Men and overtaking
Discussion
I'm not too bothered about being overtaken, although it happens rarely, as long as it's safe. Having said that, for the first time in a long time someone pulled an insane move on a line of cars including me only last week. We had all slowed to get round some cyclists on an NSL road so were bunched up and starting to accelerate again. From nowhere a diesel Astra comes flying past the line of 4 of us, crossing a solid white line on the brow of a hill and remaining on the wrong side of said white line for the entire manoeuvre. I'd love to know what was going through his head, had someone been coming the other way at NSL speed it would have been a fatal head to head, probably taking me and the others on my side out in the process.
I try to be careful and considerate when overtaking, but people definitely don't like it and sometimes do stupid things. I've been lucky enough to own/drive fast sports and supercars for the past few years, and I'm sure this is like a red rag to a bull to some people. I try and keep the closing speed down, especially for generally older people doing 40 on NSL roads, there's no need to go flying past them if you can get round them safely at 60. Likewise, indicating is a good idea and so is double checking the right mirror for idiots like Astra-man above before pulling out! People who try to accelerate when you draw level are the worst, although in that scenario I've got a few hundred extra bhp's over most other cars so just make use of it, you really can't win with some people.
I try to be careful and considerate when overtaking, but people definitely don't like it and sometimes do stupid things. I've been lucky enough to own/drive fast sports and supercars for the past few years, and I'm sure this is like a red rag to a bull to some people. I try and keep the closing speed down, especially for generally older people doing 40 on NSL roads, there's no need to go flying past them if you can get round them safely at 60. Likewise, indicating is a good idea and so is double checking the right mirror for idiots like Astra-man above before pulling out! People who try to accelerate when you draw level are the worst, although in that scenario I've got a few hundred extra bhp's over most other cars so just make use of it, you really can't win with some people.
waremark said:
coldel said:
The main issue is when people drive fast up behind you, tail gate whilst weaving out aggressively, then pass - can understand why people get frustrated at that.
I'm not clear what part of that you consider frustrating? Zetec-S said:
waremark said:
coldel said:
The main issue is when people drive fast up behind you, tail gate whilst weaving out aggressively, then pass - can understand why people get frustrated at that.
I'm not clear what part of that you consider frustrating? 
t drivers who think they are fast and good overtakers drive like. Which is why even if its frustrating to see such st driving, you just laugh at them. 
If you let the dog see the rabbit.
The dog will chase the rabbit.
Dog spelt backwards is GOD.
Rabbits are idiots.
We can learn a lot from dogs. If they cannot sh*g it and cannot eat it, they sniff it and then p*ss on it, not necessarily in that order, they may p*ss on it first, then try and eat it and then sh*g it. If you translate this to human male behaviour in a car then; you have just eaten a sausage roll from the garage, probably a ginsters, and done a stinky fart and need to get home quick to go to the toilet so you overtake the bimbling old Doris in front. Sometimes you may not need the toilet at all and sometimes you could find yourself eating a sausage roll whilst overtaking a Doris. And sometimes you overtake, because, why not.
The dog will chase the rabbit.
Dog spelt backwards is GOD.
Rabbits are idiots.
We can learn a lot from dogs. If they cannot sh*g it and cannot eat it, they sniff it and then p*ss on it, not necessarily in that order, they may p*ss on it first, then try and eat it and then sh*g it. If you translate this to human male behaviour in a car then; you have just eaten a sausage roll from the garage, probably a ginsters, and done a stinky fart and need to get home quick to go to the toilet so you overtake the bimbling old Doris in front. Sometimes you may not need the toilet at all and sometimes you could find yourself eating a sausage roll whilst overtaking a Doris. And sometimes you overtake, because, why not.
Countdown said:
amazing driver said:
coldel said:
The main issue is when people drive fast up behind you, tail gate whilst weaving out aggressively, then pass.
Are you dawdling? I never get this. t drivers exhibit this sort of driving. Really good fast road savvy drivers wouldn't. OK maybe 'frustrating' wasn't the right word, laughing and pointing as said bell-end overtakes thinking in their tiny mind that they are making progress is really the right way to go. This thread has been quite interesting reading.
Nearly every comment is (Paraphrasing here)
‘I don’t mind being overtaken’
This is the expected response, that everyone knows is also the correct answer.
The next thing in common is after the ‘I don’t mind’ phrase, come an expanding collective list of all of the criteria that is expected to be met, for this overtaking acceptance/ approval to be granted.
Must be safe (in your opinion)
Must be necessary (in your opinion)
Can’t have been seen to drive in any way differently, to the poster of the comment would, in the same situation.
Can’t have been seen driving over any posted speed limits.
Must not tailgate anyone.
Must not be driving any type of car or motorbike that doesn’t meet general approval.
Must not be driving / riding anything from a stereotypical group.
Must not make any specific facial expression, or look like they have no particular facial expression.
Must not overtake just before a downward change of speed limit.
The list goes on......
The next thing I’d note, is that in the opinions of the person posting, having not met the general specific individual criteria above in the circumstances, is all the harsh judgement and name calling.
Idiots in BMW, or Audi, other cars, driving too fast, slow, wrong in some other way etc.
Everyone is a dangerous idiot. They must think this and that incorrect ‘thing’ based on your different and actually correct judgement.
Having not met all of this criteria and overtaken anyway, there are then tales of accelerating, flashing and amusing retribution dished out to those dangerous idiots.
There are always exceptions to everything of course, but on this thread generally....
The collective view here, is that is our own minds, that we are all driving in the correct manner, at the correct speed and in the correct vehicle.
Everyone else (with rare exceptions) is an idiot and doing it all wrong.
So PH members are the ones flashing, and perpetrators of other poor behaviours.
They are the ones driving like idiots in Audi, BMW, other wrong cars and breaking the speed limits.
So if we want to overtake a vehicle we catch up with, we must first read the mind of the person driving that vehicle.
We must approach correctly in the opinion of the other driver.
We should wear the correct facial expression and position ourselves at the correct distance and height in the lane.
We must not manoeuvre for a better view more than the correct amount.
We must then wait for the correct time in their opinion and pass at the correct speed dB level and distance.
We must do so with the correct view ahead in their opinion and return to the near side in the correct manner.
Given the other driver could be anywhere on the crazy scale from 0 (all of us obvs) to 100, how is anyone going to get this all correct in the other drivers opinions?
Nearly every comment is (Paraphrasing here)
‘I don’t mind being overtaken’
This is the expected response, that everyone knows is also the correct answer.
The next thing in common is after the ‘I don’t mind’ phrase, come an expanding collective list of all of the criteria that is expected to be met, for this overtaking acceptance/ approval to be granted.
Must be safe (in your opinion)
Must be necessary (in your opinion)
Can’t have been seen to drive in any way differently, to the poster of the comment would, in the same situation.
Can’t have been seen driving over any posted speed limits.
Must not tailgate anyone.
Must not be driving any type of car or motorbike that doesn’t meet general approval.
Must not be driving / riding anything from a stereotypical group.
Must not make any specific facial expression, or look like they have no particular facial expression.
Must not overtake just before a downward change of speed limit.
The list goes on......
The next thing I’d note, is that in the opinions of the person posting, having not met the general specific individual criteria above in the circumstances, is all the harsh judgement and name calling.
Idiots in BMW, or Audi, other cars, driving too fast, slow, wrong in some other way etc.
Everyone is a dangerous idiot. They must think this and that incorrect ‘thing’ based on your different and actually correct judgement.
Having not met all of this criteria and overtaken anyway, there are then tales of accelerating, flashing and amusing retribution dished out to those dangerous idiots.
There are always exceptions to everything of course, but on this thread generally....
The collective view here, is that is our own minds, that we are all driving in the correct manner, at the correct speed and in the correct vehicle.
Everyone else (with rare exceptions) is an idiot and doing it all wrong.
So PH members are the ones flashing, and perpetrators of other poor behaviours.
They are the ones driving like idiots in Audi, BMW, other wrong cars and breaking the speed limits.
So if we want to overtake a vehicle we catch up with, we must first read the mind of the person driving that vehicle.
We must approach correctly in the opinion of the other driver.
We should wear the correct facial expression and position ourselves at the correct distance and height in the lane.
We must not manoeuvre for a better view more than the correct amount.
We must then wait for the correct time in their opinion and pass at the correct speed dB level and distance.
We must do so with the correct view ahead in their opinion and return to the near side in the correct manner.
Given the other driver could be anywhere on the crazy scale from 0 (all of us obvs) to 100, how is anyone going to get this all correct in the other drivers opinions?
WhiskyDisco said:
How about being overtaken at the speed limit only to pull up behind the car at the next junction/traffic lights? I don't get cross, but I do wonder to myself what sort of person is so insistent on "making progress" that they can't bear to have another car in front of them.
I live zone 3 London, and overtaking is a completely fruitless exercise for this very reason. In fact it introduces an element of risk not needed because no progress is being made 
WhiskyDisco said:
How about being overtaken at the speed limit only to pull up behind the car at the next junction/traffic lights? I don't get cross, but I do wonder to myself what sort of person is so insistent on "making progress" that they can't bear to have another car in front of them.
It’s just somebody who was traveling at a different slightly higher number of MPH then you were. The next junction/traffic lights etc might be near, or far from the point they pass you so insistently.
After the possible interruption, they might continue to travel at a slightly higher number of MPH than you deem appropriate.
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