PH Run - 16th Feb 2008
Discussion
StressedDave said:
Saturday, yes
Bring yourself and a car.
E-mail me off-list for further details. I think there's around 12 of us congregating
I have every confidence it will be complete chaos, but so long as the organiser is equipped with a few copies of the Cadence DVD - with a good discount for the bulk buyer - I'm sure it'll all be OK.Bring yourself and a car.
E-mail me off-list for further details. I think there's around 12 of us congregating
Best wishes all,
Dave.
StressedDave said:
On that note, I have two blank printed media in the post on its way to me for passing to you on Saturday...
Oh, many thanks Dave.I've seen your message elsewhere - thank you for that - mentioning this, or going through the normal channels to obtain the posh versions.
As it happens I'm cooking up another little project, and may well end up having both versions, in which case I'll also contact Cadence HQ etc.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Thanks to everyone involved for a fantastic day of driving. I really learnt a great deal and am going to have great fun putting it all into practice. I'm still buzzing! I loved being a passenger in so many different and interesting cars too.
I had the chance to put my newly acquired night driving skills to the test when the closure of the A52 led me through the twisty, unlit back roads around Bottesford, Redmile and Langar - pretty much all new to me. Great
fun! The curry was a lovely end to a perfect day. I shall look forward to meeting up with all of you again soon 
I had the chance to put my newly acquired night driving skills to the test when the closure of the A52 led me through the twisty, unlit back roads around Bottesford, Redmile and Langar - pretty much all new to me. Great
fun! The curry was a lovely end to a perfect day. I shall look forward to meeting up with all of you again soon EmmaP said:
Thanks to everyone involved for a fantastic day of driving. I really learnt a great deal and am going to have great fun putting it all into practice. I'm still buzzing! I loved being a passenger in so many different and interesting cars too.
Yes that can be very nice, especially if you manage to avoid being in that clapped out old 406 with the even more clapped out old codger that tries to drive it; with steadily diminishing degrees of success, one might add. 
Actually it's been a funny sort of week for TripleS with that caper up on Teesside last Thursday afternoon. When it reaches you straight off the bat you might have thought he'd be quite pleased to be tucked up in a little room on a sort of bed, wearing very little - 3S that is, not the bed - and in the company of three quite attractive young ladies, the latter not wearing very little! Unfortunately first impressions can often be so misleading, as proved to be the case here.
This was not scheduled as an afternoon of fun and games - for any of us I imagine - as this was all about doing a prostate biopsy, with me as the star turn. Well I suppose it had to be me, since females appear to have a different component schedule and the p seems not to be fitted on that particular model. I suppose it's something less to go wrong in their case, although they might have other sources of trouble instead, not that I understand females that well. It's taken a long time for that to sink in with me, but at least it's pretty clear now.
Anyhow I suppose this was a new and fascinating experience for me, and no doubt the extracted samples will prove of interest to a suitably qualified student of these matters, and I should find out what it all amounts to in about three weeks time. This all stems from my last few blood tests, which have shown PSA readings kicking off at about 12 point something, and more recently advancing to about 20, whereas apparently a normal reading for a cove of my specification should be about 4. That, therefore, is quite a discrepancy and clearly not the way things are supposed to go, but it's what sometimes happens when you start investigating things that might have been better left alone. Well we shall see.
With regard to lighter subjects, I thank Dave for arranging things yesterday, and fixing me up with a couple of DVDs, and those who took me for nice drives in their motor cars, and indeed subjected themselves to the ordeal of seeing me attempt to do a bit of driving; and that's really where I need to try and clear one or two things up.
I've been saying for quite a while that I honestly don't see myself as an advanced driver, either now or in the future, and yet I still count myself as a driving enthusiast of a kind, and I continue to enjoy my involvement in the forums and, in my own way, at events like yesterday. It has eventually dawned on me that within our little community here there are two different types of driving enthusiast and I’d like to explain how I see it.
In the Eaton Socon gang yesterday it seemed as if everybody except me was an IAM / RoSPA / HPC member, and as such they are what I call DRIVING enthusiasts, particularly the HPC members. They are very intent on making quite positive progress all the time, and devoted to furthering their skills quite rapidly. This is the sort of style that naturally appeals to people of like mind, and they enjoy driving each other and being driven by each other, which is good.
Then there is another group, seemingly consisting of just me, for whom the priority is the TripleS designation (Swift, Smooth, Safe) that I adopted four years ago when joining PistonHeads. This is not to say that I’m disinterested in ‘making progress’ either on the road or in terms of improving my driving, but there is certainly a different degree of emphasis on the various elements of the total driving process.
I suppose the style I’m seeking to develop is the sort that would best please the ordinary passenger, i.e. one who is relatively disinterested in driving but who merely wants safe, smooth travel that can also be adequately swift when appropriate, but always comfortable and hassle-free. So far as I am able to do it that is the kind of travel I like to give my passengers, but I appreciate that falls short of what is sought by HPC people.
Please understand I’m not making criticisms of any individual, or the driving styles that may be preferred by others, but there is clearly a difference of philosophy and approach here, which may partly explain why Mark C and I had a slightly difficult time with each other yesterday morning, and I do apologise to him for that. Despite the impression I often seem to give, I am not disinterested in the learning process, but I do prefer to concentrate on refining what I’ve already got, and adding to it when I can see some benefit and I think I can make a success of applying it without upsetting what I already find works satisfactorily.
Apologies for the long post, but I would like us to understand each other as far as possible. As far as I'm concerned we're all on the same side, it's just that we're facing in slightly different directions.
Enjoy your driving, and take care.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
p1esk said:
In the Eaton Socon gang yesterday it seemed as if everybody except me was an IAM / RoSPA / HPC member.
And I thought I was the only one!I would also like to thank Dave for organising yesterday. I had an excellent afternoon and learnt a few things as well, it has certainly given me the motivation to take things further.
Hope to see you all again.
p1esk said:
...DRIVING enthusiasts...are very intent on making quite positive progress all the time, and devoted to furthering their skills quite rapidly.
Then there is another group...for whom the priority is the TripleS designation (Swift, Smooth, Safe) ...there is certainly a different degree of emphasis on the various elements of the total driving process.
I suppose the style I’m seeking to develop is the sort that would best please the ordinary passenger, i.e. one who is relatively disinterested in driving but who merely wants safe, smooth travel that can also be adequately swift when appropriate, but always comfortable and hassle-free. So far as I am able to do it that is the kind of travel I like to give my passengers, but I appreciate that falls short of what is sought by HPC people.
Dave, I would say that I, as an IAM member and follower of their philosophy, strive to be safe, smooth and systematic at all times. I certainly don't always manage to do so as well as I would like, hence my desire to attend this course and learn from other more experienced drivers. At the same time I am indeed a driving enthusiast, seeking to make positive progress where possible and safe to do so. I am also very keen to further my skills in driving and just about anything I apply myself to in life.Then there is another group...for whom the priority is the TripleS designation (Swift, Smooth, Safe) ...there is certainly a different degree of emphasis on the various elements of the total driving process.
I suppose the style I’m seeking to develop is the sort that would best please the ordinary passenger, i.e. one who is relatively disinterested in driving but who merely wants safe, smooth travel that can also be adequately swift when appropriate, but always comfortable and hassle-free. So far as I am able to do it that is the kind of travel I like to give my passengers, but I appreciate that falls short of what is sought by HPC people.
I seem to have taken a very different view of the HPC based on my experiences on Saturday. My passenger rides were safe and I was impressed by the smoothness demonstrated by each of the five drivers I went out with. They clearly demonstrated to me that when speed really needed to be brought right down it was and when it was safe to do so one could press on quite firmly. Each driver had an entirely different style, some in part due to their vehicle, its engine and performance, but that said, I could relate the HPC philosophy to each driver and drive. I hope to assimilate much of what I have learnt into my own driving.
Edited by EmmaP on Monday 18th February 11:24
EmmaP said:
I seem to have taken a very different view of the HPC based on my experiences on Saturday. My passenger rides were safe and I was impressed by the smoothness demonstrated by each of the five drivers I went out with. They clearly demonstrated to me that when speed really needed to be brought right down it was and when it was safe to do so one could press on quite firmly. Each driver had an entirely different style, some in part due to their vehicle, its engine and performance, but that said, I could relate the HPC philosophy to each driver and drive. I hope to assimilate much of what I have learnt into my own driving.
I was sorry not to be able to attend on Saturday, as it sounds like it was an excellent day.The quote above particularly caught my eye, because it demonstrated (if you'll forgive me, EmmaP, for using your comments in this way) that actually, when it comes down to it, we all have far more in common with each other - in terms of driving objectives - than these forums sometimes suggest.
I would very much hope and expect that a drive from anyone who has taken an advanced course of some sort (whether IAM, RoADA, HPC or something else) would clearly demonstrate the critical priorities of safe, systematic and smooth motoring.
Of course, each of us has different priorities when it comes to how far we take our advanced training, and each of us will choose his or her own level. Provided the basics are there (the three Ss), then that is matter of personal choice. But, as I say, it is great to hear that when disparate members of this board finally meet and drive together, misconceptions (and I don't mean that harshly) are put aside and different perspectives are put in the context of our common goal.
Kind regards
Steve
Vaux said:
EmmaP said:
I seem to have taken a very different view of the HPC based on my experiences on Saturday.
So, what were your preconceived expectations, and how were they changed?dxb335d said:
sorry i couldnt make it guys, sounds like you had a good day. I was at Sunday service, any of you do both meets over the weekend?!
No Sunday Service for me as I was observing early on Sunday. I doubt that I could have managed that much driving in one weekend given that I had to come from Nottingham via north Newark. It looked like there were some fantastic cars on show.EmmaP said:
Vaux said:
EmmaP said:
I seem to have taken a very different view of the HPC based on my experiences on Saturday.
So, what were your preconceived expectations, and how were they changed?In the meantime please be assured that I'm not wishing to criticise any individuals or groups, and I apologise if I've upset anybody.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
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