Undertaking is the new Overtaking
Discussion
Buelligan 984 said:
UK_WS6 said:
Whereas, you would patiently sit in the 3rd lane, hoping to get to your destination as soon as possible, it now seems more and more commonn to undertake.
I still can't work out if this was said in all seriousness or whether it was ment to be deeply ironic.Dave
They either need to Police the roads better & have harder penalties for people who don't know how to use the roads, or I'll continue to undertake when lane 1, 2 & 3 are empty, and there's a traffic jam in lane 4.
this is an interesting topic because it's not obvious, to me at any rate, what constitutes good driving practice here - I'd welcome some input from the BiB or ex-BiB posters.
What I do (on any multi lane road) is very, very simple, and I believe it is correct according to the Highway Code. I keep left unless overtaking traffic in my lane. End of.
Does this mean I pull back in following an overtake if there is not another car I will overtake within 12 seconds? Yes.
Does this mean I often pass slower traffic in lanes 2 and 3 while in lane 1 or 2? Often.
I can't see how this is wrong - is it?
Joel
What I do (on any multi lane road) is very, very simple, and I believe it is correct according to the Highway Code. I keep left unless overtaking traffic in my lane. End of.
Does this mean I pull back in following an overtake if there is not another car I will overtake within 12 seconds? Yes.
Does this mean I often pass slower traffic in lanes 2 and 3 while in lane 1 or 2? Often.
I can't see how this is wrong - is it?
Joel
barchetta_boy said:
this is an interesting topic because it's not obvious, to me at any rate, what constitutes good driving practice here - I'd welcome some input from the BiB or ex-BiB posters.
What I do (on any multi lane road) is very, very simple, and I believe it is correct according to the Highway Code. I keep left unless overtaking traffic in my lane. End of.
Does this mean I pull back in following an overtake if there is not another car I will overtake within 12 seconds? Yes.
Does this mean I often pass slower traffic in lanes 2 and 3 while in lane 1 or 2? Often.
I can't see how this is wrong - is it?
Joel
If you're in lanes one or two - and within the legal speed limit - carry on as normal. Obviously, if lane one ends up moving faster than lane two then you need to slow down or change lanes... but when the balloon head's tyres in lane two are showing signs of vegetation, it's time to give him some after burners. What I do (on any multi lane road) is very, very simple, and I believe it is correct according to the Highway Code. I keep left unless overtaking traffic in my lane. End of.
Does this mean I pull back in following an overtake if there is not another car I will overtake within 12 seconds? Yes.
Does this mean I often pass slower traffic in lanes 2 and 3 while in lane 1 or 2? Often.
I can't see how this is wrong - is it?
Joel
Glassman said:
barchetta_boy said:
this is an interesting topic because it's not obvious, to me at any rate, what constitutes good driving practice here - I'd welcome some input from the BiB or ex-BiB posters.
What I do (on any multi lane road) is very, very simple, and I believe it is correct according to the Highway Code. I keep left unless overtaking traffic in my lane. End of.
Does this mean I pull back in following an overtake if there is not another car I will overtake within 12 seconds? Yes.
Does this mean I often pass slower traffic in lanes 2 and 3 while in lane 1 or 2? Often.
I can't see how this is wrong - is it?
Joel
If you're in lanes one or two - and within the legal speed limit - carry on as normal. Obviously, if lane one ends up moving faster than lane two then you need to slow down or change lanes... but when the balloon head's tyres in lane two are showing signs of vegetation, it's time to give him some after burners. What I do (on any multi lane road) is very, very simple, and I believe it is correct according to the Highway Code. I keep left unless overtaking traffic in my lane. End of.
Does this mean I pull back in following an overtake if there is not another car I will overtake within 12 seconds? Yes.
Does this mean I often pass slower traffic in lanes 2 and 3 while in lane 1 or 2? Often.
I can't see how this is wrong - is it?
Joel
I have always understood this to be the correct behaviour for passing a car that's stuck in the middle lane.
Interestingly I had to travel on a motorway as a passenger recently, the guy who was driving did the whole the journey mostly in the middle lane. When I pointed out that the left was free he said that we were about to pass a junction and traffic might be joining, sure enough he was right because about 5 minutes later there it was, where just after we passed it a car did join some small distance behind us. Later when we hit roadworks he went out to lane 3 and stayed there becuase he couldn't back into 2 on account of all the "idiots hogging the middle lane" his words not mine.
Undertaking is not a specific offence now, I believe.
However, if you do it at a radar'd 119mph, apparantly it can be considered 'dangerous driving' (or without due care in other cases).
This was on a bike a few years ago, was an undertake rather than filtering at that point.
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However, if you do it at a radar'd 119mph, apparantly it can be considered 'dangerous driving' (or without due care in other cases).
This was on a bike a few years ago, was an undertake rather than filtering at that point.
TheKeyboardDemon said:
If lane 3 on a motorway is doing 60 due to traffic build up and lane 1 is empty doing 70 does passing slower cars in 3 still count as undertaking if not changing lanes to do so?
Depends if you then try and get back in to that queue of people doing 60 further ahead, reducing the speed of the queue behind you to 55 as you pull in ._g_ said:
Depends if you then try and get back in to that queue of people doing 60 further ahead, reducing the speed of the queue behind you to 55 as you pull in .
I can't think of any reason to leave lane 1 other than overtaking other cars in 1 (maybe 2, see above) or turning off on to the slip road. If I did need to change lane to overtake I would make sure that I can do so without forcing another car to alter course or speed or I would wait until I could change lane without interruption to the flow of traffic..This topic does really grind my gears.
Lane 2 on nearly all occassions is full of wombats who are so scared of moving into lane 1 for fear of never being able to get back out again. They are like sheep. Sometimes lane 1 and lane 3 are completely empty because these morons just have to follow the other prat in the middle. This really annoys me! One of the reasons I thought about becoming a traffic cop was so I could pull them over and ask if they had read the highway code ever?? and threaten them with undue care and ATTENTION!!
I have been known to undertake. So many times the 3rd lane is full bumper to bumper because the one at the front insists on doing 71mph or there is a big gap where one person cannot keep up with the traffic. Everyone else pulls out as they want to overtake leaving lane 2 empty for about 3 miles. I seize the opportunity.
Not saying there is anything wrong with doing 71mph but for christ sakes move over - your quite clearly in the way!!
Lane 2 on nearly all occassions is full of wombats who are so scared of moving into lane 1 for fear of never being able to get back out again. They are like sheep. Sometimes lane 1 and lane 3 are completely empty because these morons just have to follow the other prat in the middle. This really annoys me! One of the reasons I thought about becoming a traffic cop was so I could pull them over and ask if they had read the highway code ever?? and threaten them with undue care and ATTENTION!!
I have been known to undertake. So many times the 3rd lane is full bumper to bumper because the one at the front insists on doing 71mph or there is a big gap where one person cannot keep up with the traffic. Everyone else pulls out as they want to overtake leaving lane 2 empty for about 3 miles. I seize the opportunity.
Not saying there is anything wrong with doing 71mph but for christ sakes move over - your quite clearly in the way!!
Miss G said:
This topic does really grind my gears.
Lane 2 on nearly all occassions is full of wombats who are so scared of moving into lane 1 for fear of never being able to get back out again. They are like sheep. Sometimes lane 1 and lane 3 are completely empty because these morons just have to follow the other prat in the middle. This really annoys me! One of the reasons I thought about becoming a traffic cop was so I could pull them over and ask if they had read the highway code ever?? and threaten them with undue care and ATTENTION!!
I have been known to undertake. So many times the 3rd lane is full bumper to bumper because the one at the front insists on doing 71mph or there is a big gap where one person cannot keep up with the traffic. Everyone else pulls out as they want to overtake leaving lane 2 empty for about 3 miles. I seize the opportunity.
Not saying there is anything wrong with doing 71mph but for christ sakes move over - your quite clearly in the way!!
And then when you do decide to undertake, there is always a balloon head moron who then decides to accelerate as you threaten to pass him in lane2. WHY??? Why, when he couldn't do the right thing and MOVE OVER in the FIRST PLACE!Lane 2 on nearly all occassions is full of wombats who are so scared of moving into lane 1 for fear of never being able to get back out again. They are like sheep. Sometimes lane 1 and lane 3 are completely empty because these morons just have to follow the other prat in the middle. This really annoys me! One of the reasons I thought about becoming a traffic cop was so I could pull them over and ask if they had read the highway code ever?? and threaten them with undue care and ATTENTION!!
I have been known to undertake. So many times the 3rd lane is full bumper to bumper because the one at the front insists on doing 71mph or there is a big gap where one person cannot keep up with the traffic. Everyone else pulls out as they want to overtake leaving lane 2 empty for about 3 miles. I seize the opportunity.
Not saying there is anything wrong with doing 71mph but for christ sakes move over - your quite clearly in the way!!
There are a lot of men that wouldn't dare lock horns with another man when face-to-face; put a car around them and watch their balls grow.
Glassman said:
There are a lot of men that wouldn't dare lock horns with another man when face-to-face; put a car around them and watch their balls grow.
I often end up undertaking on the A45 because of the eejits driving to slowly in the other lanes.
But what really annoys me is the stupid muppets that insist on exiting the slip road onto the A45 at 40mph when everyone else is doing 60+. How stupid are they?
I have been known to harrass people so they move out of the way if they're driving to slowly and annoying me - probably not the right thing to do but it works!
But what really annoys me is the stupid muppets that insist on exiting the slip road onto the A45 at 40mph when everyone else is doing 60+. How stupid are they?
I have been known to harrass people so they move out of the way if they're driving to slowly and annoying me - probably not the right thing to do but it works!
Good driving practice?
We all know what the Highway Code says...but this is my take on things:
If you are using your mirrors properly you will know what's behind you. Unless there is nothing you can do about it (like in a queue) don't hold anyone up who would like to pass you. They should be passing on your right...so plan on helping them do that by moving left appropriately.
Never, ever tailgate or intimidate drivers in front. If you are being tailgated: get them past you as quickly as practical.
Easy.
We all know what the Highway Code says...but this is my take on things:
If you are using your mirrors properly you will know what's behind you. Unless there is nothing you can do about it (like in a queue) don't hold anyone up who would like to pass you. They should be passing on your right...so plan on helping them do that by moving left appropriately.
Never, ever tailgate or intimidate drivers in front. If you are being tailgated: get them past you as quickly as practical.
Easy.
Understand entirely Don - unfortunately when the BiB have to resort to tailgating and intimidating (See other thread http://pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=418051 ) the realisation is that it's the only way these 'prozac fairies' actually realise a; that there's someone behind and b; that they would like to get past.
This method is not perfect - Tailgating and intimidating is universally disliked and some of the time can cause more hassle, that's when a swift undertake is the last resort.
This method is not perfect - Tailgating and intimidating is universally disliked and some of the time can cause more hassle, that's when a swift undertake is the last resort.
Edited by Ranger 6 on Wednesday 1st August 21:02
WhoseGeneration said:
So, am I correct in surmising that we're all confused?.
We want to follow the precepts of the HC, yet real world experiences seem to indicate alternative strategies seem sensible?.
It's a mess.
That's the truth.
What is Expedient for yourself will often drive what appears sensible, but it isn't necessarily the best overall solution to be promoting.We want to follow the precepts of the HC, yet real world experiences seem to indicate alternative strategies seem sensible?.
It's a mess.
That's the truth.
Where one transgresses & then another does another different transgression in response but is caught, you are bound to get "Yeah but, no but, if......."
In my experience most undertaking is committed at speeds in excess of the posted limit. Those people aren't wanting to abide by the HC, their desire to travel in excess of the limit causes them to do it.
vonhosen said:
WhoseGeneration said:
So, am I correct in surmising that we're all confused?.
We want to follow the precepts of the HC, yet real world experiences seem to indicate alternative strategies seem sensible?.
It's a mess.
That's the truth.
What is Expedient for yourself will often drive what appears sensible, but it isn't necessarily the best overall solution to be promoting.We want to follow the precepts of the HC, yet real world experiences seem to indicate alternative strategies seem sensible?.
It's a mess.
That's the truth.
Where one transgresses & then another does another different transgression in response but is caught, you are bound to get "Yeah but, no but, if......."
In my experience most undertaking is committed at speeds in excess of the posted limit. Those people aren't wanting to abide by the HC, their desire to travel in excess of the limit causes them to do it.
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