"IAM Observer" Dashcam disaster
Discussion
StressedDave said:
Just a few thoughts...
1) High overall road speed (and yes I am advoating speeding here as our limits are very low)
Where? Do you significantly exceed the speed limits in say, 30 limits? Part of allegedly good driving is managing the expectation of others. Simple example - it is dumb to flash past a junction at a higher speed where turning traffic (turning out rather than turning in) is assessing your speed on the expected speed and how far away from the junction. Yes, you can jam the anchors on is necessary, but that's hardly great driving having to react to something last minute
2) Extensive knowledge of static speed camera locations as well as common mobile vans spots in your local but also wider area.
So, basically you're saying know where you could drastically exceed the speed limit
3) Confidence to overtake on A roads but also within the cities as well.
Former, absolutely. Not sure about the latter unless 1) extends to city areas.
4) Good mental pace for decision making ie. is the gap big enough etc.
So all about the overtaking then...
5) Good car control/knowledge ie. knowing your brakes and their capability plus being aware of your cars 'get up and go' when you hit the loud pedal.
What about the getting around the corners at a safe speed, or is it all about the straight line?
6) Ability to handle external and internal distractions with ease ie. driving past some fit birds or even opening a Ginsters steak slice or can of Coke.
Top trolling... not that I'm against a bit of amateur ornithology myself
FWIW I'm a member of neither IAM nor ROSPA. I might have paddled a little at the edges of the pool of advanced driving though. And yes, a large number of 'practitioners' of the 'art' are so far up themselves that they can lick their own tonsils.
My personal 6:
1) Being able to stop before hitting something/someone and giving everyone else as much chance as possible to follow the same rule
2) Realising that every driver on the road is an idiot, including me. We all do things that make everyone else go WTF
3) An accurate sense of pace - being as happy driving really slowly as opening the taps. A sign of the true greats is their ability to ease their way through a town centre with everything happening around them but not to them.
4) Good tool selection. Sometimes hard braking combining heel and to into a tightening corner is just what is needed, sometimes just slowing the f
k down is better.
5) An ability to make progress - chosing to overtake when you're actually going to make the car behind disappear rather than overtaking just because you can. Hedge hopping 20 cars is normally a sign of someone whose bks are controlling their brain.
6) An ability to not scare the natives. Understanding that the second person to the accident scene is the one with the best view of your driving leading up to an impact. For example easing passed on an overtake and moving away at a reasonable speed gives a far better impression that opening the taps as wide as possible.
1) Yes I would. As for turning traffic, it's literally their job to judge my speed and make allowances for it (thats were judging the gap comes in) 1) High overall road speed (and yes I am advoating speeding here as our limits are very low)
Where? Do you significantly exceed the speed limits in say, 30 limits? Part of allegedly good driving is managing the expectation of others. Simple example - it is dumb to flash past a junction at a higher speed where turning traffic (turning out rather than turning in) is assessing your speed on the expected speed and how far away from the junction. Yes, you can jam the anchors on is necessary, but that's hardly great driving having to react to something last minute
2) Extensive knowledge of static speed camera locations as well as common mobile vans spots in your local but also wider area.
So, basically you're saying know where you could drastically exceed the speed limit
3) Confidence to overtake on A roads but also within the cities as well.
Former, absolutely. Not sure about the latter unless 1) extends to city areas.
4) Good mental pace for decision making ie. is the gap big enough etc.
So all about the overtaking then...
5) Good car control/knowledge ie. knowing your brakes and their capability plus being aware of your cars 'get up and go' when you hit the loud pedal.
What about the getting around the corners at a safe speed, or is it all about the straight line?
6) Ability to handle external and internal distractions with ease ie. driving past some fit birds or even opening a Ginsters steak slice or can of Coke.
Top trolling... not that I'm against a bit of amateur ornithology myself
FWIW I'm a member of neither IAM nor ROSPA. I might have paddled a little at the edges of the pool of advanced driving though. And yes, a large number of 'practitioners' of the 'art' are so far up themselves that they can lick their own tonsils.
My personal 6:
1) Being able to stop before hitting something/someone and giving everyone else as much chance as possible to follow the same rule
2) Realising that every driver on the road is an idiot, including me. We all do things that make everyone else go WTF
3) An accurate sense of pace - being as happy driving really slowly as opening the taps. A sign of the true greats is their ability to ease their way through a town centre with everything happening around them but not to them.
4) Good tool selection. Sometimes hard braking combining heel and to into a tightening corner is just what is needed, sometimes just slowing the f
k down is better.5) An ability to make progress - chosing to overtake when you're actually going to make the car behind disappear rather than overtaking just because you can. Hedge hopping 20 cars is normally a sign of someone whose b
ks are controlling their brain.6) An ability to not scare the natives. Understanding that the second person to the accident scene is the one with the best view of your driving leading up to an impact. For example easing passed on an overtake and moving away at a reasonable speed gives a far better impression that opening the taps as wide as possible.
2) It's usefull to know where the safe spaces are as you cannot cruise at 120mph everywhere in Devon, only select parts of the A38.
3) 1 does indeed extended to city areas and I will overtake where I see fit and if that's a 20 or a 30 etc. I will.
4) Overtaking is important and to be honest, I spend a lot of time on the other side of the road as I will overtake for enjoyment rather than 'progress' sometimes.
5) Handling is important, you're right I forgot that one. I have seen a few people tip their cars into cloverleafs to fast and run wide. Even in my car 80mph is right on the edge of it's capabilties around those clovers.
6) It's important. No good being Lewis Hamilton if you get distracted by the birds (of the human female variety) of course or even just some talking in the car.
rewild said:
If you don't want to do it, fine, it's not compulsory. But you're very wrong, and clearly have no idea what AD is. You know you're in the AD forum here, where most people DO know what it is, so maybe when they say you're wrong, you might take that to heart and wonder if it's just possible that you are?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Krug...
I am very wrong am I? I guarantee I would out drive Ashley in terms of overall pace and to me that's what matters. He maybe safer with less 'risk' but this risk of an accident is a bit like a drop of rain in the Sahara; few and far between. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Krug...
Starfighter said:
Many moons ago I used to be an observer and tended to have the "difficult" candidates pushed in my direction. I had a couple of people with this type of attitude and they were by far the worst of first assessment and hardest to teach. Everything was an up hill battle.
Of those 6 "attributes" I would only give you point 4 as even remotely defensive in nature and that is marginal and only really in the context of assessing safety distances etc.
Edited by Starfighter on Monday 25th July 10:01
Dixy said:
Attending a track day a few years back there were 2 local lads who had won their attendance in a local paper.
Chatting to them beforehand they had exactly your view on the instructors that were there. Their first session was yellow flagged several times as they went grass cutting and red flagged to get them out of the kitty litter.
The time with the instructor was then made mandatory and after that they started to have some fun. Chatting to them at lunch they made 2 interesting comments, how much quicker they could now get through a series of bends and how much they still thought they could learn.
Everyone is like that on their first track day, took me a few laps to get to grips with my uncles Jaguar F-Type and only went on the grass once all day. Can't blame them if it's their first day. Chatting to them beforehand they had exactly your view on the instructors that were there. Their first session was yellow flagged several times as they went grass cutting and red flagged to get them out of the kitty litter.
The time with the instructor was then made mandatory and after that they started to have some fun. Chatting to them at lunch they made 2 interesting comments, how much quicker they could now get through a series of bends and how much they still thought they could learn.
rewild said:
If you don't want to do it, fine, it's not compulsory. But you're very wrong, and clearly have no idea what AD is. You know you're in the AD forum here, where most people DO know what it is, so maybe when they say you're wrong, you might take that to heart and wonder if it's just possible that you are?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Krug...
I refuse to accept that a test can out do experiance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Krug...
_Hoppers said:
Top one for me is having an enthusiastic attitude towards learning and improving your driving and accepting you're not the driving god you think you are! If someone can't accept there are valuable skills to be learnt on an advanced driving course then there's no hope!
Please list these 'valuable skills' that I could learn? 150234 said:
_Hoppers said:
Top one for me is having an enthusiastic attitude towards learning and improving your driving and accepting you're not the driving god you think you are! If someone can't accept there are valuable skills to be learnt on an advanced driving course then there's no hope!
Please list these 'valuable skills' that I could learn? 150234 said:
… To drive on the road you DO NOT need driving skills as it is simply just 'point and shoot' to use a Call of Duty phrase.
Do you actually have a driving licence? How have you ended up wasting your time making fatuous comments on an advanced driving forum? Are you trolling because you have reached 100 tiers and are just bored and with nothing else to do?150234 said:
I guess we drive very differently.
It would appear so. I drive defensively and always have done. This doesn't stop me making progress and I am rarely the one being overtaken away from the motorway. Your driving style based on what you have said is about speed at the expense of safety bi would be untested to find out what a police traffic offices would think sitting along side you.
PhilAsia said:
Clear, concise instruction...
His student was not benefitting in the video below...well, I would have been beating myself up if I was instructing in that manner.
His choice of language to describe the other driver is not something I would want a student to hear.
His not knowing about IAM was telling...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdT8GwiOtPc
I only managed a few seconds of this in reality, but sHis student was not benefitting in the video below...well, I would have been beating myself up if I was instructing in that manner.
His choice of language to describe the other driver is not something I would want a student to hear.
His not knowing about IAM was telling...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdT8GwiOtPc
te on the whole._Hoppers said:
On roads you don’t know, how fast do you know how to take a corner, especially those you cannot see through? The answer isn’t through experience!
Actually, yes it is. You should have a rough idea of your cars capability and if you do have to break mid corner the weight transfer buries the front tyres into the road anyway which gives you more grip which isn't quite trail breaking as that tends to be planned. Please don't say anything along the lines of "only go as fast as what allows you to stop in the distance you can see" or whatever.
Explain how a level 2 learner test for slow drivers gives you the capability to drive around corners you don't know.
johnao said:
Do you actually have a driving licence? How have you ended up wasting your time making fatuous comments on an advanced driving forum? Are you trolling because you have reached 100 tiers and are just bored and with nothing else to do?
They aren't fatuous, they are simply my opinion as I do not believe in this whole slow and steady 'risk management' method of driving, it's not a good thing to teach people as it breeds roundabout bimbling, middle lane hogging, 40mph sliproad joinging, 20mph driving s. PhilAsia said:
Clear, concise instruction...
His student was not benefitting in the video below...well, I would have been beating myself up if I was instructing in that manner.
His choice of language to describe the other driver is not something I would want a student to hear.
His not knowing about IAM was telling...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdT8GwiOtPc
Didn't watch much, but I thought the title of the video 'tailgating panics learner' was ironic because I thought it was the instructor who was causing stress to the learner. However, I suspect that was a bad example of his instructing.His student was not benefitting in the video below...well, I would have been beating myself up if I was instructing in that manner.
His choice of language to describe the other driver is not something I would want a student to hear.
His not knowing about IAM was telling...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdT8GwiOtPc
waremark said:
Let's hope they live long enough!
Please please don't encourage your GF to drive like you do.
You would prefer a 'risk manager' who drives like Ashley in a 500hp M3? Way over thinks driving when it is literally a case of get in and go. Please please don't encourage your GF to drive like you do.
He just needs to get his foot down and max it out.
waremark said:
Didn't watch much, but I thought the title of the video 'tailgating panics learner' was ironic because I thought it was the instructor who was causing stress to the learner. However, I suspect that was a bad example of his instructing.
To be fair, I can sympathize with the car behind, the learner was very slow. I have never undestood why people get upset when they are tailgated as it's not your fault if they crash into you. It's literally their problem.
Starfighter said:
It would appear so. I drive defensively and always have done. This doesn't stop me making progress and I am rarely the one being overtaken away from the motorway.
Your driving style based on what you have said is about speed at the expense of safety bi would be untested to find out what a police traffic offices would think sitting along side you.
You see I am very much offensive, I don’t do defensive, I WILL undertake, overtake, change multiple at once lanes etc. and also go up and over slip roads to jump slow moving traffic. I rarely drop below 80 on the duel carriageway (other than the 5 regular camera spots on the 50mi journey) as it feels to slow. You may make progress, but it’s unlikely to be as much as me. Your driving style based on what you have said is about speed at the expense of safety bi would be untested to find out what a police traffic offices would think sitting along side you.
There is is being safe and then there is obsessing over it like Ashley does. Speed is important to me as it’s enjoyable and as for the road pigs, my local force ain’t got the budget for many mobile vans or traffic pigs so I don’t need to worry. The ones that are easy to spot even if they’re unmarked.
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