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StressedDave said:
Oi Samuels, stop stirring the 
von has a specific role which is to make sure that those people he trains drive to a consistent system within an ever-decreasing timeframe for the ability and knowledge to be absorbed. This means that they have to be taught almost by rote if you like - and that's probably a demeaning and very poor way of describing the process. Here we're talking about enthusiast drivers.
Enthusiast drivers have plenty of time to develop those skills a little more naturally and so can produce the same sort of results in a different way - to stretch the point a little, they should be doing mirror checks when they need to be doing mirror checks and not when they are told to do mirror checks.
Indeed Dave.
With unlimited timeframes, experiential learning, with ownership of problems & resolutions explored & provided by the candidate themselves, is preferrable if it will lead to a greater understanding. The instructor's job there is more about providing a safe climate & opportunities to maximise that learning, without being too prescriptive. The client/candidate can set their own aims & objectives.
In my training the client & candidate are not one & the same. The training is paid for (at great expense) by the client & provided to the candidate. It has to address the needs of & benefit both, but due to it's nature, with a set syllabus, timeframe & required minimum competency standards, it is also very prescriptive in many ways.
Some candidates prefer just being told what to do, some do not. People have their own individual preferred learning methods. Those that prefer the type of learning I described in my first paragraph, don't tend to have enough allocated time on their courses to absorb the required amount of learning by that method. Most on this training are not enthuasiasts or what you may even call naturally gifted drivers. They are though being equipped to safely & reliably perform a demanding role.
>> Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 27th April 23:41
Useful post, thanks VH. I had a play with your mirror punctuation method in commentary this morning.
Three things arise:-
i) I could do more mirror checks, although I'm not entirely convinced they would all be useful
ii) Portobello Road on market day is not the place to be trying to spot hazards and do commentary on them. My mouth doesn't move that fast. "Multiple" is a good weasel word.
iii) Nor indeed in an open-top car, where the hazards can hear you talking about them, and have ripe fruit to hand.
Three things arise:-
i) I could do more mirror checks, although I'm not entirely convinced they would all be useful
ii) Portobello Road on market day is not the place to be trying to spot hazards and do commentary on them. My mouth doesn't move that fast. "Multiple" is a good weasel word.
iii) Nor indeed in an open-top car, where the hazards can hear you talking about them, and have ripe fruit to hand.
7db said:
Three things arise:-
i) I could do more mirror checks, although I'm not entirely convinced they would all be useful.
Circumstances won't always change between each, but you'll be guaranteed to not miss change when it does happen.
7db said:
ii) Portobello Road on market day is not the place to be trying to spot hazards and do commentary on them. My mouth doesn't move that fast. "Multiple" is a good weasel word.
You can never mention everything, stick to the core of mirrors/system & priroritise the hazards you will talk about (whilst dealing with all).
7db said:
iii) Nor indeed in an open-top car, where the hazards can hear you talking about them, and have ripe fruit to hand.
Be only complimentary when talking about people who can hear you (especially if they are armed with over ripe fruit).
>> Edited by vonhosen on Friday 28th April 16:48
ipsg.glf said:
von
Could you hazard a guess at the typical cost of putting a candidate through a standard response and advanced response course?
Advanced course is about £7,500 a car (I think) so that's £2.5k each, based on 3 students per car. Response course (which obviously must be completed first, prior to the advanced course) is about half that.
vonhosen said:
von
Could you hazard a guess at the typical cost of putting a candidate through a standard response and advanced response course?
Advanced course is about £7,500 a car (I think) so that's £2.5k each, based on 3 students per car. Response course (which obviously must be completed first, prior to the advanced course) is about half that.
Coo, cheap! They can't be paying their senior instructors enough.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
vonhosen said:
von
Could you hazard a guess at the typical cost of putting a candidate through a standard response and advanced response course?
Advanced course is about £7,500 a car (I think) so that's £2.5k each, based on 3 students per car. Response course (which obviously must be completed first, prior to the advanced course) is about half that.
Thank you.
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