Which Advanced Drivers Do This?
Discussion
Rick448 said:
TripleS said:
I've recently started thinking a bit more about how I steer, and one of the things I've realised I do is palm the wheel as I straighten up after a very tight corner taken at low speed. Is that OK Rick? 
In many cases we do things automatically without realising quite how we do them....like....which leg do you put first into your trousers in a morning?
I'll bet you don't know!
Best wishes all,
Dave.
In many cases we do things automatically without realising quite how we do them....like....which leg do you put first into your trousers in a morning?
I'll bet you don't know! Best wishes all,
Dave.
You can do whatever pleases you Dave, as i'm sure you do
I'm was speaking for what i will accept with my students. If i allowed that then they'd be steering with knees whilst rolling a ciggie! You know how it is i'm sure! I personally never palm the wheel at all and have never found a reason to. But each to their own i guess. I find a big handfull ala rotational will get lock off sufficiently.Thanks Rick.
I just do whatever is easy and natural, so long as it proves itself to give a reliable result. Your situation with your students is a different matter of course. It's funny you should mention steering with knees though, 'cos it just so happens that I've found that a useful tool to have in the box - Von should be pleased about that. It goes along with right handed gear changes in special situations! The business of palming the wheel is a relatively new one to me, but apparently Von finds it useful for high speed reversing through a slalom course.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Someone drove his corsa into the back end of one of my colleagues cars a few years ago.
The bloke in the corsa had a mashed up face, and a broken hand, because he was holding the top of the wheel in one hand, so when the airbag went off he punched himself in the face.
That'll learn him
The bloke in the corsa had a mashed up face, and a broken hand, because he was holding the top of the wheel in one hand, so when the airbag went off he punched himself in the face.
That'll learn him
Jungles said:
* The steering wheel is not manipulated using only one hand unnecessarily.
* The steering wheel is not completely released unnecessarily.
Not meaning to be confrontational, but if a viable alternative steering method (ie push/pull) is available, hand-over-hand which manipulates the wheel with one hand, or releases it completely, is never 'necessary'.
The above obviously recognises that one hand/hands off the wheel is A Bad Thing (tm) - it might be justified in certain circumstances (and the police roadcraft training I had was that push-pull might well not provide sufficiently rapid turning of the wheel during certain maneuvers at either very low, or high speed) but if that's the case, it's misleading to suggest hand-over-hand is a good baseline alternative, rather than to be avoided unless a steering method that provides more contact (and hence potential control) with the wheel is for some reason inappeopriate.
Tol
Anatol said:
Jungles said:
* The steering wheel is not manipulated using only one hand unnecessarily.
* The steering wheel is not completely released unnecessarily.
Not meaning to be confrontational, but if a viable alternative steering method (ie push/pull) is available, hand-over-hand which manipulates the wheel with one hand, or releases it completely, is never 'necessary'.
The above obviously recognises that one hand/hands off the wheel is A Bad Thing (tm) - it might be justified in certain circumstances (and the police roadcraft training I had was that push-pull might well not provide sufficiently rapid turning of the wheel during certain maneuvers at either very low, or high speed) but if that's the case, it's misleading to suggest hand-over-hand is a good baseline alternative, rather than to be avoided unless a steering method that provides more contact (and hence potential control) with the wheel is for some reason inappeopriate.
Tol
Steering is a complex art and I don't think you can be *completely* prescriptive about it. Or rather, you can be prescriptive but it won't necessarily end up with the best possible technique for a given individual/situation.
Try this, it makes for interesting reading, from an acclaimed expert.
www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=109&i=8194
Personally I've never had a problem with pull-push for normal road use. Very very slow driving sometimes benefits from a different method, particularly in reverse, but I've never had a situation at any legal road speed that required anything other than pull-push.
Each to his own, it's all learning.
Regards
Sally
www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=109&i=8194
Personally I've never had a problem with pull-push for normal road use. Very very slow driving sometimes benefits from a different method, particularly in reverse, but I've never had a situation at any legal road speed that required anything other than pull-push.
Each to his own, it's all learning.
Regards
Sally
Do alternative methods enable you to balance / control the vehicle safely and allow you to perform 'other necessary acts' of driving correctly, if so, fine.
By others acts I mean things like signalling etc. 'Pull-push' allows you to signal whilst still keeping both hands on the wheel.
By others acts I mean things like signalling etc. 'Pull-push' allows you to signal whilst still keeping both hands on the wheel.
Edited by Solos on Monday 31st July 09:52
Hi, This is my 1st post so go easy on me.
I think that it's good to teach people how to pass the steering wheel - because it's alot safer than some of the bad habits I see out there all the time - I'm just an odinary road user.
I think the worst things to do are Palming, grabbing the inside of the wheel, crossing arms before a tight corner to get the extra lock, one handed.
The key is to think about where your going and reacting - this applies to all speeds.
I think that it's good to teach people how to pass the steering wheel - because it's alot safer than some of the bad habits I see out there all the time - I'm just an odinary road user.
I think the worst things to do are Palming, grabbing the inside of the wheel, crossing arms before a tight corner to get the extra lock, one handed.
The key is to think about where your going and reacting - this applies to all speeds.
townrow said:
Hi, This is my 1st post so go easy on me.
I think that it's good to teach people how to pass the steering wheel - because it's alot safer than some of the bad habits I see out there all the time - I'm just an odinary road user.
I think the worst things to do are Palming, grabbing the inside of the wheel, crossing arms before a tight corner to get the extra lock, one handed.
The key is to think about where your going and reacting - this applies to all speeds.
I think that it's good to teach people how to pass the steering wheel - because it's alot safer than some of the bad habits I see out there all the time - I'm just an odinary road user.
I think the worst things to do are Palming, grabbing the inside of the wheel, crossing arms before a tight corner to get the extra lock, one handed.
The key is to think about where your going and reacting - this applies to all speeds.
Hello David and welcome.
Hmm, I think we've got one or two things we could talk about there, but I'll not upset the applecart immediately. I'm already in enough trouble elsewhere - can't imagine why!
Best wishes all,
Dave.
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