RE: Driving the green way?
Discussion
Mr Whippy said:
Multiple layers of wank wrapping and over-designed branding crap are NOT essential to me, driving to work is!
Oh yes, the annoyance of peacock packaging, where the idea is to make your package larger and brighter than any of the competition regardless of what it actually contains.
Things like biscuits, cakes and chocolate bars, especially "luxury" ones, where a simple cuboid or cylindrical product comes in a gigantic, overblown, non-tesselatory orgy of coloured cellophane and cardboard.
No. It stays on the shelf and McVities sell another packet of their distressingly addictive Hob Nobs instead, because at least those didn't waste 60 percent of the space in the truck that delivered them.
The other thing that annoys me in this vein is this thing about "statement" events without any prevailing change in the culture. Like the other day, I turn up to Sainsbury's shortly after their big bags-for-life giveway. I'm holding one of their ordinary plastic bags ready (yes, you don't need "Look at me, I'm recycling!" plastered over a bag for it to be reusable) and the checkout assistant is grabbing another fresh bag! Er, what do you think I'm holding this one for?
My favourite type of packaging is the kind of tins you get for mints or sometimes tea. I've got loads of those kicking around at home full of random electronics, useful cables and terminations, and examples of nearly every type of screw used in an electronic device since 1991...
tigger1 said:
What's all this bollards about 56mph!?
Isnt' that specific to one car, under certain conditions? Isn't there a lot more to the argument than simply speed? (E.g. 70mph in 6th compared with 56mph in 2nd, or at best 5th)
Agree about acceleration sense though.
Isnt' that specific to one car, under certain conditions? Isn't there a lot more to the argument than simply speed? (E.g. 70mph in 6th compared with 56mph in 2nd, or at best 5th)
Agree about acceleration sense though.
Yup...no way can you drive at 56 everywhere.However on a recent run from my house to Newcastle,a distance of around 70 miles,the trip computer showed an AVERAGE of 56 mph and I returned 52.3 mpg for the whole journey.The A1 is a frustrating mix of single lanes and quick dual carriageway sections,so my speeds were all over the place.
From a heavy Audi A6 avant being pulled by a weedy 2.0l diesel I thought that was pretty remarkable....I usually average 43ish on long journeys,so it can be done
Timberwolf said:
Mr Whippy said:
Multiple layers of wank wrapping and over-designed branding crap are NOT essential to me, driving to work is!
Oh yes, the annoyance of peacock packaging, where the idea is to make your package larger and brighter than any of the competition regardless of what it actually contains.
Things like biscuits, cakes and chocolate bars, especially "luxury" ones, where a simple cuboid or cylindrical product comes in a gigantic, overblown, non-tesselatory orgy of coloured cellophane and cardboard.
No. It stays on the shelf and McVities sell another packet of their distressingly addictive Hob Nobs instead, because at least those didn't waste 60 percent of the space in the truck that delivered them.
The other thing that annoys me in this vein is this thing about "statement" events without any prevailing change in the culture. Like the other day, I turn up to Sainsbury's shortly after their big bags-for-life giveway. I'm holding one of their ordinary plastic bags ready (yes, you don't need "Look at me, I'm recycling!" plastered over a bag for it to be reusable) and the checkout assistant is grabbing another fresh bag! Er, what do you think I'm holding this one for?
My favourite type of packaging is the kind of tins you get for mints or sometimes tea. I've got loads of those kicking around at home full of random electronics, useful cables and terminations, and examples of nearly every type of screw used in an electronic device since 1991...
Yep, bit OT for this thread, but I think people must be dumb to take this stuff on board. I drive like a saint, 45mpg, drive like a nutter, 41mpg. Not worth driving like a pleb making everyone tailgate me and overtake me to save a few mpg...
Packaging savings though, now I'm all for that. Milk bottles in glass, return them to the supermarket and get 50% off the price for the new one, or even do it with better plastic ones. Same with LOTS of things. Sodastream did it with gas cylinders, all we have to do is bring that level of consideration down.
Hey ho, ignorance seems to invade every facet of the modern mind when it comes to such matters. I'm all for change, but none of what we see will really change anything. Policy made to look good and make some people very rich no doubt, but do nothing of much use!
Dave
Its all rubbish isnt it?
The best way to drive the green way is to not drive in the first place. Enthusiasts are the simplest and easiest targets, along with 4x4's and sport cars. The theory goes that our vehicles give out a disproportionate amount of CO2 (and all of that crap that goes with it) than other supposedly green cars. But you know what, if they banned all cars which were capable of 0-60 in less than 7 seconds and all 4x4's it would make such a farcical difference that it wouldnt register on the percentages.....
Its a joke.
Nah, what we need to do is stop taking those stupid ultra-short journeys. Stop using the car to save our legs and feet and start using them for what they are really good at - transporting over a reasonable distance. I had an argument with someone the other day - they criticised me for owning a V8 BMW and a Turbo charged car (they said sports car, but I would hardly call a Volvo a sports car, but hey!). The amount of C02 that they would kick out combined would be equal to 4-5 lean burn city cars!!! Yeah right. I saw red and thought enough is enough. I asked them if they drove into town to do their shopping - their answer was yes. I asked them if they drove to Swindon or Bath (for shopping), they said yes....
Guess what? I take the train to the major towns / cities and I walk into town. So in reality I probably contribute less CO2 to the air than their little poxy shitbox on its 1 mile journey a day. Christ, I really despair sometimes.
And now we have the IAM doing it - sucking up to the "I am a middle-class moron who wishes to ease my consumerist conscience by saying that I am green" group.
Can I bagsy first shot when the revolution comes?
The best way to drive the green way is to not drive in the first place. Enthusiasts are the simplest and easiest targets, along with 4x4's and sport cars. The theory goes that our vehicles give out a disproportionate amount of CO2 (and all of that crap that goes with it) than other supposedly green cars. But you know what, if they banned all cars which were capable of 0-60 in less than 7 seconds and all 4x4's it would make such a farcical difference that it wouldnt register on the percentages.....
Its a joke.
Nah, what we need to do is stop taking those stupid ultra-short journeys. Stop using the car to save our legs and feet and start using them for what they are really good at - transporting over a reasonable distance. I had an argument with someone the other day - they criticised me for owning a V8 BMW and a Turbo charged car (they said sports car, but I would hardly call a Volvo a sports car, but hey!). The amount of C02 that they would kick out combined would be equal to 4-5 lean burn city cars!!! Yeah right. I saw red and thought enough is enough. I asked them if they drove into town to do their shopping - their answer was yes. I asked them if they drove to Swindon or Bath (for shopping), they said yes....
Guess what? I take the train to the major towns / cities and I walk into town. So in reality I probably contribute less CO2 to the air than their little poxy shitbox on its 1 mile journey a day. Christ, I really despair sometimes.
And now we have the IAM doing it - sucking up to the "I am a middle-class moron who wishes to ease my consumerist conscience by saying that I am green" group.
Can I bagsy first shot when the revolution comes?
what about taking off those seats that are not going to be used?
that could save a bit of weight as well... every little helps!
if you need to offer a lift to someone well.. tough luck to him!
if one should implement these suggestions, the stress to drive would be so much that a bullet in the head would be most welcome
attention to this, attention to that, do not do this... I want to be alert about the road and the risks on the road
the suggestion when filling the petrol tank is pathetic
if I fill less I have to refill more often... hence I have to use fuel to get to the petrol station
this weekend I am going to do my bit for global warming...
that could save a bit of weight as well... every little helps!
if you need to offer a lift to someone well.. tough luck to him!
if one should implement these suggestions, the stress to drive would be so much that a bullet in the head would be most welcome
attention to this, attention to that, do not do this... I want to be alert about the road and the risks on the road
the suggestion when filling the petrol tank is pathetic
if I fill less I have to refill more often... hence I have to use fuel to get to the petrol station
this weekend I am going to do my bit for global warming...
I find this definition sums up being 'green' perfectly!!
10.
a. Lacking sophistication or worldly experience; naive.
b. Easily duped or deceived; gullible.
www.thefreedictionary.com/green
Online Dictionary said:
10.
a. Lacking sophistication or worldly experience; naive.
b. Easily duped or deceived; gullible.
www.thefreedictionary.com/green
Havoc, just for the record aromatic petrol.....anything is aromatic if it contains what are called benzene rings, these are molecules which contain 6 carbons and 6 hydrogen atoms per molecule. i do A level chemistry lol
this article is suck a load of bullsh*t its funny, i mean, save the planet???
if everyone stopped driving in britain we would reduce the british CO2 emissions by a mere 8-9%. as a country we produce about 5% of the worlds CO2, so if you see my point, its a rather small amount we will do by adding 1-2mpg to our jouneys......and driving is just too fun!
this article is suck a load of bullsh*t its funny, i mean, save the planet???
if everyone stopped driving in britain we would reduce the british CO2 emissions by a mere 8-9%. as a country we produce about 5% of the worlds CO2, so if you see my point, its a rather small amount we will do by adding 1-2mpg to our jouneys......and driving is just too fun!
So putting a litre less petrol in saves weight and makes the car more efficient, yes?
How about making new cars lighter overall then! Slightly different subject, I know, but the fact that every new model seems to be bigger and heavier has been getting me down for about 20 years!
The lighter weight should improve handling and response for us enthusiasts too.
More Elise's less overweight hatchbacks for everyman!!
And as for the packaging comment, bang on the mark! At work when we order new memory for a PC from our supplier EACH DIMM comes in a bix large enough for about 2 DVD drives along with a ton of bubble wrap and those little packaging things that go everywhere. On top of the shrink wrapped packet for the memory module itself.
Just stick them all in a jiffy bag!
How about making new cars lighter overall then! Slightly different subject, I know, but the fact that every new model seems to be bigger and heavier has been getting me down for about 20 years!
The lighter weight should improve handling and response for us enthusiasts too.
More Elise's less overweight hatchbacks for everyman!!
And as for the packaging comment, bang on the mark! At work when we order new memory for a PC from our supplier EACH DIMM comes in a bix large enough for about 2 DVD drives along with a ton of bubble wrap and those little packaging things that go everywhere. On top of the shrink wrapped packet for the memory module itself.
Just stick them all in a jiffy bag!
""Reverse in when you park. When you start off again, the engine will be cold and at its most fuel inefficient. If you can drive smoothly away without having to reverse when the engine is cold, not only will you save fuel you will also have better visibility.""
No reverse in so you can drive away easy, with a good field of vision. How many years would you have to do this to save the planet???? Its a load of bullocks
Be a tank miser. Why fill the tank up to the very brim? If you do so, you may be carrying around additional fuel, which in turn means that you have more weight on board than is necessary. That extra weight will itself reduce fuel efficiency".
Yep but mean driving to the petrol station twice as often.
Its all a joke.
No reverse in so you can drive away easy, with a good field of vision. How many years would you have to do this to save the planet???? Its a load of bullocks
Be a tank miser. Why fill the tank up to the very brim? If you do so, you may be carrying around additional fuel, which in turn means that you have more weight on board than is necessary. That extra weight will itself reduce fuel efficiency".
Yep but mean driving to the petrol station twice as often.
Its all a joke.
Having witnessed the pollution and traffic jams here in Lagos (Nigeria) on a daily basis I think the relative contribution from the UK is miniscule. Traffic here is mainly made up of ill maintained mini-buses, 'okada' moped taxis and bletching 50 year old lorries - the jams are something else too! and it'll only get worse. If anywhere was in need of a cheap mass transit system...
Just imagine what global improvements could be made here compared to the UK and for a fraction of the cost...instead of banning our sportscars in the UK, contribute to a fund to improve places like Lagos.
Just imagine what global improvements could be made here compared to the UK and for a fraction of the cost...instead of banning our sportscars in the UK, contribute to a fund to improve places like Lagos.
ed. said:
"Be a tank miser. Why fill the tank up to the very brim? If you do so, you may be carrying around additional fuel, which in turn means that you have more weight on board than is necessary. That extra weight will itself reduce fuel efficiency"
Doesnt this mean more trips to the fuel station, which if they keep closing means going out of your way more often?
Also isn't his a good way to get your true MPG, which inturn indicates how well your vehicle is running?
Doesnt this mean more trips to the fuel station, which if they keep closing means going out of your way more often?
Also isn't his a good way to get your true MPG, which inturn indicates how well your vehicle is running?
who goes "out of the way" to 'find' a petrol station? Surely even on a 10 mile journey you are likely to pass at least one unless you live somewhere odd?
Errrrm, I'm a bit concerned having read this (and watched An Inconvenient Truth). Whilst I would not say that I am a firm believer in everything that is explored in that film, it is fairly obvious that we are shafting our planet, mainly due to basic human behaviours of greed and increasingly 'blame culture'. There is quite a lot of blame culture in this thread - oh, its not me in my car causing this, its other people in their more polluting cars, or it isn't cars at all.
Rubbish.
The science is pretty clear that C02 is not good for the environment and cars do produce it. I see no harm whatsoever in giving advice that people MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF that might help them increase their fuel efficiency.
As an example, why not bang on about the first point in the IAM list - do you really need to use your car? Last night, I walked from my house to the polling station - it took 5 minutes. Our neighbours, both about 30 and fit and healthy (he is a keen road cyclist) were behind us in the que. We walked back home, and were puzzled that our neighbours' car wasn't there. Then as we unlocked the door, they drove down the road. That, in my book, is totally unacceptable, yet it happens all the time. Me and my wife commute to work together, but she doesn't work on Mondays, so on Mondays I go on my bike - I don't need the car then, so I don't use it.
It all makes me feel a bit better when I do go for a pointless (other than enjoyment) hoon!
Yes, some of it might well be scaremongering, but you can't escape the basic science and the fact that we need to do something about it, NOW. If you want to not believe that and dismiss any environmental action as rubbish, then it is your children's lives you are screwing once and for all because when we reach a certain point, there won't be any going back.
I haven't got time to put a proper argument together on this, but was genuinely surprised that so many people had such a couldn't care less attitude. All the more reason for groups like the IAM to try and bang these things into your heads.
Rubbish.
The science is pretty clear that C02 is not good for the environment and cars do produce it. I see no harm whatsoever in giving advice that people MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF that might help them increase their fuel efficiency.
As an example, why not bang on about the first point in the IAM list - do you really need to use your car? Last night, I walked from my house to the polling station - it took 5 minutes. Our neighbours, both about 30 and fit and healthy (he is a keen road cyclist) were behind us in the que. We walked back home, and were puzzled that our neighbours' car wasn't there. Then as we unlocked the door, they drove down the road. That, in my book, is totally unacceptable, yet it happens all the time. Me and my wife commute to work together, but she doesn't work on Mondays, so on Mondays I go on my bike - I don't need the car then, so I don't use it.
It all makes me feel a bit better when I do go for a pointless (other than enjoyment) hoon!
Yes, some of it might well be scaremongering, but you can't escape the basic science and the fact that we need to do something about it, NOW. If you want to not believe that and dismiss any environmental action as rubbish, then it is your children's lives you are screwing once and for all because when we reach a certain point, there won't be any going back.
I haven't got time to put a proper argument together on this, but was genuinely surprised that so many people had such a couldn't care less attitude. All the more reason for groups like the IAM to try and bang these things into your heads.
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