Roundabouts, giving way & priority
Discussion
DaveCWK said:
If you are waiting to join a roundabout, and there is a car approaching from a join to the right that is not yet at or on the roundabout, do you have a right of way/priority if you join (i.e cross the white dashed line) the roundabout before them?
Ignore all this s
te about "should you even be driving". It's a legitimate question and the answer is not clearly stated one way or the other because there are too many variables.Use common sense and judgement. If your behaviour is putting you into conflict with other road users on any kind of regular basis, you are doing something wrong.
Bennet said:
Ignore all this ste about "should you even be driving". It's a legitimate question and the answer is not clearly stated one way or the other because there are too many variables.
Can you explain why this should be ignored? te about "should you even be driving". It's a legitimate question and the answer is not clearly stated one way or the other because there are too many variables.You should have the experience on what to do in these situations when you were learning to drive. If you are still learning then fair enough but if you have passed your test, then maybe you shouldn't have if you don't understand.
I understand that while learning you aren't going to come across every single variation of a situation but these are fairly common and unless you aren't from the UK and never seen a roundabout. Then I can't see why you wouldn't know what to do.
DaveCWK said:
If you are waiting to join a roundabout, and there is a car approaching from a join to the right that is not yet at or on the roundabout, do you have a right of way/priority if you join (i.e cross the white dashed line) the roundabout before them?
I don't understand why everyone seems to have a problem with this... the Highway Code wording is a bit ambiguous, but surely the meaning is clear.I think the easiest way to imagine it is that the roundabout is a circular, one way road.
If someone is ON the roundabout, then they have priority... and are obviously 'coming from your right'.
Someone half a mile down an road 'to your right' can't come steaming on to the roundabout and effectively catch you up.
Just as you can't pull out of a side road and then charge up behind someone already on that 'main' road.
Nomex pants are on.
hammo19 said:
Just note that separate rules apply in Milton Keynes....it's a free for all situation
I had said earlier in this thread that the mistakes drivers make is not to treat a roundabout as a junction and therefore not slowing down as you approach.I stand corrected. I hadn't accounted for MK where roundabout are not junctions but considered chicanes for getting the back end out and testing the handling of your vehicle. It is the only place to do that because you are not allowed to slide your car on track days due to noise restrictions.
SkodaIan said:
Try reading highway code 185:
"When approaching a roundabout, you should:
You should try reading Common Sense 101."When approaching a roundabout, you should:
- Give priority to traffic approaching from your right....."
I say this because your comment did not address the original question at all.
You have not been back so I assume you were trolling.
QBee said:
The rule is actually gender specific.
If you're a bloke driving, then if the gap is big enough to get into without actually causing anyone else to have to slam on, you go.
If you're a female driving, if you can see any other vehicle moving anywhere, even a mile away, you stay right were you are.
Ain't that the truth! If you're a bloke driving, then if the gap is big enough to get into without actually causing anyone else to have to slam on, you go.
If you're a female driving, if you can see any other vehicle moving anywhere, even a mile away, you stay right were you are.
DaveCWK said:
If you are waiting to join a roundabout, and there is a car approaching from a join to the right that is not yet at or on the roundabout, do you have a right of way/priority if you join (i.e cross the white dashed line) the roundabout before them?
You never have a right of way so stop thinking you have, in the situation you describe you have to judge whether you can clear them before you come into conflict, so that's about judgement. What's their approach speed and what is the general attitude of the car in terms of braking/road positioning etc...then is the way clear in front of you, what about the road conditions dry, wet, icy? All need to be taken in to consideration when entering a roundabout. You have no right of way the only thing you must do is be prepared to give way to avoid an incident.
DaveCWK said:
If you are waiting to join a roundabout, and there is a car approaching from a join to the right that is not yet at or on the roundabout, do you have a right of way/priority if you join (i.e cross the white dashed line) the roundabout before them?
Wait, if the car approaching will have to slow down due to your moving off.Wait, if the car approaching will not be able to exit the roundabout due to your vehicle stopping in traffic and blocking their exit (edit: to leave the the roundabout).
Basically, how you would like others to treat you.....(unless you're a masochist
)Edited by PhilAsia on Sunday 25th June 11:43
PhilAsia said:
Wait, if the car approaching will have to slow down due to your moving off.
This is incorrect because it does not account for speed, which could be inappropriate.We have all seen dashcam videos where a driver enters a roundabout at speed then leans on their horn because another vehicle has already joined the roundabout from the left in front of them.
An element of common sense is required in these situations, but generally speaking if a vehicle reaches the white line and there is no other vehicle to the right already on the roundabout, then there is nobody to give way to so the vehicle can enter the roundabout.
QBee said:
The rule is actually gender specific.
If you're a bloke driving, then if the gap is big enough to get into without actually causing anyone else to have to slam on, you go.
If you're a female driving, if you can see any other vehicle moving anywhere, even a mile away, you stay right were you are.
Why even write nonsense like this?If you're a bloke driving, then if the gap is big enough to get into without actually causing anyone else to have to slam on, you go.
If you're a female driving, if you can see any other vehicle moving anywhere, even a mile away, you stay right were you are.
i_alan_i said:
QBee said:
The rule is actually gender specific.
If you're a bloke driving, then if the gap is big enough to get into without actually causing anyone else to have to slam on, you go.
If you're a female driving, if you can see any other vehicle moving anywhere, even a mile away, you stay right were you are.
Why even write nonsense like this?If you're a bloke driving, then if the gap is big enough to get into without actually causing anyone else to have to slam on, you go.
If you're a female driving, if you can see any other vehicle moving anywhere, even a mile away, you stay right were you are.
‘Deliberately exposing yourself, with the intent that someone sees it, and be caused alarm or distress’
Part of the confusion is caused be the Highway Code and the rules. In summary Highway Code traffic from the right has priority. Govt road markings rules show that if the entry to the roundabout is marked with a single dashed line - give way to the right but if it is marked with a double dashed line then traffic on the major road I.e. roundabout, has priority.
Around my way most of the lines have worn away.
Around my way most of the lines have worn away.
Ron240 said:
PhilAsia said:
Wait, if the car approaching will have to slow down due to your moving off.
This is incorrect because it does not account for speed, which could be inappropriate.Why would you move off if the speed is inappropriate?
Ron240 said:
We have all seen dashcam videos where a driver enters a roundabout at speed then leans on their horn because another vehicle has already joined the roundabout from the left in front of them.
My advice is to wait.Ron240 said:
An element of common sense is required in these situations, but generally speaking if a vehicle reaches the white line and there is no other vehicle to the right already on the roundabout, then there is nobody to give way to so the vehicle can enter the roundabout.
I agree, an element of common sense is required. Take for instance a roundabout that is more oval in shape, one vehicle can approach at a far higher speed than another vehicle - one has far more steering and therefore a lower speed than the other. The safe practice would be to wait if moving off would cause your vehicle to impede another's swifter progress. PhilAsia said:
Why would you move off if the speed is inappropriate?
My advice is to wait.
The safe practice would be to wait if moving off would cause your vehicle to impede another's swifter progress.
It is the vehicle approaching from a road on the right that could have innapropriate speed.My advice is to wait.
The safe practice would be to wait if moving off would cause your vehicle to impede another's swifter progress.
You want to avoid confrontation, which is never a bad thing...but in so doing you can be enabling poor driving standards in others.
One should always be entering a roundabout with a degree of caution and be prepared to stop if needed, but some drivers come barreling onto a roundabout and expect others already on it to move out of their way.
Yes I do get what you are saying though, and a pet hate of mine is when a driver immediately in front of me slows to an unnecessary level before entering a clear roundabout
Ron240 said:
PhilAsia said:
Why would you move off if the speed is inappropriate?
My advice is to wait.
The safe practice would be to wait if moving off would cause your vehicle to impede another's swifter progress.
It is the vehicle approaching from a road on the right that could have innapropriate speed.My advice is to wait.
The safe practice would be to wait if moving off would cause your vehicle to impede another's swifter progress.
Ron240 said:
You want to avoid confrontation, which is never a bad thing...but in so doing you can be enabling poor driving standards in others.
I am not a law enforcement officer, so I have to conduct myself as though everyone has poor driving standards. Even when I am being paid to improve a driver's standard, I cannot force people to follow any advice. Only explain where, what, when, why and how, etc.
Ron240 said:
One should always be entering a roundabout with a degree of caution and be prepared to stop if needed, but some drivers come barreling onto a roundabout and expect others already on it to move out of their way.
And when they do, I do... I want to arrive at my destination in a similarly-shaped vehicle to the one I started the journey in.Ron240 said:
Yes I do get what you are saying though, and a pet hate of mine is when a driver immediately in front of me slows to an unnecessary level before entering a clear roundabout
I would make allowances in your drive for slow and fast drivers then. Not everyone drives at a perfect speed.PhilAsia
I will defer to you on this occasion because you have an attitude and practice towards driving (and use of the quote system) that many are not prepared to do.
I can see that we would probably agree on more than we disagree on in regards to driving, but there is nothing to be gained for either of us from continuing this debate.
I will defer to you on this occasion because you have an attitude and practice towards driving (and use of the quote system) that many are not prepared to do.
I can see that we would probably agree on more than we disagree on in regards to driving, but there is nothing to be gained for either of us from continuing this debate.
Ron240 said:
PhilAsia
I will defer to you on this occasion because you have an attitude and practice towards driving (and use of the quote system) that many are not prepared to do.
I live in the Philippines, where sadly, safety is neglected from the top down and where limpet-like obstinate resistance to change is legendary. Much of driving associated safety issues boil down to attitude - mine was U-turned when I started teaching in the 80's. Teaching was a real eye-opener for me and work on myself is still in progress.I will defer to you on this occasion because you have an attitude and practice towards driving (and use of the quote system) that many are not prepared to do.
The UK has one of the best driving safety records in the world, of which I am very proud to be part of. Further advancing that safety is my only goal and that extends to the PH.
As an example, the UK has 5 deaths per 100,000 vehicles, the PH has 135.
On my first 1000km drive here I saw three motorcyclists that were probably dead through RTAs. I was forced to leave the road on several occasions to avoid oncoming overtaking inter-city buses - something of a common occurrence here. Had to stop rounding a left-hand bend and also on the brow of a hill as a bus was on my side of the road, again overtaking.
In Manila, of the 4,500 taxis I have taken only one would have passed the UK driving test and the majority would have failed within the first 500m.
On the other hand, much of Asia is the perfect environment to train as hazards that may occur every 1000km, happen every 100m.
Ron240 said:
I can see that we would probably agree on more than we disagree on in regards to driving, but there is nothing to be gained for either of us from continuing this debate.
True. We have made or points. I am absolutely sure we would agree on the majority of driving related stuff and where we do not hopefully we have given food for thought.Edited by PhilAsia on Monday 26th June 06:51
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