New Volvo V60 Launched!

[RumbleOfThunder]

[flatso]

jamoor said:

MadmanO/T People said:

Former Volvo owner here.

I want to like this car. It looks fantastic and I'm sure it drives well. But I cannot, in good conscience, buy a car from a Chinese owned company.

Most Chinese companies are, at least in part, state owned. This means that whenever you buy Chinese, you are supporting a brutal, totalitarian dictatorship with an appalling human right record. As much as I may like this car, I'm afraid Chinese ownership is a deal breaker.

Sorry, but Chinese Volvo is dead to me.

Or you're supporting a regime that has provided facilities for the population such as roads, high speed rail that's affordable and accessible to all
You're also supporting a regime that has single handedly lifted hundreds of millions of people out of utter poverty.

Depends which way you look at it. The media is happy to brainwash people like you by focusing on a tiny minority of cases Vs 1.something billion people who live in China.

After massacring 80-90 million living humans, uncountable forced abortions, erasing thousands of years of culture, forcing hundreds of millions into the most criminal social experiment in human history....yeah man, the few rail lines and bunch of highways were really worth the price. No, it does not matter from which angle you look at it. Mass genocide caanot be argumented with rail lines. Your ignorant, sociopathic arguments are reprehensible and offensive to half the plantet that had to endure the ideology that still guides that most grotesque regime. Shame on you!

[Fastdruid]

Looks like the diesel version will be short lived.

https://carbuzz.com/news/volvo-won-t-sell-you-a-di...

[Filibuster]

flatso said:

jamoor said:

MadmanO/T People said:

Former Volvo owner here.

I want to like this car. It looks fantastic and I'm sure it drives well. But I cannot, in good conscience, buy a car from a Chinese owned company.

Most Chinese companies are, at least in part, state owned. This means that whenever you buy Chinese, you are supporting a brutal, totalitarian dictatorship with an appalling human right record. As much as I may like this car, I'm afraid Chinese ownership is a deal breaker.

Sorry, but Chinese Volvo is dead to me.

Or you're supporting a regime that has provided facilities for the population such as roads, high speed rail that's affordable and accessible to all
You're also supporting a regime that has single handedly lifted hundreds of millions of people out of utter poverty.

Depends which way you look at it. The media is happy to brainwash people like you by focusing on a tiny minority of cases Vs 1.something billion people who live in China.

After massacring 80-90 million living humans, uncountable forced abortions, erasing thousands of years of culture, forcing hundreds of millions into the most criminal social experiment in human history....yeah man, the few rail lines and bunch of highways were really worth the price. No, it does not matter from which angle you look at it. Mass genocide caanot be argumented with rail lines. Your ignorant, sociopathic arguments are reprehensible and offensive to half the plantet that had to endure the ideology that still guides that most grotesque regime. Shame on you!

Putting this argument besides, where is the V60 built?
IIRC the S90 is built in China, the V90 is built in Sweden. The XC90 is built in both countries (and you don't know if you receive a car that has been built in China or Sweden until you have received it). Is this true??

[soupdragon1]

flatso said:

jamoor said:

MadmanO/T People said:

Former Volvo owner here.

I want to like this car. It looks fantastic and I'm sure it drives well. But I cannot, in good conscience, buy a car from a Chinese owned company.

Most Chinese companies are, at least in part, state owned. This means that whenever you buy Chinese, you are supporting a brutal, totalitarian dictatorship with an appalling human right record. As much as I may like this car, I'm afraid Chinese ownership is a deal breaker.

Sorry, but Chinese Volvo is dead to me.

Or you're supporting a regime that has provided facilities for the population such as roads, high speed rail that's affordable and accessible to all
You're also supporting a regime that has single handedly lifted hundreds of millions of people out of utter poverty.

Depends which way you look at it. The media is happy to brainwash people like you by focusing on a tiny minority of cases Vs 1.something billion people who live in China.

After massacring 80-90 million living humans, uncountable forced abortions, erasing thousands of years of culture, forcing hundreds of millions into the most criminal social experiment in human history....yeah man, the few rail lines and bunch of highways were really worth the price. No, it does not matter from which angle you look at it. Mass genocide caanot be argumented with rail lines. Your ignorant, sociopathic arguments are reprehensible and offensive to half the plantet that had to endure the ideology that still guides that most grotesque regime. Shame on you!

the irony is that the devices we are using to post anti-china posts will have a lot of their components manufactured in China. Where do you draw the line in the china 'boycott'?

[Triumph Man]

flatso said:

jamoor said:

MadmanO/T People said:

Former Volvo owner here.

I want to like this car. It looks fantastic and I'm sure it drives well. But I cannot, in good conscience, buy a car from a Chinese owned company.

Most Chinese companies are, at least in part, state owned. This means that whenever you buy Chinese, you are supporting a brutal, totalitarian dictatorship with an appalling human right record. As much as I may like this car, I'm afraid Chinese ownership is a deal breaker.

Sorry, but Chinese Volvo is dead to me.

Or you're supporting a regime that has provided facilities for the population such as roads, high speed rail that's affordable and accessible to all
You're also supporting a regime that has single handedly lifted hundreds of millions of people out of utter poverty.

Depends which way you look at it. The media is happy to brainwash people like you by focusing on a tiny minority of cases Vs 1.something billion people who live in China.

After massacring 80-90 million living humans, uncountable forced abortions, erasing thousands of years of culture, forcing hundreds of millions into the most criminal social experiment in human history....yeah man, the few rail lines and bunch of highways were really worth the price. No, it does not matter from which angle you look at it. Mass genocide caanot be argumented with rail lines. Your ignorant, sociopathic arguments are reprehensible and offensive to half the plantet that had to endure the ideology that still guides that most grotesque regime. Shame on you!

I'd be willing top forgive all that if they brought back 5 cylinder engines.

[bloomen]

I think these are great looking cars but hot damn are they enormous. I'm sure there are plenty of places I wouldn't want to take one for fear of scraping the hell out of it and that includes common or garden car parks.

[flatso]

soupdragon1 said:

flatso said:

jamoor said:

MadmanO/T People said:

Former Volvo owner here.

I want to like this car. It looks fantastic and I'm sure it drives well. But I cannot, in good conscience, buy a car from a Chinese owned company.

Most Chinese companies are, at least in part, state owned. This means that whenever you buy Chinese, you are supporting a brutal, totalitarian dictatorship with an appalling human right record. As much as I may like this car, I'm afraid Chinese ownership is a deal breaker.

Sorry, but Chinese Volvo is dead to me.

Or you're supporting a regime that has provided facilities for the population such as roads, high speed rail that's affordable and accessible to all
You're also supporting a regime that has single handedly lifted hundreds of millions of people out of utter poverty.

Depends which way you look at it. The media is happy to brainwash people like you by focusing on a tiny minority of cases Vs 1.something billion people who live in China.

After massacring 80-90 million living humans, uncountable forced abortions, erasing thousands of years of culture, forcing hundreds of millions into the most criminal social experiment in human history....yeah man, the few rail lines and bunch of highways were really worth the price. No, it does not matter from which angle you look at it. Mass genocide caanot be argumented with rail lines. Your ignorant, sociopathic arguments are reprehensible and offensive to half the plantet that had to endure the ideology that still guides that most grotesque regime. Shame on you!

the irony is that the devices we are using to post anti-china posts will have a lot of their components manufactured in China. Where do you draw the line in the china 'boycott'?

Good question...however these are not anti China posts, just truth served to marxist apologists. You may do what you please with your money, but as soon as you start using low budget arguments for genocide on a biblical scale you need some history lessons and a good look in the mirror.

[snake_oil]

Fastdruid said:

Looks like the diesel version will be short lived.

https://carbuzz.com/news/volvo-won-t-sell-you-a-di...

Someone has to be the first of course - but this will hit sales bigtime imo. I think they are jumping 5 years too early. There is still a place for diesel vehicles for people who do large mileages.

[Fastdruid]

snake_oil said:

Fastdruid said:

Looks like the diesel version will be short lived.

https://carbuzz.com/news/volvo-won-t-sell-you-a-di...

Someone has to be the first of course - but this will hit sales bigtime imo. I think they are jumping 5 years too early. There is still a place for diesel vehicles for people who do large mileages.

They're not the first.

https://carbuzz.com/news/fca-will-be-the-next-auto...
https://carbuzz.com/news/nissan-ending-diesel-pass...
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-is-killing-off-die...

[RizzoTheRat]

Fastdruid said:

Looks like the diesel version will be short lived.

https://carbuzz.com/news/volvo-won-t-sell-you-a-di...

Which is a shame as I believe Volvo are one of the only manufacturers to offer a diesel plug in hybrid, which makes a lot of sense to me, electric around town and diesel for the motorway.

[snake_oil]

Fastdruid said:

snake_oil said:

Fastdruid said:

Looks like the diesel version will be short lived.

https://carbuzz.com/news/volvo-won-t-sell-you-a-di...

Someone has to be the first of course - but this will hit sales bigtime imo. I think they are jumping 5 years too early. There is still a place for diesel vehicles for people who do large mileages.

They're not the first.

https://carbuzz.com/news/fca-will-be-the-next-auto...
https://carbuzz.com/news/nissan-ending-diesel-pass...
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-is-killing-off-die...

2022; no date; end of this year. But wotevs. You get my point. Right?

[soupdragon1]

flatso said:

soupdragon1 said:

flatso said:

jamoor said:

MadmanO/T People said:

Former Volvo owner here.

I want to like this car. It looks fantastic and I'm sure it drives well. But I cannot, in good conscience, buy a car from a Chinese owned company.

Most Chinese companies are, at least in part, state owned. This means that whenever you buy Chinese, you are supporting a brutal, totalitarian dictatorship with an appalling human right record. As much as I may like this car, I'm afraid Chinese ownership is a deal breaker.

Sorry, but Chinese Volvo is dead to me.

Or you're supporting a regime that has provided facilities for the population such as roads, high speed rail that's affordable and accessible to all
You're also supporting a regime that has single handedly lifted hundreds of millions of people out of utter poverty.

Depends which way you look at it. The media is happy to brainwash people like you by focusing on a tiny minority of cases Vs 1.something billion people who live in China.

After massacring 80-90 million living humans, uncountable forced abortions, erasing thousands of years of culture, forcing hundreds of millions into the most criminal social experiment in human history....yeah man, the few rail lines and bunch of highways were really worth the price. No, it does not matter from which angle you look at it. Mass genocide caanot be argumented with rail lines. Your ignorant, sociopathic arguments are reprehensible and offensive to half the plantet that had to endure the ideology that still guides that most grotesque regime. Shame on you!

the irony is that the devices we are using to post anti-china posts will have a lot of their components manufactured in China. Where do you draw the line in the china 'boycott'?

Good question...however these are not anti China posts, just truth served to marxist apologists. You may do what you please with your money, but as soon as you start using low budget arguments for genocide on a biblical scale you need some history lessons and a good look in the mirror.

On a scale of 1-100, my knowledge of China and its history is about 1 or 2. Just making people aware that China will touch a lot of things in our lives.

[Fastdruid]

snake_oil said:

Fastdruid said:

snake_oil said:

Fastdruid said:

Looks like the diesel version will be short lived.

https://carbuzz.com/news/volvo-won-t-sell-you-a-di...

Someone has to be the first of course - but this will hit sales bigtime imo. I think they are jumping 5 years too early. There is still a place for diesel vehicles for people who do large mileages.

They're not the first.

https://carbuzz.com/news/fca-will-be-the-next-auto...
https://carbuzz.com/news/nissan-ending-diesel-pass...
https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-is-killing-off-die...

2022; no date; end of this year. But wotevs. You get my point. Right?

Does anyone really *love* diesel that much though? It's all about the economy and so if the hybrids cost less per mile and make the same performance who cares?

Besides, although some might be buying them due to high mileage it looks like the death knell for diesel being popular has been sounded. The arse has dropped out of the market.

[flatso]

soupdragon1 said:

flatso said:

soupdragon1 said:

flatso said:

jamoor said:

MadmanO/T People said:

Former Volvo owner here.

I want to like this car. It looks fantastic and I'm sure it drives well. But I cannot, in good conscience, buy a car from a Chinese owned company.

Most Chinese companies are, at least in part, state owned. This means that whenever you buy Chinese, you are supporting a brutal, totalitarian dictatorship with an appalling human right record. As much as I may like this car, I'm afraid Chinese ownership is a deal breaker.

Sorry, but Chinese Volvo is dead to me.

Or you're supporting a regime that has provided facilities for the population such as roads, high speed rail that's affordable and accessible to all
You're also supporting a regime that has single handedly lifted hundreds of millions of people out of utter poverty.

Depends which way you look at it. The media is happy to brainwash people like you by focusing on a tiny minority of cases Vs 1.something billion people who live in China.

After massacring 80-90 million living humans, uncountable forced abortions, erasing thousands of years of culture, forcing hundreds of millions into the most criminal social experiment in human history....yeah man, the few rail lines and bunch of highways were really worth the price. No, it does not matter from which angle you look at it. Mass genocide caanot be argumented with rail lines. Your ignorant, sociopathic arguments are reprehensible and offensive to half the plantet that had to endure the ideology that still guides that most grotesque regime. Shame on you!

the irony is that the devices we are using to post anti-china posts will have a lot of their components manufactured in China. Where do you draw the line in the china 'boycott'?

Good question...however these are not anti China posts, just truth served to marxist apologists. You may do what you please with your money, but as soon as you start using low budget arguments for genocide on a biblical scale you need some history lessons and a good look in the mirror.

On a scale of 1-100, my knowledge of China and its history is about 1 or 2. Just making people aware that China will touch a lot of things in our lives.

Too bad, a crying shame actually! Here something as an introduction to what inspired Chairman Mao.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0lv9Rjq44zA&t=0s...

After watching this and getting warmed up, you can start learning about mao's great leap forward.

The V60 is a gorgeous looking estate!

[MYOB]

bloomen said:

I think these are great looking cars but hot damn are they enormous. I'm sure there are plenty of places I wouldn't want to take one for fear of scraping the hell out of it and that includes common or garden car parks.

Do you mean the V90? V60 is not exceptionally large.

[snake_oil]

Fastdruid said:

Does anyone really *love* diesel that much though? It's all about the economy and so if the hybrids cost less per mile and make the same performance who cares?

Besides, although some might be buying them due to high mileage it looks like the death knell for diesel being popular has been sounded. The arse has dropped out of the market.

No, they don't love them. Probably. Of course they don't.

I don't think hybrids cost less per mile when you are doing big miles. You don't buy a Prius to plough the M4 as it'll hardly be on electric. Hybrids have their place and it's around town and for short journeys.

[Sixpackpert]

snake_oil said:

Fastdruid said:

Looks like the diesel version will be short lived.

https://carbuzz.com/news/volvo-won-t-sell-you-a-di...

Someone has to be the first of course - but this will hit sales bigtime imo. I think they are jumping 5 years too early. There is still a place for diesel vehicles for people who do large mileages.

Or those of us that tow wobble boxes.

I had an XC90 T8 for a weekend test drive. It was good, quick, comfortabel and spacious, everything I wanted.

THen after some digiging I found a tow review, once the batteries were empty, which was quick when towing, you are using a 300bhp petrol engine with attrocious economy of 15mpg.

Couple this with the fact that the fuel tank is only 50 litres (made smaller to accomodate the batteries) made me go for a diesel Superb in the end.

[GreatGranny]

Sixpackpert said:

Or those of us that tow wobble boxes.

I had an XC90 T8 for a weekend test drive. It was good, quick, comfortabel and spacious, everything I wanted.

THen after some digiging I found a tow review, once the batteries were empty, which was quick when towing, you are using a 300bhp petrol engine with attrocious economy of 15mpg.

Couple this with the fact that the fuel tank is only 50 litres (made smaller to accomodate the batteries) made me go for a diesel Superb in the end.

Eh?

Why not the diesel version of the XC90 or the XC60?

Both better towcars than the Superb and much better looking IMO.

[bloomen]

MYOB said:

Do you mean the V90? V60 is not exceptionally large.

Ah. Maybe I do.