Getting young people into the IAM
Discussion
markmullen said:
My main suggestions will be based around making a discernible difference to insurance premiums like PassPlus does (even at 28 my insurance has only just come under a grand a year, for those starting off it is even more expensive). I reckon this would have a big impact on the uptake of the scheme.
How long have you been driving? I'm your age and haven't had my licence that long but can get insured on a 740 for £500.
I've personally never gone for IAM as I don't agree with all the methods taught.
I don't think any of my younger friends would have bothered unless it meant substantially lower insurance premiums, but that doesn't seem to be the case?
Medic-one said:
cj_eds said:
I can imagine a conversation with half the countries population:
Why don't you join IAM?
Whats IAM?
I hope you don't mind me asking (i guess i fall under "half the countries population"
but where does IAM stand for ?Institute of/for Advanced Motorists/Motoring...
I'm sure someone who knows which way round it is will be along shortly
sultanbrown said:
markmullen said:
even at 28 my insurance has only just come under a grand a year, for those starting off it is even more expensive).
How long have you been driving? I'm your age and haven't had my licence that long but can get insured on a 740 for £500.
In fairness my 740 is only £413 f/c but my Porsche before that I struggled to get under a grand.
sultanbrown said:
I've personally never gone for IAM as I don't agree with all the methods taught.
Neither do I agree with everything the IAM teaches but at £85 if you only take away from the course a percentage of good ideas then you've got your moneys worth.
becca_viola said:
Medic-one said:
cj_eds said:
I can imagine a conversation with half the countries population:
Why don't you join IAM?
Whats IAM?
I hope you don't mind me asking (i guess i fall under "half the countries population"
but where does IAM stand for ?Institute of/for Advanced Motorists/Motoring...
I'm sure someone who knows which way round it is will be along shortly
Its the Institute of Advanced Motorists
What is IHDC?
I think that people who take further training have fewer accidents, and get their insurance saving through keeping their No Claims Bonus. I think the reason that there is not much further insurance saving available for taking advanced training is that the insurance companies are already giving you the benefit of an enormous saving through your NCB.
When one of you says that you have not taken an IAM course because you do not agree with some of what they teach, you may think they are more inflexible than they really are. You are certainly throwing away much that is good because of some that is not bad, but is not perhaps what you consider to be the best. Hopefully you would have an 'Observer' who would be able to discuss intelligently the pros and cons of the techniques which you prefer (what are they by the way?).
The main benefits of an advanced course are to raise your concentration, awareness and planning, and to develop improved judgement of a suitable speed to arrive at different hazards.
I think that people who take further training have fewer accidents, and get their insurance saving through keeping their No Claims Bonus. I think the reason that there is not much further insurance saving available for taking advanced training is that the insurance companies are already giving you the benefit of an enormous saving through your NCB.
When one of you says that you have not taken an IAM course because you do not agree with some of what they teach, you may think they are more inflexible than they really are. You are certainly throwing away much that is good because of some that is not bad, but is not perhaps what you consider to be the best. Hopefully you would have an 'Observer' who would be able to discuss intelligently the pros and cons of the techniques which you prefer (what are they by the way?).
The main benefits of an advanced course are to raise your concentration, awareness and planning, and to develop improved judgement of a suitable speed to arrive at different hazards.
waremark said:
What is IHDC?
The Institute of Health Care Development
The same body that registeres all EMT's and paramedics. Before we're allowed to respond to emergencies (and passed all the medical training/examens/placements) we need to pass both the ICHD D1 driving course and the D2 driving couse.
The D1 is one week advanced driving followed by a practical and written exam, and the D2 is 2 weeks advanced driving, including blue light runs, also followed by (multiple) written and practical exams.
waremark said:
The main benefits of an advanced course are to raise your concentration, awareness and planning, and to develop improved judgement of a suitable speed to arrive at different hazards.
To be honest, I'm quite good at that, especially as my missus is currently learning to drive so I have been trying to get across the greater need for concentration and forward planning and giving her lots of commentary (she can't do the same as I won't let her drive my car
). The last time I gave a lift to a copper he actually asked me how long I had passed my IAM, and was most surprised when I told him I hadn't due to many of the similar techniques I use.
Maybe I should give it a go, but I really don't think it will teach me anything I don't already know, as I have studied many different driving techniques and constantly assess my own driving (my driving instructor was IAM and me far beyond the normal level required to pass the test. It was his level of observation that encouraged me to be the best driver I could).
I've just received an e mail from our local motorcyclists IAM in response to a question on a bike forum, informing me that they will be attending the Blackpool Honda showroom this weekend giving FREE assessments to bikers showing interest.
Well done to all at SLAM, for actively searching to enrole the youth ( Not me , son and nephew ).
Well done to all at SLAM, for actively searching to enrole the youth ( Not me , son and nephew ).
Sultan Brown > With all due respect most of us hold our own driving in standards in high regard; many of us (inlcuding myself) perhaps a little too high.
Even without meeting you, or seeing you drive I am certain there would be a number of things you could do to make your driving safer; and possibly quicker and more enjoyable.
Back to the thread... I think you will find that the majority of IAM members were already driving at a reasonable standard and with an interest in driving, before they joined. If you want to increase younger(ish) drivers then perhaps look towards the places these people might frequent. Track days, motorshows etc.
Offer discounted membership with new car sales. This might be heading away from the youngest drivers but if it was offered in conjunction with the "free insurance" offers that sometimes come from the likes of Ford Ka (iirc) there may be some take up.
I do like the angle that's already been mentioned with the Max Power brigade. There was an article in the last IAM magazine where a young lad was going out in his Ibiza preaching the joys of IAM. That's a good start.
What about celebrity endorsments? Get Mansell to twist some young F1 driver's arms to do their advanced driving, and get press coverage.
Even without meeting you, or seeing you drive I am certain there would be a number of things you could do to make your driving safer; and possibly quicker and more enjoyable.
Back to the thread... I think you will find that the majority of IAM members were already driving at a reasonable standard and with an interest in driving, before they joined. If you want to increase younger(ish) drivers then perhaps look towards the places these people might frequent. Track days, motorshows etc.
Offer discounted membership with new car sales. This might be heading away from the youngest drivers but if it was offered in conjunction with the "free insurance" offers that sometimes come from the likes of Ford Ka (iirc) there may be some take up.
I do like the angle that's already been mentioned with the Max Power brigade. There was an article in the last IAM magazine where a young lad was going out in his Ibiza preaching the joys of IAM. That's a good start.
What about celebrity endorsments? Get Mansell to twist some young F1 driver's arms to do their advanced driving, and get press coverage.
Just a reminder that Chelmsford IAM Group are still offering a full £75-00 refund to 21 and under and £40-00 refund to 25 and under.
Active Group - subsidised skid pan session coming up at £20-00 per head and recent drive up to Norfolk with two Class 1 Examiners and Senior Observers.
Great support from Essex Police Traffic men...
BOF
Active Group - subsidised skid pan session coming up at £20-00 per head and recent drive up to Norfolk with two Class 1 Examiners and Senior Observers.
Great support from Essex Police Traffic men...
BOF
BOF said:
Just a reminder that Chelmsford IAM Group are still offering a full £75-00 refund to 21 and under and £40-00 refund to 25 and under.
Active Group - subsidised skid pan session coming up at £20-00 per head and recent drive up to Norfolk with two Class 1 Examiners and Senior Observers.
Great support from Essex Police Traffic men...
BOF
Active Group - subsidised skid pan session coming up at £20-00 per head and recent drive up to Norfolk with two Class 1 Examiners and Senior Observers.
Great support from Essex Police Traffic men...
BOF
My local group wont do this as it 'could' cause a flood of people wanting to do the test.
BOF said:
Just a reminder that Chelmsford IAM Group are still offering a full £75-00 refund to 21 and under and £40-00 refund to 25 and under.
Active Group - subsidised skid pan session coming up at £20-00 per head and recent drive up to Norfolk with two Class 1 Examiners and Senior Observers.
Great support from Essex Police Traffic men...
BOF
Active Group - subsidised skid pan session coming up at £20-00 per head and recent drive up to Norfolk with two Class 1 Examiners and Senior Observers.
Great support from Essex Police Traffic men...
BOF
It sounds like a fantastic group. Well done those who have made it so.
sultanbrown said:
waremark said:
The main benefits of an advanced course are to raise your concentration, awareness and planning, and to develop improved judgement of a suitable speed to arrive at different hazards.
To be honest, I'm quite good at that, especially as my missus is currently learning to drive so I have been trying to get across the greater need for concentration and forward planning and giving her lots of commentary (she can't do the same as I won't let her drive my car
). The last time I gave a lift to a copper he actually asked me how long I had passed my IAM, and was most surprised when I told him I hadn't due to many of the similar techniques I use.
Maybe I should give it a go, but I really don't think it will teach me anything I don't already know, as I have studied many different driving techniques and constantly assess my own driving (my driving instructor was IAM and me far beyond the normal level required to pass the test. It was his level of observation that encouraged me to be the best driver I could).
Most people are proud of their driving, and very few take criticism well.
If you are interested in taking your driving further but are not sure the IAM will improve you have a word with your local group, many (mine included) will do an introductory run out without charge where you are given some pointers and assessed. It should also give you a chance to hear a commentary from an observer and hear what they are seeing to check your observational skills.
Appreciate the comments.
I am not a stranger to IAM commentary (though was thoroughly impressed the first time I did go out with an IAM driver). I think the one thing I could do to improve my driving as a whole is to change my attitude towards other drivers, but that will never change; I just can't help letting X5 drivers know what I think of them when they overtake me at 50 in a 30 towards busy pedestrian crossings.
I am not a stranger to IAM commentary (though was thoroughly impressed the first time I did go out with an IAM driver). I think the one thing I could do to improve my driving as a whole is to change my attitude towards other drivers, but that will never change; I just can't help letting X5 drivers know what I think of them when they overtake me at 50 in a 30 towards busy pedestrian crossings.
1950trevorp said:
IAM Groups vary enormously.
My local Group are reluctant to discuss driving.
I think that they think having a "nice friendly" Social club is good enough.
This is, in my opinion, hardly "rushing the youngsters in"
My local Group are reluctant to discuss driving.
I think that they think having a "nice friendly" Social club is good enough.
This is, in my opinion, hardly "rushing the youngsters in"
Have been thinking about doing this but after looking into it dont think i'll bother. Do they do something more performance related? Just looked at my local one and it looks like some sort of community centre. Not something i'll be doing.
Edited by cupra-r rob on Thursday 17th May 16:38
rob,
If you are looking for 'Performance related' have another think about the IAM.
The Roadcraft System as taught by IAM can be the basis of any further driving education you wish to pursue...if you miss out on 'O' levels you will find it harder, longer and maybe more expensive, to do 'A' levels.
No need to join the social bit...just get out and drive with a good Observer.
BOF
If you are looking for 'Performance related' have another think about the IAM.
The Roadcraft System as taught by IAM can be the basis of any further driving education you wish to pursue...if you miss out on 'O' levels you will find it harder, longer and maybe more expensive, to do 'A' levels.
No need to join the social bit...just get out and drive with a good Observer.
BOF
Fair point. In relation to the topic, the "community" part is what put me off as a young driver as i'd rather be out driveing and it looked like a kind of meeting rather than practical from the site i looked at. I suppose there is no harm in creating a foundation for further devolpment for just a few a quid.
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