then the bus) the driver in front of me did not seem to want to overtake so I waited for a place to pass both at same time as the one in front had not left a big enough space for me to pop in (they should have left 2 car lengths to allow someone to chose to overtake - the cushion of safety I think it is called?) I made my intentions known by my road position then gave a flash of the lights and indicated when I made the overtake as I didn't want the one in front to suddenly pull out and attempt an overtake themselves whilst I was passing (they had not so much as moved out to look)

Therefore, in this instance was I right to indicate? There were 2 or 3 other cars also travelling behind me.

If you were happy they weren't going to overtake, why indicate? If you weren't, why overtake?

Because we are humans and one of the cars behind could be an inexperienced driver about to floor a fast car and pull out at the same time as me without any signal or positioning.

So why overtake?

Why not, it all looked safe to me and turned out to be the case, the flash told the driver in front I was their and my positioning and signal showed the drivers behind what I was doing.

[Enut]

Caddyshack said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Caddyshack said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Caddyshack said:

Just re-watched Reg's video on overtaking and see that he does not use the indicator. I wonder if he would if there was a car behind him who would maybe also consider the overtake?

Recently I followed a slow moving bus one car back (i.e. there was a car in front of me then the bus) the driver in front of me did not seem to want to overtake so I waited for a place to pass both at same time as the one in front had not left a big enough space for me to pop in (they should have left 2 car lengths to allow someone to chose to overtake - the cushion of safety I think it is called?) I made my intentions known by my road position then gave a flash of the lights and indicated when I made the overtake as I didn't want the one in front to suddenly pull out and attempt an overtake themselves whilst I was passing (they had not so much as moved out to look)

Therefore, in this instance was I right to indicate? There were 2 or 3 other cars also travelling behind me.

If you were happy they weren't going to overtake, why indicate? If you weren't, why overtake?

Because we are humans and one of the cars behind could be an inexperienced driver about to floor a fast car and pull out at the same time as me without any signal or positioning.

So why overtake?

Why not, it all looked safe to me and turned out to be the case, the flash told the driver in front I was their and my positioning and signal showed the drivers behind what I was doing.

I seem to be in a minority here in that I agree with the use of the indicator when overtaking, especially when you may have positioned the car on a number of occassions, anticipating a chance to overtake, but then not overtaken. If the car in front is aware of what is behind him, then the indication will then tell him that, on this occassion, you ARE going to overtake.

I'm less sure about the flash of lights in this case though though, there is a chance that the driver in front will interpret this as you letting him overtake in front of you and therefore he could suddenly be in your path and you have to reassess your overtake or take other avoidance action.

The indicate/no indicate argument interests me, surely if someone can see your indication (and the car in front can) then you should make it to make your intentions clear?

[Peter3442]

....and, if it all goes wrong, the first thing police or insurance will ask is "Did you signal?"

[vonhosen]

Peter3442 said:

....and, if it all goes wrong, the first thing police or insurance will ask is "Did you signal?"

More likely to be first is..."What happened?"

[Caddyshack]

I think the flash came from HPC with John Lyons ages ago.

[WilliamWoollard]

Enut said:

I seem to be in a minority here in that I agree with the use of the indicator when overtaking, especially when you may have positioned the car on a number of occassions, anticipating a chance to overtake, but then not overtaken. If the car in front is aware of what is behind him, then the indication will then tell him that, on this occassion, you ARE going to overtake.

Why does he need to know?

[Caddyshack]

WilliamWoollard said:

Enut said:

I seem to be in a minority here in that I agree with the use of the indicator when overtaking, especially when you may have positioned the car on a number of occassions, anticipating a chance to overtake, but then not overtaken. If the car in front is aware of what is behind him, then the indication will then tell him that, on this occassion, you ARE going to overtake.

Why does he need to know?

Surely so he knows not to swerve out whilst you pass, adjust his speed to allow your overtake should something change?

[Enut]

WilliamWoollard said:

Why does he need to know?

So, using that logic, there is no need to indicate when leaving a motorway, assuming your speed means no one needs to alter their driving?

[Gojira]

Apparently so....

There seem to be a few folk here under the delusion that using your indicators is "Giving information to the enemy!"

So long as it isn't actually confusing, why wouldn't you indicate?

[Dr Jekyll]

Enut said:

WilliamWoollard said:

Why does he need to know?

So, using that logic, there is no need to indicate when leaving a motorway, assuming your speed means no one needs to alter their driving?

No. If someone behind you might be planning to overtake you if you don't leave, or has the opportunity to move into lane 1 one you've left, then indicate. But if it makes no difference to anyone else, why indicate?

[Enut]

Dr Jekyll said:

No. If someone behind you might be planning to overtake you if you don't leave, or has the opportunity to move into lane 1 one you've left, then indicate. But if it makes no difference to anyone else, why indicate?

That's my point, how in the hell do you know what they are planning to do? At least by indicating you are informing other road users of your intention. Isn't that the whole point of indicating. It seems strange to me that people on an advanced driving forum are advocating an action (or lack or one) that would immediately lead to failing your basic driving test.

[Dr Jekyll]

Enut said:

Dr Jekyll said:

No. If someone behind you might be planning to overtake you if you don't leave, or has the opportunity to move into lane 1 one you've left, then indicate. But if it makes no difference to anyone else, why indicate?

That's my point, how in the hell do you know what they are planning to do? At least by indicating you are informing other road users of your intention. Isn't that the whole point of indicating. It seems strange to me that people on an advanced driving forum are advocating an action (or lack or one) that would immediately lead to failing your basic driving test.

You don't know what they're planning to do. So if they might be planning to overtake you or have the opportunity to move into lane 1 after you've left then you indicate, just in case. But in both those situations you are giving information to those who may benefit from it, not just hitting the indicator switch because you happen to be leaving the motorway.

[Enut]

Dr Jekyll said:

You don't know what they're planning to do. So if they might be planning to overtake you or have the opportunity to move into lane 1 after you've left then you indicate, just in case. But in both those situations you are giving information to those who may benefit from it, not just hitting the indicator switch because you happen to be leaving the motorway.

In the same way that if you indicate to overtake a driver it is informing them of your intention so that, for example, when he then sees a pot hole in the road he does not swerve out in front you whilst you are overtaking him?

[Dr Jekyll]

Enut said:

Dr Jekyll said:

You don't know what they're planning to do. So if they might be planning to overtake you or have the opportunity to move into lane 1 after you've left then you indicate, just in case. But in both those situations you are giving information to those who may benefit from it, not just hitting the indicator switch because you happen to be leaving the motorway.

In the same way that if you indicate to overtake a driver it is informing them of your intention so that, for example, when he then sees a pot hole in the road he does not swerve out in front you whilst you are overtaking him?

If they don't see you in the offside position they won't see the indicator. If they are going to swerve an indicator won't stop them.

[WilliamWoollard]

Gojira said:

Apparently so....

There seem to be a few folk here under the delusion that using your indicators is "Giving information to the enemy!"

So long as it isn't actually confusing, why wouldn't you indicate?

Because, as in the OP, indicating before you overtake gives the car you are about to pass time to accelerate to block you. Potentially with extremely serious consequences. As others report this to be a growing problem on the roads I am offering a solution that works for me. I don’t get people accelerating when I’m overtaking. I also rarely indicate when I’m about to overtake. It’s possible that I might just be lucky, or the two might be linked.

In my opinion there is more danger from indicating before an overtake than not.