Dangerous overtaken driver

[PhilAsia]

Gojira said:

WilliamWoollard said:

Gojira said:

WilliamWoollard said:

Gojira said:

WilliamWoollard said:

Your list is rubbish. If there is a chance of any of those things happening you don't overtake, that's pretty basic stuff. A little blinky light won't save you if you balls up your observations. You complain of being blocked when overtaking yet also argue that indicating is necessary, I never get blocked and hardly ever indicate. If you want to stop people blocking your overtaking, try not indicating. If you want them to keep blocking you, keep indicating, I know where the greatest risk is for me.

You are fking joking....

The first thing I was taught when I learnt to drive was "Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre"

As you claim to be an ADI, when did that stop being a basic principle?

How many times do you need people to tell you? CONSIDER giving a signal. Weigh up the risks and consider if a signal is the safest course of action. A lack of signal that doesn't affect anyone will not be marked as a fault on any UK driving test.

Here's the examiners marking criteria on it, if you're interested: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/guidance-for-driving-e...

The bit in bold seems a fair bit stronger than CONSIDER.

I'm sorry, but I don't see how signalling my intentions to another road user who might be affected by them is a bad idea?

https://youtu.be/pmUKmW4BYXM?t=1

Very clever....

For anyone else who can't be bothered to follow the link, it is a clip of the Average White Band, playing Lets Go Round Again.

Didn't really need to know, but now it is indicated () I am aware...

...Just to cover both angles

Edited by PhilAsia on Saturday 7th December 12:16

[TonyTony]

Something similar that I find happens alot is on slip roads, I will be ahead of the car that is in the main lane and I have clearance to pull in. I cruise ahead of them ready to just merge at the end and I don't want to look like I'm trying to race them and just basically be respectful on the road... As you reach merging point they accelerate and try to fill your only gap to merge which is going to cause you to have to completely stop. I usually just keep driving into the gap if they do this and they back off.

Recently in a new more bold coloured fast car people seem to actually back off when you're on a slip road just to let you go past them though..

[Caddyshack]

TonyTony said:

Something similar that I find happens alot is on slip roads, I will be ahead of the car that is in the main lane and I have clearance to pull in. I cruise ahead of them ready to just merge at the end and I don't want to look like I'm trying to race them and just basically be respectful on the road... As you reach merging point they accelerate and try to fill your only gap to merge which is going to cause you to have to completely stop. I usually just keep driving into the gap if they do this and they back off.

Recently in a new more bold coloured fast car people seem to actually back off when you're on a slip road just to let you go past them though..

I wonder if that is some subconcious competitive streak or just people being horrid?

[TonyTony]

Caddyshack said:

I wonder if that is some subconcious competitive streak or just people being horrid?

The same as people accelerating when you are trying to overtake, people don't like that you're going to get ahead of them, even though you're using the road how it was designed.

[anonymous-user]

Been in same position as op overtaking a no faster than 25mph driver in 50mph zone just after cromford hill. He sped up as I passed, I braked, he braked, I sped up, he sped up, I braked, he braked, dropped into second and got to 60mph to pass.
Needless to say, not overtaken anything other than a tractor since. I just sit behind now and give enough gap for whoever is behind me to overtake me and if they choose, overtake them. Not worth the risk.

[Caddyshack]

Jaetten said:

Been in same position as op overtaking a no faster than 25mph driver in 50mph zone just after cromford hill. He sped up as I passed, I braked, he braked, I sped up, he sped up, I braked, he braked, dropped into second and got to 60mph to pass.
Needless to say, not overtaken anything other than a tractor since. I just sit behind now and give enough gap for whoever is behind me to overtake me and if they choose, overtake them. Not worth the risk.

With enough evidence they could be convicted, especially if it lead to you or others being hurt or worse.

Iirc someone was caught swerving towards an oncoming person, the police got a prosecution on something like attempted murder or other.

[RSTurboPaul]

Caddyshack said:

Jaetten said:

Been in same position as op overtaking a no faster than 25mph driver in 50mph zone just after cromford hill. He sped up as I passed, I braked, he braked, I sped up, he sped up, I braked, he braked, dropped into second and got to 60mph to pass.
Needless to say, not overtaken anything other than a tractor since. I just sit behind now and give enough gap for whoever is behind me to overtake me and if they choose, overtake them. Not worth the risk.

With enough evidence they could be convicted, especially if it lead to you or others being hurt or worse.

Iirc someone was caught swerving towards an oncoming person, the police got a prosecution on something like attempted murder or other.

I don't understand why that action is not prosecuted more strongly, to the extent of murder/manslaughter if someone dies, as you have mentioned - having had it happen to myself by a grinning, smug moron, I am of the mind that I would not hesitate in the future to take the offending vehicle out as part of an accident avoidance strategy if it meant I created the space to avoid a head-on collision I am being forced into by said vehicle.

[Caddyshack]

RSTurboPaul said:

Caddyshack said:

Jaetten said:

Been in same position as op overtaking a no faster than 25mph driver in 50mph zone just after cromford hill. He sped up as I passed, I braked, he braked, I sped up, he sped up, I braked, he braked, dropped into second and got to 60mph to pass.
Needless to say, not overtaken anything other than a tractor since. I just sit behind now and give enough gap for whoever is behind me to overtake me and if they choose, overtake them. Not worth the risk.

With enough evidence they could be convicted, especially if it lead to you or others being hurt or worse.

Iirc someone was caught swerving towards an oncoming person, the police got a prosecution on something like attempted murder or other.

I don't understand why that action is not prosecuted more strongly, to the extent of murder/manslaughter if someone dies, as you have mentioned - having had it happen to myself by a grinning, smug moron, I am of the mind that I would not hesitate in the future to take the offending vehicle out as part of an accident avoidance strategy if it meant I created the space to avoid a head-on collision I am being forced into by said vehicle.

Agreed.

[Falconer]

Peter911 said:

This is why I always drive a Porsche.

Never an issue.

Same here with a Subaru.

[WJNB]

Peter911 said:

This is why I always drive a Porsche.

Never an issue.

Love it, a delightful tongue-firmly-in-cheek remark.

However I suspect there are those with such an 'attitude' for real, related to Porsche or BMW ownership whereby they attract others who will enjoy making their life difficult & one day dangerous or even fatal.
Porsche etc ownership however big the engine or the cock behind the wheel is certainly no guarantee of being insulated from such situations.

[Caddyshack]

I am the op and I also have 2 Porsche’s but that is missing the point, if you overtake coming out of a 20 zone in to a 40 as the driver in front is not going above 20 then you do not give your Porsche full throttle and 8000 rpm as you would end up over speeding....the point is when you are mid way past and the car you are overtaking floors it you still have to think split second to then really go for it or hang back....Porsche or not. You also do not want to have to be doing 70 in the 40 zone just because some idiot has some complex.

I was in Rangie at time.

[IT1GTR]

Falconer said:

Peter911 said:

This is why I always drive a Porsche.

Never an issue.

Same here with a Subaru.

Same here with the M5. By the time they have woken up, the overtake is done!

Tend to find I start much father back now I have extra power and pull out before I accelerate, opposed to the usual "banana" overtake with a low powered car.

My biggest bug bear are those refusing to overtake, but then not leaving enough space for someone else to do it. You end up eyeing up a 2x or 3x overtake to clear the train of cars doing 40mph in NSL. 9 times out of 10 it's just not possible due to amount of road / gap required, or a driver in front positioning their car in such I was that you can't guarantee they won't do something stupid.

[Fastdruid]

Caddyshack said:

TonyTony said:

Something similar that I find happens alot is on slip roads, I will be ahead of the car that is in the main lane and I have clearance to pull in. I cruise ahead of them ready to just merge at the end and I don't want to look like I'm trying to race them and just basically be respectful on the road... As you reach merging point they accelerate and try to fill your only gap to merge which is going to cause you to have to completely stop. I usually just keep driving into the gap if they do this and they back off.

Recently in a new more bold coloured fast car people seem to actually back off when you're on a slip road just to let you go past them though..

I wonder if that is some subconcious competitive streak or just people being horrid?

People do react differently to faster looking cars. People don't want to be "beaten" by a slower car.

Drive a Ferrari and a Micra in exactly the same way at exactly the same speeds and people will cut you up, pull in front etc when you're in the Micra while they wouldn't in the Ferrari (I don't have either btw, just an example).

[RobM77]

Caddyshack said:

TonyTony said:

Something similar that I find happens alot is on slip roads, I will be ahead of the car that is in the main lane and I have clearance to pull in. I cruise ahead of them ready to just merge at the end and I don't want to look like I'm trying to race them and just basically be respectful on the road... As you reach merging point they accelerate and try to fill your only gap to merge which is going to cause you to have to completely stop. I usually just keep driving into the gap if they do this and they back off.

Recently in a new more bold coloured fast car people seem to actually back off when you're on a slip road just to let you go past them though..

I wonder if that is some subconcious competitive streak or just people being horrid?

I think people just don't like others getting ahead. I've noticed that on roads that alternate between one and two lanes that many drivers take the right-hand lane by default, even if there's nothing in front of them to pass. I'm fairly sure they do this to discourage people from passing them. The strangest example is a roundabout in our nearest town which has a tight two lane exit then drops to one lane after about 50 metres - many people leaving at this exit keep right on the exit, leaving this enormous gap down their left-hand side.

[anonymous-user]

Audi/bmw drivers don’t like being overtaken , so always bear that in mind.

[TonyTony]

Another one I keep noticing is while I'm waiting at the lights on a dual lane which merges to one at the other end of the junction a car pulls up next to me, but at least a full car length infront of the line (And me).

Its always a bog standard car and I end up miles ahead of it before I'm even at the merge and I'm not hard launching, why not just stop where you are supposed to?!

[7mike]

TonyTony said:

Another one I keep noticing is while I'm waiting at the lights on a dual lane which merges to one at the other end of the junction a car pulls up next to me, but at least a full car length infront of the line (And me).

Its always a bog standard car and I end up miles ahead of it before I'm even at the merge and I'm not hard launching, why not just stop where you are supposed to?!

When I had the M140i I'd often get some kiddie in an Corsa or such like wanting to demonstrate their driving godliness! Contrary to the previous poster's assumption, I'd make a point of moving off at quite a sedate pace and watch them go screeching off into the distance. Really do prefer to have them up front where I can keep an eye on them. In an X2 now, even more chilled out (sorry I don't fit your blinkered assumptions Iwantafusca)