Where can I learn RR Advanced Driving??
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Where can I learn Rear Wheel Drive Rear Engine Advanced Driving?? (Porsche)
Anyone know of a good place to do advanced driving training / track work that run Porsches.
I need to learn to control my beast!!!
and think a RR Driving Day would be a good idea.
I dont want to use my car at them moment for a Track Day until i can get a bit more use to it, but want to use something similar to make me a more proficient driver
Cheers
Mark
Anyone know of a good place to do advanced driving training / track work that run Porsches.
I need to learn to control my beast!!!
and think a RR Driving Day would be a good idea.I dont want to use my car at them moment for a Track Day until i can get a bit more use to it, but want to use something similar to make me a more proficient driver
Cheers
Mark
Jibberingloon said:
Where can I learn Rear Wheel Drive Rear Engine Advanced Driving?? (Porsche)
Anyone know of a good place to do advanced driving training / track work that run Porsches.
I need to learn to control my beast!!! and think a RR Driving Day would be a good idea.
I dont want to use my car at them moment for a Track Day until i can get a bit more use to it, but want to use something similar to make me a more proficient driver
Cheers
Mark
Look up a bloke called Don Palmer and use your own car. Friends have been very complimentary about the experience. And you *will* learn what it is like to get the car sliding...Anyone know of a good place to do advanced driving training / track work that run Porsches.
I need to learn to control my beast!!!
and think a RR Driving Day would be a good idea.I dont want to use my car at them moment for a Track Day until i can get a bit more use to it, but want to use something similar to make me a more proficient driver
Cheers
Mark
You've nailed it on the head when you say tyres ain't cheap. The cost of putting someone in a "proper" car for a proper trackday session rather than an "experience" can be significant. We do track training in an M3 (including commentary track drives in a 996 GT3) from around £600 (depending on venue) for the day (1-2-1) and can give you proper advanced instruction in your own car or M3 on road for somewhat less. Costs can seem high but someone has to pay for the track-time, brakes, fuel, tyres, risk, instruction etc.
I've just done a quick search on t'internet and you can pay £189 for 25mins in an M3, driving time. I have a lot of customers who have previously spent between £100-200 on what they thought was a day's driving but come away somewhat disgruntled, with their lack of in-car time and have learned nothing. When we charge £500-800 for a day it can initially seem really expensive, but if anyone has ever costed the real cost of a trackday then they are fooling themselves if they think it's less than £450 minimum, without costing their own day's time, even for something like an elise. Once you drive a car close to the limits in terms of braking and cornering, which is where you want to be, things wear pretty fast.
Oh, and we do a significant percentage repeat business..... because we facilitate learning. And this isn't an advert, as I have more business than I can fit in; just a post to get people to realise that doing things properly costs money. You can't light up a set of Pilot Cup Sports without someone picking up the bill!!!!
MikeC
I've just done a quick search on t'internet and you can pay £189 for 25mins in an M3, driving time. I have a lot of customers who have previously spent between £100-200 on what they thought was a day's driving but come away somewhat disgruntled, with their lack of in-car time and have learned nothing. When we charge £500-800 for a day it can initially seem really expensive, but if anyone has ever costed the real cost of a trackday then they are fooling themselves if they think it's less than £450 minimum, without costing their own day's time, even for something like an elise. Once you drive a car close to the limits in terms of braking and cornering, which is where you want to be, things wear pretty fast.
Oh, and we do a significant percentage repeat business..... because we facilitate learning. And this isn't an advert, as I have more business than I can fit in; just a post to get people to realise that doing things properly costs money. You can't light up a set of Pilot Cup Sports without someone picking up the bill!!!!
MikeC
instructormike said:
You can't light up a set of Pilot Cup Sports without someone picking up the bill!!!!
MikeC
MikeC
Jonny at BaT hires out a Caterham for £500 a day. Looks expensive until you realise that you'll do a quarter of your disks, pads and tyres. On my car that's the £500 gone. Its actually stunning value. Put on top of that track time and an instructor there's your £800.
I stumbled across Mikes site whilst looking for Brembo brake upgrades/parts. I had always fancied a track day but never been impressed by the expense of a few laps in a supercar alongside 10 other people. I booked my first road day tuition in May shortly followed by a day at Donnington and it was everything I had hoped for and more. I spent over 4 hours behind the wheel and loved every minute of it, by early afternoon I could hold my own on the track even in torrential rain where other drivers were coming off. I have since done another track day at the Bedford GT circuit and plan to do a couple more road days before going to the nurburgring in October. The whole experience has made me realise how bad a driver I was and I would recomend Mike's tuition to anyone looking to improve both their confidence and skill on the road. I have my car booked in at the end of the month for the brake upgrade and I can't wait.
Hi Mark,
I'd firmly recommend going to Bruntingthorpe with Mr Palmer. No need to worry about armco - it's a big expanse of airfield and you have to try *really* hard to hit anything. (It is just about possible to reach the trees that run down one side of the strip, but that's strictly the domain of the complete and total klutz, and if you want to try anything dramatic there's always the option of doing toward the other side where no such possibility exists.)
Tyre wear is a different matter though, and the only way to mitigate this is either (a) to get hold of some cheap and shite ones (part worns?) or (b) wait until your current ones are nearly gone then go along and crucify them in a blaze of tyresmoke. I chose option (b) in my E39 M5 a few months ago, and despite it being a damp day they were all but devoid of tread by the end of it. However, it's well worth it, there is no better way of getting to grips with limit handling, it's a far safer and less intimidating venue than a circuit and Don is a master at helping you build a foundation of skills in a stunningly short amount of time. Highly, highly recommended.
Best regards,
-= mike =-
I'd firmly recommend going to Bruntingthorpe with Mr Palmer. No need to worry about armco - it's a big expanse of airfield and you have to try *really* hard to hit anything. (It is just about possible to reach the trees that run down one side of the strip, but that's strictly the domain of the complete and total klutz, and if you want to try anything dramatic there's always the option of doing toward the other side where no such possibility exists.)
Tyre wear is a different matter though, and the only way to mitigate this is either (a) to get hold of some cheap and shite ones (part worns?) or (b) wait until your current ones are nearly gone then go along and crucify them in a blaze of tyresmoke. I chose option (b) in my E39 M5 a few months ago, and despite it being a damp day they were all but devoid of tread by the end of it. However, it's well worth it, there is no better way of getting to grips with limit handling, it's a far safer and less intimidating venue than a circuit and Don is a master at helping you build a foundation of skills in a stunningly short amount of time. Highly, highly recommended.
Best regards,
-= mike =-
speaking of porsche's going sideways...
http://www.donpalmer.co.uk/videos/porsche.htm
One day I will be able to do that too. AND look like I'm asleep whilst doing it
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