Warhammer 40k

[youngsyr]

I'd suggest avoiding GW paints as although they're pretty good, the pots they come in are crap and they're very expensive.

Vallejo Model colour make good paints, you get a better bottle, similar quality paint, 40% more paint per bottle and they're cheaper.

Army painter do good washes too for cheaper than GW.

Both Vallejo and Army painter paints can be bought on eBay.

[youngsyr]

Matt_N said:

Quite like the look of Chaos Marines or Death Guard.

Death guard are a great any to get into - they are currently really being pushed by GW and you can pick up brand new models fire very little money (comparatively) on eBay.

Probably one of the cheapest armies to get in to.

[Monsterlime]

Issue 12 of Conquest has been released online today, and I just checked the Hachette website and the issue is already sold out. It has sold out faster than issue 10, which I think is rather surprising.

Someone is already selling it on Ebay for £30.

Glad I have a sub, but wow.

[youngsyr]

Monsterlime said:

Issue 12 of Conquest has been released online today, and I just checked the Hachette website and the issue is already sold out. It has sold out faster than issue 10, which I think is rather surprising.

Someone is already selling it on Ebay for £30.

Glad I have a sub, but wow.

I suspect a lot of them are going abroad. UK prices are already a lot cheaper than US and Australian prices even once you've paid for postage. Add on the discount you get for the magazine and a weak pound and it makes the models very cheap from some countries.

Surprised that the previous issue with the Aggressors wasn't the most popular - I believe it's the best value one since the first issue? I guess them being a sub-optimal gaming loadout suppressed demand a bit though.

[Sway]

youngsyr said:

Surprised that the previous issue witho the Aggressors wasn't the most popular - I believe it's the best value one since the first issue? I guess them being a sub-optimal gaming loadout suppressed demand a bit though.

Your last sentence is exactly the reason - they're crap on the table for any SM army other than Deathwatch, and you only want a couple then.

What's this week's sprue?

[Monsterlime]

Sway said:

Your last sentence is exactly the reason - they're crap on the table for any SM army other than Deathwatch, and you only want a couple then.

What's this week's sprue?

This week's is the Foul Blightspawn model.

[Sway]

Monsterlime said:

Sway said:

Your last sentence is exactly the reason - they're crap on the table for any SM army other than Deathwatch, and you only want a couple then.

What's this week's sprue?

This week's is the Foul Blightspawn model.

Ah. Three of them are a superb fit in the current meta (with lots of big heavy, hard to hit units). Character so can't be sniped, and a flamer type weapon that can down a flyer or Knight in a single turn...

[youngsyr]

Sway said:

Monsterlime said:

Sway said:

Your last sentence is exactly the reason - they're crap on the table for any SM army other than Deathwatch, and you only want a couple then.

What's this week's sprue?

This week's is the Foul Blightspawn model.

Ah. Three of them are a superb fit in the current meta (with lots of big heavy, hard to hit units). Character so can't be sniped, and a flamer type weapon that can down a flyer or Knight in a single turn...

I don't play at all Sway, but do people pay much attention to the meta?

I would have thought people would be more interested in having fun playing games, rather than having a "cheesy" list that can dominate all comers?

[Sway]

youngsyr said:

Sway said:

Monsterlime said:

Sway said:

Your last sentence is exactly the reason - they're crap on the table for any SM army other than Deathwatch, and you only want a couple then.

What's this week's sprue?

This week's is the Foul Blightspawn model.

Ah. Three of them are a superb fit in the current meta (with lots of big heavy, hard to hit units). Character so can't be sniped, and a flamer type weapon that can down a flyer or Knight in a single turn...

I don't play at all Sway, but do people pay much attention to the meta?

I would have thought people would be more interested in having fun playing games, rather than having a "cheesy" list that can dominate all comers?

The meta drives GW's performance...

Hence, when they realised (at the same time Lego did in a similar vein) that big kits cost a tiny percentage more to produce, but can be sold for 3-4 times the price, they do things like release a Imperial Knights codex with rules that mean any imperium player who isn't running at least 3 is dead in the water...

I've been to "friendly" tournaments, with virtually (over 90%) everyone running the same 3-4 factions, with almost identical lists.

Casual stuff gets people through the door of the shop, and hooked. Very, very quickly, players fall into two camps - those with a 'fluffy' army they're happy with, pick up games with friends, and very little new revenue for GW.

Or more competitive players, following the fora and reddit for the latest 'hotness' netlisting, and buying whatever is points efficient that given week. GW then move the meta along with Chapter Approved and Big FAQ...

All you have to do, is see what is out of stock online. All the units that the latest codex/CA/FAQ have made cheesy. Latest was Ork Nobs...

[DMN]

Sway said:

I'd suggest picking the faction you like the look of best. Just be aware white and yellow is a pig...

Then, you can get the paints in stages. Get the 3-4 base colours needed. Get the models assembled and base painted - you'll need a couple of different sized brushes.

You've now got perfectly respectable playing minis.

Then, a couple of washes, and a couple of highlight colours. Give the paint job much more depth. Washes in particular are liquid talent...

I've found spraying the sprue with the base colour a quick and easy way to get the bulk colouring done. The Army Painter has some good spray can paints. A few light coats gives a good finish.

[youngsyr]

DMN said:

Sway said:

I'd suggest picking the faction you like the look of best. Just be aware white and yellow is a pig...

Then, you can get the paints in stages. Get the 3-4 base colours needed. Get the models assembled and base painted - you'll need a couple of different sized brushes.

You've now got perfectly respectable playing minis.

Then, a couple of washes, and a couple of highlight colours. Give the paint job much more depth. Washes in particular are liquid talent...

I've found spraying the sprue with the base colour a quick and easy way to get the bulk colouring done. The Army Painter has some good spray can paints. A few light coats gives a good finish.

Definitely. The Army Painter sprays are primers too, so you can skip a step in painting.

[Sway]

If using spray cans, I'd recommend skipping model paints entirely and pop into hobbycraft for Montana Gold, or Halfords...

Much cheaper, great range of colours, just as durable.

[kowalski655]

youngsyr said:

I don't play at all Sway, but do people pay much attention to the meta?

I would have thought people would be more interested in having fun playing games, rather than having a "cheesy" list that can dominate all comers?

LOL, there are a LOT of people with a win at all cost attitude
Ive not played tabletop wargames for years(but want to get back in, I really wish I hadnt chucked all my figures in a bin) & some would choose the best no matter what-hence the proliferation of Late Imperial Roman armies in WRG 6th Ed(remember them? ) All in the ONE year in the 3rd Century AD (IIRC)that historically allowed them to use Pilum,Javelin,AND dart!
I do remember one great game where the club I was a member of played a WW1 naval game,just destroyers & occasional cruiser, then one guy renowned for wanting to win all the time brought along...the 5th Battlecruiser Squadron!!!

[youngsyr]

That's actually quite depressing - it's bad enough in video games where people deliberately troll others, but I thought that was in large part due to the anonymity of that industry.

I'd hoped that face to face gamers would be a bit more sympathetic towards everyone having fun.

[Sway]

youngsyr said:

That's actually quite depressing - it's bad enough in video games where people deliberately troll others, but I thought that was in large part due to the anonymity of that industry.

I'd hoped that face to face gamers would be a bit more sympathetic towards everyone having fun.

To be fair, it's rare that you see a game between hopelessly mismatched armies.

Usually, you'll see casual players play power levels and more serious players play points - with it's attendant additional rules, limitations and opportunities.

There are differing levels, however the gameplay (and dice rolling luck!) is sufficiently complex that it's difficult to 'pay to win'.

Pure tourney lists are mental though - and not directly fun to play (too repetitive and often simplistic). Hey, if those players want to spend hundreds keeping up, then selling those models on cheaply after they've fallen foul of the nerf bat, then I'm not too fussed.

I've played against one 'top tier tourney' list, and a bloody good player - all prearranged as I wanted to see what it was like.

Not fun, is the answer, and over very quickly (even when the armies are matched). 8th has helped and hindered this - to a greater extent it's now become a game of "who gets first turn, wins" at the upper tournament levels.

[kowalski655]

WRG enabled the Ancient period armies I mostly played to have supposedly equal sides, but some were better than others as a whole, and there were always those who went for those or for a winning mix from the army lists. Thankfully it was rare at my club, we would rather have fun losing than be an asshole winner, but competitions did get fraught(still do I imagine)
But bringing 16" guns to a knife fight was a bit extreme

[Sway]

Yeah, a PHer mate turned up to one of his first games (not with me!) - and the opposing player brought a full (and illegal) mix of imperial soup, guard flyers mixed in with space marines, the lot.

Then obfusticated the rules to give eternal advantage.

Fortunately, aforementioned PHer had a few of us to reference on WhatsApp, and is in the army - so can be 'blunt' on occasion...

That PHer is now the one that turns up with a bloody Titan. Git.

[youngsyr]

Sway said:

Yeah, a PHer mate turned up to one of his first games (not with me!) - and the opposing player brought a full (and illegal) mix of imperial soup, guard flyers mixed in with space marines, the lot.

Then obfusticated the rules to give eternal advantage.

Fortunately, aforementioned PHer had a few of us to reference on WhatsApp, and is in the army - so can be 'blunt' on occasion...

That PHer is now the one that turns up with a bloody Titan. Git.

I honestly don't get that - where's the fun in beating someone when you've got a massive advantage?

Surely it's much more fun to have a good match-up, or even be at a slight disadvantage, so that if you win, you really have bragging rights over your mates?!

Similarly, I'd have no problems playing against a Titan, so long as I knew in advance and could either tailor my force or the scenario to match it. I think I'd actually enjoy the challenge.

[youngsyr]

Seems GW/Hachette are being a bit more tight-lipped about the next issue's models.

So far only the Biologist Putrifier "and some more dice" have been confirmed for issues 15 to 18. I wonder if they'd actually got as far as producing these issues before they started the roll out?

[Celtic Dragon]

youngsyr said:

Seems GW/Hachette are being a bit more tight-lipped about the next issue's models.

So far only the Biologist Putrifier "and some more dice" have been confirmed for issues 15 to 18. I wonder if they'd actually got as far as producing these issues before they started the roll out?

I'm thinking it might be about to go belly up! I subscribed a little over a week ago and still haven't had my sub number and there has been no contact between Hatchette and my bank.