What car has the best pedal set up for heel and toe?

What car has the best pedal set up for heel and toe?

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Scoobman

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450 posts

206 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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In your experience what cars have had the best set up for this - in standard form?

Often I get in cars and my smallish feet wont get across the two pedals...or the pedal height is too different etc.

(Out of interest I drove a new Fiat and Vaxhaul at the weekend and they both didnt have the ´´fourth pedal´´ the foot rest to the left side of the clutch.)

agent006

12,040 posts

265 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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Every BMW i've driven has had a great pedal setup for heel and toeing.

BOF

991 posts

224 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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agent006 said:
Every BMW i've driven has had a great pedal setup for heel and toeing.
Maybe, just maybe, they will have indicators one day...

BOF biggrin

misunderstood

93 posts

196 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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One shouldn't be heel and toeing on the public roads anyway!

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

208 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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misunderstood said:
One shouldn't be heel and toeing on the public roads anyway!
Who says?.

misunderstood

93 posts

196 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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WhoseGeneration said:
misunderstood said:
One shouldn't be heel and toeing on the public roads anyway!
Who says?.
The law says. Heel and towing is for swift actions and things should be taken at a slower pace while driving on the road. I don't even heel and toe in my racing car.

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

208 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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misunderstood said:
WhoseGeneration said:
misunderstood said:
One shouldn't be heel and toeing on the public roads anyway!
Who says?.
The law says. Heel and towing is for swift actions and things should be taken at a slower pace while driving on the road. I don't even heel and toe in my racing car.
Which law might that be?.
I often heel and toe at a very leisurely pace in certain situations on Public roads.

mph999

2,715 posts

221 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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misunderstood said:
WhoseGeneration said:
misunderstood said:
One shouldn't be heel and toeing on the public roads anyway!
Who says?.
The law says. Heel and towing is for swift actions and things should be taken at a slower pace while driving on the road. I don't even heel and toe in my racing car.
I think you've been mis-informed. Yes, it can be used for "swift" actions, but always. On the odd occassion I overlap my braking and gear change, I may well heel and toe to allow matched revs. Nothing "quick" about it, just a nice normal paced gearchange.

Martin

LordGrover

33,549 posts

213 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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BOF said:
agent006 said:
Every BMW i've driven has had a great pedal setup for heel and toeing.
Maybe, just maybe, they will have indicators one day...

BOF biggrin

wink

crisisjez

9,209 posts

206 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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misunderstood said:
One shouldn't be heel and toeing on the public roads anyway!
Nope, read and reread the OP, still can`t find the bit that says `on the public highway`.

Has it been deleted? smile



agent006

12,040 posts

265 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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BOF said:
Maybe, just maybe, they will have indicators one day...
The same day that Jags stop being delivered with free flat cap and blazer maybe....

spikeyhead

17,340 posts

198 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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The only car that I've not been able to heal and toe in was a Citreon BX which had the brake pedal about a foot off the floor and a GO pedal that was no more than two inches off the floor.

I almost always heal and toe, mostly cos I find t gives a smoother gear change when going down the box.

BertBert

19,071 posts

212 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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misunderstood said:
WhoseGeneration said:
misunderstood said:
One shouldn't be heel and toeing on the public roads anyway!
Who says?.
The law says. Heel and towing is for swift actions and things should be taken at a slower pace while driving on the road. I don't even heel and toe in my racing car.
Not at all. "Advanced Driving" wont make much use of it as it involves and overlap.

I often do it (not being an Advanced Driver), can't find a prohibition in the HC.

Porkies and TVRs are good with pedals. It's having the organ pedal throttle that helps.

BErt

TheGriffalo

72,857 posts

240 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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misunderstood said:
WhoseGeneration said:
misunderstood said:
One shouldn't be heel and toeing on the public roads anyway!
Who says?.
The law says. Heel and towing is for swift actions and things should be taken at a slower pace while driving on the road. I don't even heel and toe in my racing car.
No it's not, it's merely the act of covering two pedals with one foot. Done correctly it gives you a smoother downchange.

I love the way people just make stuff up on the internet. Against the law my arse hehe

waremark

3,242 posts

214 months

Wednesday 30th January 2008
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misunderstood said:
WhoseGeneration said:
misunderstood said:
One shouldn't be heel and toeing on the public roads anyway!
Who says?.
The law says. Heel and towing is for swift actions and things should be taken at a slower pace while driving on the road. I don't even heel and toe in my racing car.
Not only is H & T acceptable in relation to HWC, but surely it is also acceptable in relation to Roadcraft, which identifies specific situations in which BGOL is appropriate?

I agree with others who say that H & T does not necessarily imply late braking or a rushed gearchange.

But why would you not do it in a race car? Do you finish braking before you change down, or do you change down without rev-matching? Surely the first would waste time, and the second would be mechanically wearing and risk locking the wheels?

Colonial

13,553 posts

206 months

Thursday 31st January 2008
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I heel and toe because it gives a smoother downshift. Plus I enjoy the skill of it. Plus the synchro in a car I sometimes drive is knackered on third gear so I need to a double declutch anyway so may as well combine the two

Pfft. Some people talk poo. Illegal my arse.

Scoobman

Original Poster:

450 posts

206 months

Thursday 31st January 2008
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misunderstood said:
One shouldn't be heel and toeing on the public roads anyway!
I think you misunderstood


Some mothers do have em!


Anyway thanks for the replies - TVR, Porkers and BMWs get your vote so far

Get Karter

1,934 posts

202 months

Thursday 31st January 2008
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Once you learn it, it should be do-able in most cars.

I have a Honda Civic and a Ford Focus.
Both are easy to heal toe.



Edited by Get Karter on Thursday 31st January 11:56

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

199 months

Thursday 31st January 2008
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Cars generally seem to be a bit better about pedal spacing these days. Older hondas and nissans seemed particularly bad, pedals miles apart.
My mitsi has a nice set up - the ordinary Suzuki Swift did also, but the pedals in the Swift Sport were bizarrely too far apart, IMO.
Only way to be sure is to nuke the entire site from orbit sit in the car and try I guess.

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

208 months

Thursday 31st January 2008
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Scoobman said:
In your experience what cars have had the best set up for this - in standard form?

Often I get in cars and my smallish feet wont get across the two pedals...or the pedal height is too different etc.

(Out of interest I drove a new Fiat and Vaxhaul at the weekend and they both didnt have the ´´fourth pedal´´ the foot rest to the left side of the clutch.)
Yup, left footrest, lottery, as to it's provision.
Now, new cars, even if you find a model that seems to suit your feet with regard to this exotic method, drive it and try H&T.
It appears FBW accelerator pedals and engine management computers, on some, don't like your wanting brakes and revs.
I've discussed this on here and another Motoring forum.
I've not yet seen a reply from one who is responsible for design input or decisions on this.
Some might argue it's catering for the "standard driver".