Warhammer 40k

[Sway]

Mannginger said:

Nope - linky? I like lolling at dump folks

Most comprehensive summary I've seen is here:

https://spikeybits.com/2017/08/games-workshop-is-b...

IANAL, especially when it's under US legislation, but m'learned friends will I think come to the same conclusion that others have - that he's having a bloody laugh, and might have actually got somewhere with his core complaints if he didn't put so much emphasis on ridiculous claims.

[KarlMac]

It does make me laugh that out of everyone it's the yanks that seem to have the biggest issue with Games Workshop's pricing structure, a conveintly missing the fact that if they still buy it then there's no incentive for GW to change.

[Sway]

They are getting even more cheeky...

Seen the price of the primaris librarian in Australia? Nearly £60 for a single plastic figure! Plus total lock down on supply and pricing.

They also lie through their teeth - 'replacing expensive army specific codices for cheap faction indices' - which lasted less than a month!

Surprised they didn't get a class action against them for what they did with warhammer fantasy - multiple official statements that they were working on a 'new edition' and that all current factions would reman - only to retcon the entire universe, bringing out age of sigmar with hardly any overlap of playable models...

Wayland Games seem unable to get any stock from Nottingham.

They've always been known for being commercially aggressive, but recent history seems to take it to a new level.

[anonymous-user]

I remember when GM were a tiny outfit with one shop in Hammersmith. Now they straddle the Cosmos. and feck with it when they can.

That US litigant does, however, sound like Loon Jack McLoon winning the Mr Loon Prize on International Loon Day.

[KarlMac]

Breadvan72 said:

I remember when GM were a tiny outfit with one shop in Hammersmith. Now they straddle the Cosmos. and feck with it when they can.

That US litigant does, however, sound like Loon Jack McLoon winning the Mr Loon Prize on International Loon Day.

As someone cleverer than me said, it's sounds like a YouTube comments rant.

[KarlMac]

While I'm here, I am fond of a good kit bashing.

[anonymous-user]

KarlMac said:

Breadvan72 said:

I remember when GM were a tiny outfit with one shop in Hammersmith. Now they straddle the Cosmos. and feck with it when they can.

That US litigant does, however, sound like Loon Jack McLoon winning the Mr Loon Prize on International Loon Day.

As someone cleverer than me said, it's sounds like a YouTube comments rant.

Or about as rational and well informed as the typical Pistonheads N,P& E thread about migrants, lefties, the BBC, climate change, etc.

[Sway]

Breadvan72 said:

I remember when GM were a tiny outfit with one shop in Hammersmith. Now they straddle the Cosmos. and feck with it when they can.

That US litigant does, however, sound like Loon Jack McLoon winning the Mr Loon Prize on International Loon Day.

Didn't realise the Hammersmith shop was the first - was just opposite my school...

[KarlMac]

Sway said:

Breadvan72 said:

I remember when GM were a tiny outfit with one shop in Hammersmith. Now they straddle the Cosmos. and feck with it when they can.

That US litigant does, however, sound like Loon Jack McLoon winning the Mr Loon Prize on International Loon Day.

Didn't realise the Hammersmith shop was the first - was just opposite my school...

Was always a strange one given they were all based in Nottingham at the time

[Sway]

KarlMac said:

Sway said:

Breadvan72 said:

I remember when GM were a tiny outfit with one shop in Hammersmith. Now they straddle the Cosmos. and feck with it when they can.

That US litigant does, however, sound like Loon Jack McLoon winning the Mr Loon Prize on International Loon Day.

Didn't realise the Hammersmith shop was the first - was just opposite my school...

Was always a strange one given they were all based in Nottingham at the time

Five decent public schools within a mile radius...

Apple's first store in the UK was just down the road in Chiswick, although they now seem to ignore that it ever existed (press release in 2004 claims the first Apple store was opened then).

[anonymous-user]

I made one of my first ever tube journeys across from Gant's Hill to Hammersmith some time in the late 1970s, to shop at GW in Hammersmith. I was looking for sci-fi figures with which to play "Traveller" (always my fave RPG). I lived near Birmingham at the time, but had cousins in Southend and was staying with them. My uncle drove us from Southend and dropped us at Gant's Hill station on his way to work, and off we went. The only gamer shop in Birmingham at that time was a tiny place under a vinyl record store, next to what I later came to realise was a knocking shop. The gamer place did not have much stock, so the GM shop seemed a cornucopia of fabulousness. Not long after that, GW opened a gaming store in a shopping centre in central Birmingham,and I bought a lot of Dungeons and Dragons and Traveller stuff there. In the tiny gamer shop in Brum I bought a copy of the great mini-game "Ogre". I still have it!

[DavidY]

Ogre was a fanstastic game, very playable (unlike early Traveller!!)

I too visited the GW shop in Hammersmith when it was the only GW shop back in the 70's, we also had the Games Centre in Hanway Street (big stockist of AValon Hill and SPI games), the Skytrex shop near Victoria (1/300th WWII and Modern) and the Ros and Heroics shop near the IWM (Elephant and Castle) (loads of 1/300th stuff)

I bought White Dwarf No 1 from GW Hammersmith, and had nos 1-30, what would they be worth today, gave them away in about 1987!!!

[anonymous-user]

Early Traveller had its wrinkles, but was arguably not as unplayable as Avalon Hill's "Squad Leader"!

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 12th August 22:32

[anonymous-user]

But the unplayable mega boardgame prize may go to GDW's "Fifth Frontier War", so Traveller wins it after all. By contrast, GDW's "Imperium" and "Dark Nebula" were mucho playable and good fun.

PS: ditto re White Dwarf, alas.

[DavidY]

Breadvan72 said:

Early Traveller had its wrinkles, but was arguably not as unplayable as Avalon Hill's "Squad Leader"!

Edited by Breadvan72 on Saturday 12th August 22:32

Breadvan72 said:

But the unplayable mega boardgame prize may go to GDW's "Fifth Frontier War", so Traveller wins it after all. By contrast, GDW's "Imperium" and "Dark Nebula" were mucho playable and good fun.

PS: ditto re White Dwarf, alas.

No Squad Leader was ok, you just needed to allow 5 hours to play a half hour scenario, that would 4.5 hours re-reading rules!!!

On the whole Avalon Hill's games were well playtested, unlike SPI who just seemed to go for biggest is best, you know 20 maps and 4000+ counters, etc, etc

Yes Dark Nebula was good.

Sounds like we had the same misplaced youth!!!

[anonymous-user]

The only thing worse than Squad Leader for mega rule-complexity was a game called (IIRC) Once Upon a Time in the West which was a western gunfighter game that was impossibly detailed and effectively unplayable in the pre computer era.

Before getting into RPGs, I mainly played Ancients using the WRG rules, and also used the WRG pike and shot rules for C17 Poles vs Swedes and Poles v Turks. Modern tabletop rules seem good and fast moving by comparison with the 70s stuff.

15mm Seven Years War capers. Some Prussians attacking the sleepy Silesian town of Katzenjammer, defended by some Austrians-

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 13th August 17:13

[DavidY]

Yes, did most of the WRG stuff esp WWII and Modern in 1/300th

Of the modern stuff, I think that Warmachine/Hordes MKII and Bolt Action both strike the right balance between rule complexity and playability. GW have really lost their way, and become too much of a money making machine relying on a high turnover of younger players with affluent parents.

[Rick_1138]

DavidY said:

Yes, did most of the WRG stuff esp WWII and Modern in 1/300th

Of the modern stuff, I think that Warmachine/Hordes MKII and Bolt Action both strike the right balance between rule complexity and playability. GW have really lost their way, and become too much of a money making machine relying on a high turnover of younger players with affluent parents.

If say HE has really started to turn away from that in the last 6 month to a year. With much simpler rulesets for 2 main game systems, much more intro packs and boxed games that allow quick play and varied entry options for the main systems.

There changed A LOT since Kirby the old CEO was moved sideways for the new incumbent who is doing grwat things.

[kowalski655]

Blimey this takes me back
I too used to travel across London to the original Games Workshop, and the virgin Games Centre in Oxford St too. Had Traveller & quite a few expansion sets but never really played them. Never even touched D&D, mates & I preferred Tunnels & Trolls, as well as the Steve Jackson Games "Melee" & "Wizard". Also had a lot of other SJG games, Car Wars, Ogre,& it's sequel G.E.V.
Then progressed to proper wargames,WRG 6th & 7th of course, but also Shock of Impact(less faffing with casualties), then DBA too. I was an avid consumer of army lists,had way too many for my needs, and even got shot of some armies:gave my Napoleonic Austrians to the son of a friend of mum's(little sodd repainted them as French!!!), 6mm SYW French left at a mates house after a big game,and the entire Swiss army list (500+ infantry, and 12 knights painted in every colour of the rainbow) left with another mate. In the end I had to get shot of them all due to lack of space(and an annoyed wife) so several armies went in the bin
Now its all on PC:Total War of course,Field of Glory(again I got all the armies just to be a completist, but they were on sale),& Pike & Shot:campaigns for Renaissance stuff. Although I have for the past few months been looking at rules for miniatures again(recapturing my mis-spent youth?) at an army level, as I have promoted myself to Marshal of the Empire now

[rich1231]

Sway said:

They are getting even more cheeky...

Seen the price of the primaris librarian in Australia? Nearly £60 for a single plastic figure! Plus total lock down on supply and pricing.

They also lie through their teeth - 'replacing expensive army specific codices for cheap faction indices' - which lasted less than a month!

Surprised they didn't get a class action against them for what they did with warhammer fantasy - multiple official statements that they were working on a 'new edition' and that all current factions would reman - only to retcon the entire universe, bringing out age of sigmar with hardly any overlap of playable models...

Wayland Games seem unable to get any stock from Nottingham.

They've always been known for being commercially aggressive, but recent history seems to take it to a new level.

That's need to me about Wayland... Considering I am the owner