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Just thinking a bit more about the tactics - do flyers (the Stormraven) have a reserve ability, I. E. Start off the board and drop in at the end of your movement phase?
Might be a better option for the survivability of the Stormraven allowing it at least one turn of shooting before taking return fire, but obviously mobility will be compromised.
Do buffs from passengers (e. G. Captain rerolling to hit) apply to get vehicle they are embarked upon?
Might be a better option for the survivability of the Stormraven allowing it at least one turn of shooting before taking return fire, but obviously mobility will be compromised.
Do buffs from passengers (e. G. Captain rerolling to hit) apply to get vehicle they are embarked upon?
They do - but it follows the deepstrike rules so you're not dropping off your units until turn 3. Better to stick your stormraven in a much cover as possible. Remember, flyers have an inbuilt -1 to hit for most units targeting them.
Aura buffs don't work when you're embarked unfortunately. Can't use psychic powers either.
Aura buffs don't work when you're embarked unfortunately. Can't use psychic powers either.
Sway said:
They do - but it follows the deepstrike rules so you're not dropping off your units until turn 3. Better to stick your stormraven in a much cover as possible. Remember, flyers have an inbuilt -1 to hit for most units targeting them.
Aura buffs don't work when you're embarked unfortunately. Can't use psychic powers either.
Cool, thanks. I'll have to check up on cover/LoS rules for flyers. The storm raven has a ridiculous move, plus it's pretty tanky anyway, so matte the start in cover then long bomb strategy is best. Aura buffs don't work when you're embarked unfortunately. Can't use psychic powers either.
Probably not going to have many other high profile armour units in the army due to the cost of the above, so it's going to attract a lot of fire and it's too expensive to be a disposable transport.
You should be able to prevent at least half an opponent's army from seeing you T1 - play canny and aim for that half being the one that's got the guns that can hurt you!
They're pretty tough - if someone's going to down it turn one, it's not shooting at much else...
Same for the terminators - yes, they're expensive. However, they're pretty tanky and can hold on for quite some time. Key is focusing their movements and attacks on the right targets - ones that cost even more, but aren't able to strip you of life in a single turn.
They're pretty tough - if someone's going to down it turn one, it's not shooting at much else...
Same for the terminators - yes, they're expensive. However, they're pretty tanky and can hold on for quite some time. Key is focusing their movements and attacks on the right targets - ones that cost even more, but aren't able to strip you of life in a single turn.
Monsterlime said:
Apparently, in that LVO stream, it was announced that the AdMech 30k/HH ForgeWorld models will finally be getting 40k rules but not the new campaign (due to the author passing away).
Now to decide what to get, love the Ursarax, Castellax and Thallax models.
Yep, and recently Custodes 30k units gained 40k rules... Now to decide what to get, love the Ursarax, Castellax and Thallax models.
Just remember, if plastic crack is bad for the wallet, forgeworld is next level!
(unless you know of a cheeky Chinese recaster...)
Edited by Sway on Tuesday 12th February 10:52
Can anyone briefly explain the role of the Custodes in the Horus Heresy?
From what I remember of the lore 20 years ago, they didn't exist. How did they get retconned into existence as the finest warriors the human race has produced (perhaps bar the 20 or so Primarchs) yet still let Horus fatally wound the Emperor?
From what I remember of the lore 20 years ago, they didn't exist. How did they get retconned into existence as the finest warriors the human race has produced (perhaps bar the 20 or so Primarchs) yet still let Horus fatally wound the Emperor?
youngsyr said:
Can anyone briefly explain the role of the Custodes in the Horus Heresy?
From what I remember of the lore 20 years ago, they didn't exist. How did they get retconned into existence as the finest warriors the human race has produced (perhaps bar the 20 or so Primarchs) yet still let Horus fatally wound the Emperor?
Custodes were essentially updated Thunder Warriors (the unstable precursor to Space Marines), allegedly using the Emperor's own genetics. From what I remember of the lore 20 years ago, they didn't exist. How did they get retconned into existence as the finest warriors the human race has produced (perhaps bar the 20 or so Primarchs) yet still let Horus fatally wound the Emperor?
Not trained as a fighting force, each one was trained to act independently.
Their remit was the Palace of Terra - and during the Heresy were fully engaged with defending the webway gate under the Palace Magnus f
ked - causing an attempted immense daemon incursion. Big Emps didn't really need bodyguards at that point, being the biggest badass in the universe - so when he went with Sanguinius and iirc Dorn to the Vengeful Spirit to fight Horus directly, they didn't go. However, the teleport was twisted by the chaos gods, and they got dropped all over the ship. Sanga got to the bridge first - and was killed by a Horus bloated with chaos power. Emps came along, and finally killed Horus, but was mortally wounded.
Dorn swung by last and rescued the mortally wounded Emps.
Since then, they've spent 10k years in "penance" - effectively hiding in the Palace, waiting for threats to come to them.
When G Man turns up and has an audience with Emp's twisted psychic cadaver on the Golden Throne, that all changes and they're told to go back out and prevent issues arising across the Imperium, not just those directed solely at Big E.
Sway said:
Yep, and recently Custodes 30k units gained 40k rules...
Just remember, if plastic crack is bad for the wallet, forgeworld is next level!
(unless you know of a cheeky Chinese recaster...)
Hah, yes, the FW stuff is rather pricey to the point of insanity for some models.Just remember, if plastic crack is bad for the wallet, forgeworld is next level!
(unless you know of a cheeky Chinese recaster...)
Edited by Sway on Tuesday 12th February 10:52
Re the other, I know nothing of what you speak.
Sway said:
Custodes were essentially updated Thunder Warriors (the unstable precursor to Space Marines), allegedly using the Emperor's own genetics.
Not trained as a fighting force, each one was trained to act independently.
Their remit was the Palace of Terra - and during the Heresy were fully engaged with defending the webway gate under the Palace Magnus fked - causing an attempted immense daemon incursion.
Big Emps didn't really need bodyguards at that point, being the biggest badass in the universe - so when he went with Sanguinius and iirc Dorn to the Vengeful Spirit to fight Horus directly, they didn't go. However, the teleport was twisted by the chaos gods, and they got dropped all over the ship. Sanga got to the bridge first - and was killed by a Horus bloated with chaos power. Emps came along, and finally killed Horus, but was mortally wounded.
Dorn swung by last and rescued the mortally wounded Emps.
Since then, they've spent 10k years in "penance" - effectively hiding in the Palace, waiting for threats to come to them.
When G Man turns up and has an audience with Emp's twisted psychic cadaver on the Golden Throne, that all changes and they're told to go back out and prevent issues arising across the Imperium, not just those directed solely at Big E.
The Custodes also got decimated during the War Within the Webway that basically left them sitting at Space Marine Chapter strength or below (how very handy). Not trained as a fighting force, each one was trained to act independently.
Their remit was the Palace of Terra - and during the Heresy were fully engaged with defending the webway gate under the Palace Magnus f
ked - causing an attempted immense daemon incursion. Big Emps didn't really need bodyguards at that point, being the biggest badass in the universe - so when he went with Sanguinius and iirc Dorn to the Vengeful Spirit to fight Horus directly, they didn't go. However, the teleport was twisted by the chaos gods, and they got dropped all over the ship. Sanga got to the bridge first - and was killed by a Horus bloated with chaos power. Emps came along, and finally killed Horus, but was mortally wounded.
Dorn swung by last and rescued the mortally wounded Emps.
Since then, they've spent 10k years in "penance" - effectively hiding in the Palace, waiting for threats to come to them.
When G Man turns up and has an audience with Emp's twisted psychic cadaver on the Golden Throne, that all changes and they're told to go back out and prevent issues arising across the Imperium, not just those directed solely at Big E.
I haven't read the Custodes codex, but I am sure they have found a way round the fact that only the Emperor could create one.
The war within the webway was what I referred to regarding them defending the webway gate under the Palace. That's an awesome story...
Emps never needed to create them directly - the issue is that it couldn't be productionised as per Space Marines, as they were converted from infants not adolescents, and the process was effectively tailored for every one. Recruitment was never an issue (same for the Imperial Fists) as Terra's trillions of souls meant there were millions of potentially suitable candidates - however it was a "wasteful" endeavour.
Emps never needed to create them directly - the issue is that it couldn't be productionised as per Space Marines, as they were converted from infants not adolescents, and the process was effectively tailored for every one. Recruitment was never an issue (same for the Imperial Fists) as Terra's trillions of souls meant there were millions of potentially suitable candidates - however it was a "wasteful" endeavour.
Monsterlime said:
Sway said:
Custodes were essentially updated Thunder Warriors (the unstable precursor to Space Marines), allegedly using the Emperor's own genetics.
Not trained as a fighting force, each one was trained to act independently.
Their remit was the Palace of Terra - and during the Heresy were fully engaged with defending the webway gate under the Palace Magnus fked - causing an attempted immense daemon incursion.
Big Emps didn't really need bodyguards at that point, being the biggest badass in the universe - so when he went with Sanguinius and iirc Dorn to the Vengeful Spirit to fight Horus directly, they didn't go. However, the teleport was twisted by the chaos gods, and they got dropped all over the ship. Sanga got to the bridge first - and was killed by a Horus bloated with chaos power. Emps came along, and finally killed Horus, but was mortally wounded.
Dorn swung by last and rescued the mortally wounded Emps.
Since then, they've spent 10k years in "penance" - effectively hiding in the Palace, waiting for threats to come to them.
When G Man turns up and has an audience with Emp's twisted psychic cadaver on the Golden Throne, that all changes and they're told to go back out and prevent issues arising across the Imperium, not just those directed solely at Big E.
The Custodes also got decimated during the War Within the Webway that basically left them sitting at Space Marine Chapter strength or below (how very handy). Not trained as a fighting force, each one was trained to act independently.
Their remit was the Palace of Terra - and during the Heresy were fully engaged with defending the webway gate under the Palace Magnus f
ked - causing an attempted immense daemon incursion. Big Emps didn't really need bodyguards at that point, being the biggest badass in the universe - so when he went with Sanguinius and iirc Dorn to the Vengeful Spirit to fight Horus directly, they didn't go. However, the teleport was twisted by the chaos gods, and they got dropped all over the ship. Sanga got to the bridge first - and was killed by a Horus bloated with chaos power. Emps came along, and finally killed Horus, but was mortally wounded.
Dorn swung by last and rescued the mortally wounded Emps.
Since then, they've spent 10k years in "penance" - effectively hiding in the Palace, waiting for threats to come to them.
When G Man turns up and has an audience with Emp's twisted psychic cadaver on the Golden Throne, that all changes and they're told to go back out and prevent issues arising across the Imperium, not just those directed solely at Big E.
I haven't read the Custodes codex, but I am sure they have found a way round the fact that only the Emperor could create one.
I've been stocking up on far too many old metal imperial guardsmen to try and build a kill team with but have only got round to painting a couple of them, and my skill and patience is not exactly noteworthy. I have enjoyed researching a lot of the older rogue trader era minis as well as some of the more interesting units that are no longer available.
Will try and post a few pictures up of my minis when I get a chance.
Will try and post a few pictures up of my minis when I get a chance.
Ah, that's the "prehistory" days, when frankly they just made st up.
Russ was a normal space marine, until a batrep in White Dwarf where he wrecked most of the opponent's army - and primarchs were born...
Thunder Warriors - not much fluff on them. Effectively Emp's army in the Reunification Wars to bring together the tribes/peoples of Earth after the Long Night (effectively Dark Ages after AI rebelled and fked everyone back to the stone age). Designed as temporary, they were bigger/stronger than Space Marines, but unstable. The fluff alludes to one still (some 15k years later) being alive on Terra...
Primarchs came about properly (with all the backstory, etc.) once GeeDubs realised it was actually good IP, and sold books too. Then came the development of the Heresy story - initially through snippets put in side boxes in Codices, finally being pulled somewhat together by the core guys behind the Black Library.
t up.Russ was a normal space marine, until a batrep in White Dwarf where he wrecked most of the opponent's army - and primarchs were born...
Thunder Warriors - not much fluff on them. Effectively Emp's army in the Reunification Wars to bring together the tribes/peoples of Earth after the Long Night (effectively Dark Ages after AI rebelled and f
ked everyone back to the stone age). Designed as temporary, they were bigger/stronger than Space Marines, but unstable. The fluff alludes to one still (some 15k years later) being alive on Terra... Primarchs came about properly (with all the backstory, etc.) once GeeDubs realised it was actually good IP, and sold books too. Then came the development of the Heresy story - initially through snippets put in side boxes in Codices, finally being pulled somewhat together by the core guys behind the Black Library.
youngsyr said:
Monsterlime said:
Sway said:
Custodes were essentially updated Thunder Warriors (the unstable precursor to Space Marines), allegedly using the Emperor's own genetics.
Not trained as a fighting force, each one was trained to act independently.
Their remit was the Palace of Terra - and during the Heresy were fully engaged with defending the webway gate under the Palace Magnus fked - causing an attempted immense daemon incursion.
Big Emps didn't really need bodyguards at that point, being the biggest badass in the universe - so when he went with Sanguinius and iirc Dorn to the Vengeful Spirit to fight Horus directly, they didn't go. However, the teleport was twisted by the chaos gods, and they got dropped all over the ship. Sanga got to the bridge first - and was killed by a Horus bloated with chaos power. Emps came along, and finally killed Horus, but was mortally wounded.
Dorn swung by last and rescued the mortally wounded Emps.
Since then, they've spent 10k years in "penance" - effectively hiding in the Palace, waiting for threats to come to them.
When G Man turns up and has an audience with Emp's twisted psychic cadaver on the Golden Throne, that all changes and they're told to go back out and prevent issues arising across the Imperium, not just those directed solely at Big E.
The Custodes also got decimated during the War Within the Webway that basically left them sitting at Space Marine Chapter strength or below (how very handy). Not trained as a fighting force, each one was trained to act independently.
Their remit was the Palace of Terra - and during the Heresy were fully engaged with defending the webway gate under the Palace Magnus f
ked - causing an attempted immense daemon incursion. Big Emps didn't really need bodyguards at that point, being the biggest badass in the universe - so when he went with Sanguinius and iirc Dorn to the Vengeful Spirit to fight Horus directly, they didn't go. However, the teleport was twisted by the chaos gods, and they got dropped all over the ship. Sanga got to the bridge first - and was killed by a Horus bloated with chaos power. Emps came along, and finally killed Horus, but was mortally wounded.
Dorn swung by last and rescued the mortally wounded Emps.
Since then, they've spent 10k years in "penance" - effectively hiding in the Palace, waiting for threats to come to them.
When G Man turns up and has an audience with Emp's twisted psychic cadaver on the Golden Throne, that all changes and they're told to go back out and prevent issues arising across the Imperium, not just those directed solely at Big E.
I haven't read the Custodes codex, but I am sure they have found a way round the fact that only the Emperor could create one.
Space marines are mainly taken from the dregs of society hive gangers usually young 11 12 13 i think then upgraded with implants training and brainwashing.
Well that's the lore I grew up with.
GW has been vrey meandering over the years, and consistency of "universe" is something really rather recent.
If you take Vulkan in the fluff - he's anywhere between 4m and 7m tall, and is simultaneously able to be captured in an ambush by the weakest Primarch and a couple of dozen space marines, as well as being able to create earthquakes that shake entire mountain ranges whilst able to rip apart an entire Ork Gargant Titan with his bare hands...
And he's one of the ones with more consistent fluff!
If you take Vulkan in the fluff - he's anywhere between 4m and 7m tall, and is simultaneously able to be captured in an ambush by the weakest Primarch and a couple of dozen space marines, as well as being able to create earthquakes that shake entire mountain ranges whilst able to rip apart an entire Ork Gargant Titan with his bare hands...
And he's one of the ones with more consistent fluff!
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