Men and overtaking
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I've always driven hot hatches. I don't mind been overtaken at all as long as;
Its a safe overtake and not causing me to brake hard or the like.
Its not a soot chucker, yes I know your knackered old BMW something ending D is the fastest thing on four wheels but the cloud of **** it puts out on WOT is not nice. Cancer in a can, and I don't want to be breathing it in thanks.
I often move in a bit to make motorbike overtakes easier, those things ARE rapid.
Wish the same could be said when I am doing the overtaking though
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Its a safe overtake and not causing me to brake hard or the like.
Its not a soot chucker, yes I know your knackered old BMW something ending D is the fastest thing on four wheels but the cloud of **** it puts out on WOT is not nice. Cancer in a can, and I don't want to be breathing it in thanks.
I often move in a bit to make motorbike overtakes easier, those things ARE rapid.
Wish the same could be said when I am doing the overtaking though
. Schmed said:
Now THIS is how you overtake dawdlers... 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...
Legend.
Thread was about men and overtaking, right??
This is just people driving like idiots. Overtake sensibly and you'll get tarred with the same brush as people like this as many people can't distinguish between the two concepts. Then speed limits come down and overtaking becomes more restricted.https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...
Legend.
Thread was about men and overtaking, right??
Blakewater said:
Schmed said:
Now THIS is how you overtake dawdlers...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...
Legend.
Thread was about men and overtaking, right??
This is just people driving like idiots. Overtake sensibly and you'll get tarred with the same brush as people like this as many people can't distinguish between the two concepts. Then speed limits come down and overtaking becomes more restricted.https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...
Legend.
Thread was about men and overtaking, right??
Now any overtake is considered worse than mass murder judging by some of the hysterical responses on here...
Schmed said:
That was in 2006. Or thereabouts. The road safety Nazis’ hysteria hadn’t yet kicked in fully. A truly golden time to drive.
Now any overtake is considered worse than mass murder judging by some of the hysterical responses on here...
It was 2003. Whatever the road safety laws were at the time, that driver showed flagrant disregard for them. There's driving fast and safely, and then there's driving like an absolute bell while putting yourself, your passenger and other road users at risk. That video shows some of the very worst driving I've ever seen. Definitely not something to hold up as an example of how to overtake.Now any overtake is considered worse than mass murder judging by some of the hysterical responses on here...
LunarOne said:
Schmed said:
That was in 2006. Or thereabouts. The road safety Nazis’ hysteria hadn’t yet kicked in fully. A truly golden time to drive.
Now any overtake is considered worse than mass murder judging by some of the hysterical responses on here...
It was 2003. Whatever the road safety laws were at the time, that driver showed flagrant disregard for them. There's driving fast and safely, and then there's driving like an absolute bell while putting yourself, your passenger and other road users at risk. That video shows some of the very worst driving I've ever seen. Definitely not something to hold up as an example of how to overtake.Now any overtake is considered worse than mass murder judging by some of the hysterical responses on here...
Best thing a car driver can do to help a bike pass is drive normally and predictably. Unless you're in a hypercar, if we decide to pass there's literally nothing you could do to stop us, barring hitting us. To most car drivers (even 'fast' cars) big bike acceleration once you're doing over 20mph is literally unimaginable.
I once had a bloke in an old Merc stop on the very top of a blind brow and start motioning me past. I hadn't been tailgating, but I did gain on him reasonably quickly (although at this point I had already matched speed at two seconds back because we were approaching a blind brow). He was trying to help, in his own way, but there's no way I'm riding anywhere I can't see first.
After probably 20 seconds of waving me past and me motioning him to go on, he eventually did. When I could see I passed him and waved (more acknowledging that I appreciate him seeing me at all, most don't). He probably thought I was a moron.
I once had a bloke in an old Merc stop on the very top of a blind brow and start motioning me past. I hadn't been tailgating, but I did gain on him reasonably quickly (although at this point I had already matched speed at two seconds back because we were approaching a blind brow). He was trying to help, in his own way, but there's no way I'm riding anywhere I can't see first.
After probably 20 seconds of waving me past and me motioning him to go on, he eventually did. When I could see I passed him and waved (more acknowledging that I appreciate him seeing me at all, most don't). He probably thought I was a moron.
Pica-Pica said:
If I see space ahead, and a fast bike behind, I flick a left indicate (in cases where it cannot be misunderstood for anything other than an invitation to pass). The biker invariably passes and gives a small thank-you wave.
You might get a left leg from me as I'll be going so fast I need both hands to hang on as I'm a bike rider and we go everywhere at 101%*On a serious note, I've noticed all sorts of gesticulations from riders. One I was introduced to was if riding in a pack, and the lead rider moves to overtake, her or she will keep their left leg out off the peg during the maneover to indicate the road is clear ahead if the following rider wishes to follow and isn't trying something like the suicide swoop.
- I am bikeless at the moment, but obvs. if I had a bike, this is what I would be like.
Schmed said:
LunarOne said:
Schmed said:
That was in 2006. Or thereabouts. The road safety Nazis’ hysteria hadn’t yet kicked in fully. A truly golden time to drive.
Now any overtake is considered worse than mass murder judging by some of the hysterical responses on here...
It was 2003. Whatever the road safety laws were at the time, that driver showed flagrant disregard for them. There's driving fast and safely, and then there's driving like an absolute bell while putting yourself, your passenger and other road users at risk. That video shows some of the very worst driving I've ever seen. Definitely not something to hold up as an example of how to overtake.Now any overtake is considered worse than mass murder judging by some of the hysterical responses on here...
t drivers there just putting their foot down and hoping nothing went wrong - to be honest I skipped the intro and went forwards to about a minute in and you see him drive over into a slip road blindly saying 'this thing is so fast it gets you out of trouble' you know when someone honestly believes that they are a st driver In terms of the original question, no problem being overtaken, unless its stupid and could kill someone for the sake of a single car lengths road position. When people do that, I can feel a little rage but then the bigger man comes to the fore knowing I am not that d
head and they are stuck being that dhead all their lives, you pity them really 
Catatafish said:
I doubt that anyone will come on here and state that they don't like being overtaken, more the opposite. They doth protest too much etc.
In my experience those, with performance vehicles tend to have a little mental twitch/tic when overtaken when I have been a passenger.
I have a VX220 Turbo which is a pretty rapid machine, when a sIn my experience those, with performance vehicles tend to have a little mental twitch/tic when overtaken when I have been a passenger.
tbox revving the nuts off it struggles by rolling all over the place I tend to laugh more than feel in any way outdone I genuinely couldn't care less if I'm overtaken. Similar to what someone else has posted, if I have a good view and someone clearly wants to be past I'll pop my left indicator on to give them a bit of help.
I've experienced the other side of it too. One day I was having a spirited drive in my 2010 Focus ST MR290. I was driving as per the system I was taught when I did my Police advanced driving course so I was making pretty good progress but smooth and safe. On my way up to St. Mary's Loch in the borders and I came up behind a terribly driven DB9. You know the type, dressed head to foot in tweed, drives at 40 through 30 zones and does the same through NSL. At the appropriate point I get into a contact position, pop my right indicator on and smoothly get past before continuing my journey. Forgot all about it until I stopped at the cafe next to the loch. The DB9 pulled in some time later ranting about how I was a hooligan to have pushed so hard to get past him.
Maybe it was the hooligan reputation of my car but I think he was more annoyed at being overtaken. By a Ford.
I've experienced the other side of it too. One day I was having a spirited drive in my 2010 Focus ST MR290. I was driving as per the system I was taught when I did my Police advanced driving course so I was making pretty good progress but smooth and safe. On my way up to St. Mary's Loch in the borders and I came up behind a terribly driven DB9. You know the type, dressed head to foot in tweed, drives at 40 through 30 zones and does the same through NSL. At the appropriate point I get into a contact position, pop my right indicator on and smoothly get past before continuing my journey. Forgot all about it until I stopped at the cafe next to the loch. The DB9 pulled in some time later ranting about how I was a hooligan to have pushed so hard to get past him.
Maybe it was the hooligan reputation of my car but I think he was more annoyed at being overtaken. By a Ford.
"Most men"?
What sense does that make? You're on the motorway and as you pull past a few cars most of their drivers start going spare because you overtook them? And they notice, in between tears of rage and blackout inducing bile, that you're a woman?
I only get annoyed at people who are careless or reckless, and am usually glad to see them overtake, which despite living in Yorkshire is a small minority. Most people are considerate. Perhaps it's different elsewhere.
What sense does that make? You're on the motorway and as you pull past a few cars most of their drivers start going spare because you overtook them? And they notice, in between tears of rage and blackout inducing bile, that you're a woman?
I only get annoyed at people who are careless or reckless, and am usually glad to see them overtake, which despite living in Yorkshire is a small minority. Most people are considerate. Perhaps it's different elsewhere.
RDMcG said:
Not bothered at all.
I drive reasonably sporty cars and I not in competition on a public road. I am quite happy to pull over if something quicker comes up in my mirrors.
It is very frustrating when someone else will not pull over ahead of me , no doubt, but not going to flash lights,/beep or the like. In Canada where I live undertaking is legal, and if someone does not pull over after a while I simply indicate and undertake at a civilized speed, not some tire-squealing nonsense.
How are we defining pull over? If it's pull in and stop, say in a layby, I've never done it, except for emergency vehicles. I've no problem with being overtaken and I'll make it as easy as possible by tucking in to the side and I'll be at the speed limit, but unless it's an emergency vehicle that's as far as I go. I don't expect anything more from people I'm trying to pass but gap closers should be summarily executed.I drive reasonably sporty cars and I not in competition on a public road. I am quite happy to pull over if something quicker comes up in my mirrors.
It is very frustrating when someone else will not pull over ahead of me , no doubt, but not going to flash lights,/beep or the like. In Canada where I live undertaking is legal, and if someone does not pull over after a while I simply indicate and undertake at a civilized speed, not some tire-squealing nonsense.
I don't think it's about men, although perhaps there is something in that. It's just that overtaking on single carriageway roads is something that few drivers do. However, most drivers consider themselves to be "better than average" and therefore seem to think that being overtaken means that the driver undertaking the overtake must be incompetent/dangerous/reckless/criminal etc.
My only suggestion is that, as driving enthusiasts as I hope we are on this group, we overtake as respectfully as possible - i.e. not using lots of revs and noise when unnecessary (there is no reason to minimise time on the "wrong" side of the road if there is plenty of vision) and only adopting an overtaking position (closer than normal) when there is realistic possibility of an overtaking opportunity. Engaging in any sort of rebuke is unhelpful and just distracts from your own driving, plus raises the risk of a road rage incident.
As for the driving in that YouTube clip from back in 2003, there is nothing legendary about it. It is some of the most appalling driving I've seen and the fool that was doing it is just that, a fool. He should not have the keys to a decent car, or indeed any car without some proper training.
My only suggestion is that, as driving enthusiasts as I hope we are on this group, we overtake as respectfully as possible - i.e. not using lots of revs and noise when unnecessary (there is no reason to minimise time on the "wrong" side of the road if there is plenty of vision) and only adopting an overtaking position (closer than normal) when there is realistic possibility of an overtaking opportunity. Engaging in any sort of rebuke is unhelpful and just distracts from your own driving, plus raises the risk of a road rage incident.
As for the driving in that YouTube clip from back in 2003, there is nothing legendary about it. It is some of the most appalling driving I've seen and the fool that was doing it is just that, a fool. He should not have the keys to a decent car, or indeed any car without some proper training.
I actually seem to have more instances of women objecting to being overtaken both on motorways and other roads. Pre-covid it also seems to be more prevalent at 2-3 pm (when people are heading back to do the school run) than at 6-8pm (rush hour) despite there being more traffic at the latter and no visible kids around at either time.
Shuvi McTupya said:
Doesn't bother me in the slightest if people want to overtake me. I will generally give a little flash of my left hand indicator if someone is gaining fast and the road ahead is clear. I very rarely get overtaken though as I drive at a sensible speed..
It's exactly the same for me. I like to see a fair amount of overtaking going on, as long as it is being done safely. The idea that overtaking is some kind of sin is totally abhorrent to me.Andy20vt said:
I don't think so. On a long distance overtaking can save you quite a bit of time, but often the real reason I often overtake is to not be stuck behind another, or several other vehicles. Having a clear road ahead, with unobstructed vision, setting the speed that's most suitable for your vehicle and the conditions, yes even for a few short minutes, is wonderful. Sitting behind other vehicles being driven in a very over cautious fashion is often mind numbingly boring.
So much this! I have a simple rule, never turn down a safe and legal overtake. Those idiots that sit there for mile after mile in a queue of traffic and never overtake, then get all huffy if you dare to "push in front" can flash their lights and wave their arms all they like claiming that I "haven't got anywhere" but they are wrong, I am now in front of them and I can dictate how I drive, how fast or slow I take a corner, and it also makes it easier to overtake the next person in the chain until I am free and clear. I can't count the number of times I have worked my way to the front of a train of cars and managed to escape the drudgery of sitting behind a Zafailure who has decided to take out the fact that they lost at life on the rest of the world.Gassing Station | Advanced Driving | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff