Warhammer 40k

[Nuclearsquash]

I've been playing around with some forge world stuff recently, painting some pre-heresy colour schemes.


Sons of Horus 4 by Nuclearsquash, on Flickr


Sons of Horus 3 by Nuclearsquash, on Flickr


Pre-Heresy Word Bearer 4 by Nuclearsquash, on Flickr

[scrubchub]

I used to be a Warhammer player (preferred the game to 40K), and actually went to the Grand Tournament once - I came 93rd out of 108! Been thinkning of getting back into it, but I won't be putting up any pictures of my minatures, my painting just isn't good enough. If I put in enough time then I can get them looking presentable at least but I just don't understand how people get some of their models looking so good.

Also, thanks for whoever pointed out Wayland Games. Games Workshop is ludicrously pricey, but that place takes the sting out a little.

[rich1231]

PH day at Wayland/Tabletop Nation?

I will get some special people to do some tutorials too.

[Sway]

Right, as I was never allowed this in my youth, I've just gone and bought Dark Vengeance at the ripe age of thirty. Told the missus she's learning to play too so I'm not playing with myself...

Sent Rich a mail this morning asking for advice on which paints to get, then got stoopidly impatient and just spunked a further 70 quid at the Games Workshop store I found out was down the road from the office I'm in at the moment...

I have:

The hobby starter set comprising:
Imperial primer
White Scar
Macragge Blue
Waagh flesh
Bugman's glow
Mephiston red
Averland sunset
Mournfang brown
Leadbelcher

On top of that, I was fairly easily persuaded by the chappie to add:

Black spray primer
Carroburg crimson
Biel-tan green
Reikland fleshshade
Caliban green
Zandri dust
Agrax earthshade
Balthasar gold
Nuln oil

Plus a few brushes.

I was assured that this would enable me to paint pretty much everything except the dark angel terminators to a decent standard. Only have two problems...

Which paints do I use on what? Fully appreciate this is asking a lot.

Oh, and I'm colourblind. Nothing you guys can do to help that, but this could be an expensive mistake!!

Luckily, t'other half is a pretty decent watercolour artist, so hoping she'll chip in. Just need to give her decent instructions so I can supervise appropriately!

Lastly, please let me know if I've been advised correctly in paint choice. The guy seemed decent, but he could have sold me anything without me realising...

Cheers fellas, I'll post up results for giggles/critique.

Sam

[Sway]

st. Just realised I'm working pretty close to Wayland. That would have been cheaper.

Do they have a storefront or are they purely mail order?

[z4chris99]

i have SOOOOOO much of this stuff in my basement, easily 5 grands worth.. will dig it out next time im home i seem to remember i wasn't too bad at painting the little fellas.. used to play every week down the local YMCA..

yes i was a loser.

[Sway]

z4chris99 said:

i have SOOOOOO much of this stuff in my basement, easily 5 grands worth.. will dig it out next time im home i seem to remember i wasn't too bad at painting the little fellas.. used to play every week down the local YMCA..

yes i was a loser.

Fooking hell, I thought I was bad spending £150 on a childhood whim!

[rich1231]

sorry Sway, got your message, seems you have already bought your paints

We do have a store front too.

[Mutley]

A silly question, but what is the difference between Warhammer and 40K? I thought they were the same thing???

[JFReturns]

One is olden days one is in the far future, I.e. Spears vs. laser guns

[Sway]

rich1231 said:

sorry Sway, got your message, seems you have already bought your paints

We do have a store front too.

Sorry fella, impatience got the better of me.

Back in Southend next week so will head over, sure you'll have some bits I'll want/ need...

Are you normally around?

[rich1231]

Yep most days.

[Sway]

Right then.

Looks like it'll be a few months before I can enter Golden Demon. Wasn't counting on that.

Started painting my Dark Vengeance set with the 'easy' ones - the dark angel tactical marines. Underfoot in chaosbblack, then 3 or 4 very thin coats of caliban green. At this point the colour is perfect, just very flat.

So, painted up the details like the gun/chest eagle/pipes etc. with leadbelcher. Eyes with red, all that stuff. Neatness is fine, can put paint where I want it.

Onto the wash, nuln oil daubed liberally over the whole thing. Shadows look good in the crevices, the gun looks awesome, feeling dead chuffed. Just needs highlighting.

This is where it all goes horribly wrong. I watched a few YouTube instructional videos, all saying the same thing. Lighten up the base coat (in my case with a dab of yellow). Thin to a bit runnier than the basecoat. Paint where the light would hit. Repeat, adding a little more yellow, a little more water. Paint less each time until you're just putting afine line on the very edge of the panel.

Whilst doing this, the bloody thing looks amazing. So dimensional, detailed, awesome.

Then the little grey plastic fker dries. The carefully blended highlights really aren't blended at all, and look st. Properly st. Like I've painted really bright water on the panels and it's left a dried ring mark. Far too overdone and defined, yet I'm using a lot less of my brighter colour in the mix compared to the examples (maybe just about hitting 1.5:1 caliban green to yellow, the vids were going to 1:3 !!).

Thinking I'm doing something fundamental wrong. Any ideas?

Going to try a wash of biel tan green to try and tone down the transitions, but really confused why it's not blending - I'm essentially wet mixing on the model which should pretty much guarantee a nice blend surely?

Rich - will be popping over to you Thursday. I have a list! Any guru painters at your place that wouldn't mind helping out a numpty?

[KarlMac]

Had a huge collection when I was younger, going back 17ish years ago. 1st & 2nd company of blood angels, missing one or two units. Also had a choas horde. Gun metal with black/yellow. Specialists in urban siege warfare, can't remember their name.

Also got into the race series, was it called GorkaMorka? Actually won a regional contest in that

Definately more into the games than painting, my models and boards were painted to the bare minimum standards to retain dignity. Was a pretty badass general in my day. Would love to start the hobby again. Are the Codex's still current?

[Sway]

KarlMac said:

Had a huge collection when I was younger, going back 17ish years ago. 1st & 2nd company of blood angels, missing one or two units. Also had a choas horde. Gun metal with black/yellow. Specialists in urban siege warfare, can't remember their name.

Also got into the race series, was it called GorkaMorka? Actually won a regional contest in that

Definately more into the games than painting, my models and boards were painted to the bare minimum standards to retain dignity. Was a pretty badass general in my day. Would love to start the hobby again. Are the Codex's still current?

We can be the 40k geeks playing battlefield!

Don't think the codexes will be current - they've just released the 6th edition rules (with dark vengeance starter kit), reading online it seems that everything changes pretty much every 4 years. Helps games workshops superb share price and dividends...

I'm painting first, ideally to a decent playable standard. Then trying to persuade the missus to learn the game with me. If that's not successful then I can flog the mini rule book that seems quite sought after and just concentrate omitted painting. Found it bloody enjoyable over the weekend. That'll be a lot more expensive though, at least I'll have a comeback when the missus complains that all my hobbies exclude her!

[CatScan]

KarlMac said:

Are the Codex's still current?

Afraid not, if you were playing 17 years ago it would've been 2nd edition 40k you were playing, 6th got released earlier this year. It's quite a different game now. If you were mainly playing Marines most of the models should still be usable. Drop down to your local shop with some stuff and thrill the staff, they love seeing the older models in store.

And your seigemasters of Chaos are called Iron Warriors

(former GW staff member here btw...)

(well, for a day, went to quit my job at the time to move there and the boss made me an offer I couldn't refuse so I'd stay)

[KarlMac]

Sway said:

We can be the 40k geeks playing battlefield!

At this rate we'll turn ginger and re-grow male hymens

CatScan said:

Afraid not, if you were playing 17 years ago it would've been 2nd edition 40k you were playing, 6th got released earlier this year. It's quite a different game now. If you were mainly playing Marines most of the models should still be usable. Drop down to your local shop with some stuff and thrill the staff, they love seeing the older models in store.

Will text my brother and see if he has them. Left them behind when I had a massive fall out with parents. Shame as there quite a few custom ones in there.

CatScan said:

And your seigemasters of Chaos are called Iron Warriors

Thanks for that, would've sent me mad trying to remember that!

I've ended up with a nice display cabinet that used to hold a antique teddy bear collection. Man logic dictates W40k would be the perfect thing to fill it.

[beefcake42]

rich1231 said:

PH day at Wayland/Tabletop Nation?

I will get some special people to do some tutorials too.

Having just noticed the thread, I am up for this. Is the kind offer still valid?

I have 2.5k of Crimson Fists and 1.5k of Guard allies on the way. I can also get a friend who can field 3k of Nurgley/Khorne Chaos and about 2k of Orks.

How many bods do we need?

[beefcake42]

Sway said:

Right then.

Looks like it'll be a few months before I can enter Golden Demon. Wasn't counting on that.

Started painting my Dark Vengeance set with the 'easy' ones - the dark angel tactical marines. Underfoot in chaosbblack, then 3 or 4 very thin coats of caliban green. At this point the colour is perfect, just very flat.

So, painted up the details like the gun/chest eagle/pipes etc. with leadbelcher. Eyes with red, all that stuff. Neatness is fine, can put paint where I want it.

Onto the wash, nuln oil daubed liberally over the whole thing. Shadows look good in the crevices, the gun looks awesome, feeling dead chuffed. Just needs highlighting.

This is where it all goes horribly wrong. I watched a few YouTube instructional videos, all saying the same thing. Lighten up the base coat (in my case with a dab of yellow). Thin to a bit runnier than the basecoat. Paint where the light would hit. Repeat, adding a little more yellow, a little more water. Paint less each time until you're just putting afine line on the very edge of the panel.

Whilst doing this, the bloody thing looks amazing. So dimensional, detailed, awesome.

Then the little grey plastic fker dries. The carefully blended highlights really aren't blended at all, and look st. Properly st. Like I've painted really bright water on the panels and it's left a dried ring mark. Far too overdone and defined, yet I'm using a lot less of my brighter colour in the mix compared to the examples (maybe just about hitting 1.5:1 caliban green to yellow, the vids were going to 1:3 !!).

Thinking I'm doing something fundamental wrong. Any ideas?

Going to try a wash of biel tan green to try and tone down the transitions, but really confused why it's not blending - I'm essentially wet mixing on the model which should pretty much guarantee a nice blend surely?

Rich - will be popping over to you Thursday. I have a list! Any guru painters at your place that wouldn't mind helping out a numpty?

excuse speeeling I am on the ipad and it hates my massive fat fingers

My suggestion would be dont blend.

It isn't easy to do - especially when you dont have a feel for the paint 'thickness' and how the colour looks when dry. Also with blending I found it better to practice on a large surface, something as small as a space marine with all its detail will be hard to master. Get yourself any old aircraft kit and practive on the wings.. you can paint pver it and try again, and again if it goes wrong.


i started by getting good at the drybrush (someone on the warseer forums head just exploded)as follows;

1) base coat in the black primer

2) main colours (in your case green for the armour, also paint your chest eagle) - apply thin coats.

3) now take either a colour that is eith a shade lighter(GW paint range is good at showing this) or mix your main colour with white at a ratio of 3:1. Apply this lighter colour with a small stubby brush thinly on each piece of armour where the light might fall, i apply this colur almost dry and sort of blend/spread the edges where it meets the main colour so it is hardly visible (make sure the paint is almost dry when you so this, dont over thin it).

4)wash nuln oil

5) take your next colour which is a shade lighter again or main colour/white at a ratio of 2:1 using a flat edged small brush take this colour on the brush (dont thin it at all) and wipe most of teh paint off on a tissue. take the brush and apply the paint to the raised edges and edges of the armour only,

6) detail your eyes,tubes, armour joint etc.

7)add fine wash to your detail the gun etc.

8)add gloss varnish where you are applying decals

9)add decals and seal them with a thin coat of teh gloss varnish

10) matt varish and seal the whole model (testors dull cote is awesome)


repeat x10

number 10 will be better than number 1... by number 1000 you can enter golden demon

Edited by beefcake42 on Tuesday 4th December 08:39

Edited by beefcake42 on Tuesday 4th December 08:41

Edited by beefcake42 on Tuesday 4th December 08:44

[Nuclearsquash]

Sway said:

Right then.

Looks like it'll be a few months before I can enter Golden Demon. Wasn't counting on that.

Started painting my Dark Vengeance set with the 'easy' ones - the dark angel tactical marines. Underfoot in chaosbblack, then 3 or 4 very thin coats of caliban green. At this point the colour is perfect, just very flat.

So, painted up the details like the gun/chest eagle/pipes etc. with leadbelcher. Eyes with red, all that stuff. Neatness is fine, can put paint where I want it.

Onto the wash, nuln oil daubed liberally over the whole thing. Shadows look good in the crevices, the gun looks awesome, feeling dead chuffed. Just needs highlighting.

This is where it all goes horribly wrong. I watched a few YouTube instructional videos, all saying the same thing. Lighten up the base coat (in my case with a dab of yellow). Thin to a bit runnier than the basecoat. Paint where the light would hit. Repeat, adding a little more yellow, a little more water. Paint less each time until you're just putting afine line on the very edge of the panel.

Whilst doing this, the bloody thing looks amazing. So dimensional, detailed, awesome.

Then the little grey plastic fker dries. The carefully blended highlights really aren't blended at all, and look st. Properly st. Like I've painted really bright water on the panels and it's left a dried ring mark. Far too overdone and defined, yet I'm using a lot less of my brighter colour in the mix compared to the examples (maybe just about hitting 1.5:1 caliban green to yellow, the vids were going to 1:3 !!).

Thinking I'm doing something fundamental wrong. Any ideas?

Going to try a wash of biel tan green to try and tone down the transitions, but really confused why it's not blending - I'm essentially wet mixing on the model which should pretty much guarantee a nice blend surely?

Rich - will be popping over to you Thursday. I have a list! Any guru painters at your place that wouldn't mind helping out a numpty?

It sounds like you have over thinned the highlights so they are in effect crappy washes. I really wouldn't go any thinner than the consistency of milk (and that may be too thin). Tbh so long as you are adding a smidge of water to the paint to aid flow and consistency you will be fine. It's very easy to get hooked on the technical aspects of painting rather than just getting on with it