Simple question on commentary

Simple question on commentary

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Flat in Fifth

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44,144 posts

252 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
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Disagreement with one of the other trainers today.

Approaching roundabout which has roads entering at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o clock.

Keeping it simple.

If I'm doing commentary, "approaching roundabout 4 exits"
Him, "Approaching roundabout 3 exits"
Me "What do you say if you want to go through 360 degrees then?"
Him, "Approaching roundabout 3 exits, intend to go all way round and return on current road in opposite direction."
Me "Approaching roundabout 4 exits, plan take 4th exit."

As they say in union negotiations, registered a failure to agree.

Adjudication and comments muchly appreciated.

Kinky

39,575 posts

270 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
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There are 4 potential exits, therefore you are correct by stating as such.

IMHO..

K

GreenV8S

30,213 posts

285 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
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Not in a position to adjudicate, being utterly hopeless at commentary and having no idea how to do it properly. But when giving somebody directions, rather than counting how many exits the r/about might have, I'd only say which one to take, plus the approximate direction eg third exit 3 o'clock.

gridgway

1,001 posts

246 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
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in the commentary which is there to help the formation of the driving plan, how important is the number of exits? I imagine that 4 exits is the shortest, least ambiguous way of describing the roundabout.
GRaham

BliarsGoing

72,857 posts

240 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
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Flat in Fifth said:

Me "Approaching roundabout 4 exits, plan take 4th exit."
You cantankerous old bugger, I like your style hehe


My opinion, it's taking pedanticism to the n'th degree and detracted from other potential hazard observation.

vonhosen

40,246 posts

218 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
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Four exits

combover

3,009 posts

228 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
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Look at it from the position of being under a veil of ignorance. You are on the roundabout and don't know which one you came off to get there. Assuming such ignorance, how many exits are there available to you?

4.

GreenV8S

30,213 posts

285 months

Wednesday 4th October 2006
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combover said:
Look at it from the position of being under a veil of ignorance. You are on the roundabout and don't know which one you came off to get there. Assuming such ignorance, how many exits are there available to you?

4.


4, 8, 12, ...



Oh FFS give ME the bl**dy map!

wadgebeast

3,856 posts

212 months

Thursday 5th October 2006
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3 exits, 1 entry. Unless your route was designed to come back on yourself e.g. to take a road that is only on one side of a dual carriageway.

gridgway

1,001 posts

246 months

Thursday 5th October 2006
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4 exits of which 1 is the entry (the entry may or may not be an exit in the general case).
Graham

Flat in Fifth

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252 months

Thursday 5th October 2006
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Thanks chaps, and now going to print this thread and show it to the other cantankerous old bugger. hehe

Galileo

3,145 posts

219 months

Thursday 5th October 2006
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Flat in Fifth said:
Disagreement with one of the other trainers today.

Approaching roundabout which has roads entering at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o clock.

Keeping it simple.

If I'm doing commentary, "approaching roundabout 4 exits"
Him, "Approaching roundabout 3 exits"
Me "What do you say if you want to go through 360 degrees then?"
Him, "Approaching roundabout 3 exits, intend to go all way round and return on current road in opposite direction."
Me "Approaching roundabout 4 exits, plan take 4th exit."

As they say in union negotiations, registered a failure to agree.

Adjudication and comments muchly appreciated.


I found your commentary confusing, but understood what he was saying. From an amateurs point of view.

Flat in Fifth

Original Poster:

44,144 posts

252 months

Thursday 5th October 2006
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Galileo said:
Flat in Fifth said:
Disagreement with one of the other trainers today.

Approaching roundabout which has roads entering at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o clock.

Keeping it simple.

If I'm doing commentary, "approaching roundabout 4 exits"
Him, "Approaching roundabout 3 exits"
Me "What do you say if you want to go through 360 degrees then?"
Him, "Approaching roundabout 3 exits, intend to go all way round and return on current road in opposite direction."
Me "Approaching roundabout 4 exits, plan take 4th exit."

As they say in union negotiations, registered a failure to agree.

Adjudication and comments muchly appreciated.


I found your commentary confusing, but understood what he was saying. From an amateurs point of view.

OK understand that, but it's snippets extracted and taken out of context. The boys and girls knew what I was on about.

Follow the small bit I said above with a commentary about the plan to deal with the island, observations on traffic all around, lanes, position, speed, gear, continued obs of traffic all around and in circuit etc, signals, mirror checks, bla di bla.

7db

6,058 posts

231 months

Thursday 5th October 2006
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4 exits (and 4 entries).

RAB is separate road. It has four exits.

For the topologically minded, is the first exit, second time around, really the fifth exit -- must one identify the two?

combover

3,009 posts

228 months

Thursday 5th October 2006
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GreenV8S said:
combover said:
Look at it from the position of being under a veil of ignorance. You are on the roundabout and don't know which one you came off to get there. Assuming such ignorance, how many exits are there available to you?

4.


4, 8, 12, ...



Oh FFS give ME the bl**dy map!


Dizzy yet, Peter?

Pigeon

18,535 posts

247 months

Sunday 8th October 2006
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I'd think of it as 3 exits if I wasn't intending to come back the same way and 4 exits if I was... fortunately the two descriptions correspond to the same model.

combover

3,009 posts

228 months

Sunday 8th October 2006
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Pigeon said:
I'd think of it as 3 exits if I wasn't intending to come back the same way and 4 exits if I was... fortunately the two descriptions correspond to the same model.


How can the physical make up of something change so significantly depending on what you are going to do when you get there? If you can see it as having four exits from one perspective, then what you actually do at it won't change this.

vonhosen

40,246 posts

218 months

Sunday 8th October 2006
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combover said:
Pigeon said:
I'd think of it as 3 exits if I wasn't intending to come back the same way and 4 exits if I was... fortunately the two descriptions correspond to the same model.


How can the physical make up of something change so significantly depending on what you are going to do when you get there? If you can see it as having four exits from one perspective, then what you actually do at it won't change this.


Indeed, or it's only got one exit. The one I'm taking.

scruffy

3,757 posts

262 months

Sunday 8th October 2006
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As you're not actually on the roundabout, 4 entry points.

What about the real hazards?

7db

6,058 posts

231 months

Sunday 8th October 2006
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I'd have made him get out and walk at that point...