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I've had zero hobby time recently. Decided I really wanted to finish off my Adeptus Titanicus maniple - but after doing a couple of warhounds and a reaver, doing the trim on a warlord (plus all the magnetised weapons I've got across all chassis) was putting me off.
Enter the Posca paint pen from Hobbycraft. 30 minutes of colouring in and it's done.
Now onto the fun stuff - decals then varnish, oil washes, weathering and basing...
is putting it mildly!!My son got three WH figures for Christmas, and he wanted me to get one so we could build them together. I got this one (obviously w.i.p.):
It’s a really nice change from aircraft. I gave up trying to exactly replicate the symbols from the box, so it’s not 100% right. I considered making decals for them, but in the end just painted them (with the help of a wet palette, as recommended here
).
It’s a really nice change from aircraft. I gave up trying to exactly replicate the symbols from the box, so it’s not 100% right. I considered making decals for them, but in the end just painted them (with the help of a wet palette, as recommended here
).dr_gn said:
Sway said:
Bloody hell doc that's lovely...
Thanks! I’m happy with it so far - very relaxing modelling. The paints seem to brush on really well for some reason (Citadel/Vallejo Game Colour).Only thing I can't find a good alternative for is Vallejo's (or a few others) alcohol based golds... It's just too good, but an utter pain in the arris drying stupidly quick, needing IPA to dilute (not indian pale ale!), etc.
Sway said:
dr_gn said:
Sway said:
Bloody hell doc that's lovely...
Thanks! I’m happy with it so far - very relaxing modelling. The paints seem to brush on really well for some reason (Citadel/Vallejo Game Colour).Only thing I can't find a good alternative for is Vallejo's (or a few others) alcohol based golds... It's just too good, but an utter pain in the arris drying stupidly quick, needing IPA to dilute (not indian pale ale!), etc.
Suppose I'll put up my recent activity - warning, it's quite boring with nothing finished!
Good thing - lots of Kill Team and Adeptus Titanicus playing. Really need to finish off all the details on my titans, as mate runs the Tabletop Standard YouTube channel and I want to run Astorum in a batrep...
I've also decided to really focus on a few key projects, than the scattergun approach (primarily driven by Kill Team, and falling out of love with my Death Guard for 40k) that pervaded last year.
So, time for Horus Heresy - Blood Angels. Always loved them, really can't be bothered with 40k much anymore, and the Heresy is just so rich and fluffy.
However, 30k is much, much, much more expensive and time consuming - unlike modern 40k, there's plenty of units with no official kits, lots of troops needed, mostly in forgeworld resin as the 40k stuff really doesn't look right.
So, kitbashed a Praetor with Jump Pack, Blade of Perdition and Volkite pistol.
Praetor are pretty senior leaders - so he's a beast. BoP is stupidly good, and volkite should be a good disincentive to get too close too.
Then, a Moritat for my second HQ. Moritats are considered pretty senior, but are actually undergoing penance by diving into the thick of fighting until they've overcome their shame. Twin infernus pistols and certain moritat rules mean this guy is a huge distraction for opponents - leave him alone and he'll be a complete pain, go for him and you're not shooting something else...
With Jump pack and twin infernus pistols.
Then my first unit, unlikely to be used too much, but used as a trial scheme. Tartaros pattern terminators. Quick, agile, but not as heavily armoured as other variants.
The champ
Awaiting gloss varnish before gloss washes, then satin varnish, highlights and decals before a final varnish. Champ's chain fist now has hazard stripes - I couldn't resist the old 3rd edition aesthetic!
Eagle eyed will note so far, all plastic no resin...
Tartaros are from the Burning of Prospero, and I swapped some of the Mk3 marines for a box of Sanguinary Guard and Death Company from 40k to use bitz from.
Then, for Christmas I got glasses to correct my colour blindness. I can see red!! Fortunately, I still liked my test scheme, however it really doesn't come out well on 'candid' camera.
Then, time to actually sort my s
t out... The luxury of a hobby room when we moved last Feb had quickly turned into a complete riot of plastic and mess, with zero organisation and loads of stuff everywhere.
Time to get my st in order...
No particular order, but getting there...
Workstation.
Storage/display (never ask to look inside those RUBs!
Still to sort/table for gaming and board building
And, after fifteen years, I can finally have my beloved boards on display too...
Next jobs - finish the sorting of paints/materials/tools. Then it's all systems go on finishing the first units of BA.
I've got some 30k Assault (jump pack) troops coming, a very nice PHer sorted me out with a couple of dozen resin 3d printed shields... (IP nazis, back off! GW have never done anything like these...). Also waiting on a Blood Angels contemptor, and some BA resin 30k upgrades.
Oh and teaser for my second version of the red base coats - five colours in theory blended to give a 'zenithal' highlight
Good thing - lots of Kill Team and Adeptus Titanicus playing. Really need to finish off all the details on my titans, as mate runs the Tabletop Standard YouTube channel and I want to run Astorum in a batrep...
I've also decided to really focus on a few key projects, than the scattergun approach (primarily driven by Kill Team, and falling out of love with my Death Guard for 40k) that pervaded last year.
So, time for Horus Heresy - Blood Angels. Always loved them, really can't be bothered with 40k much anymore, and the Heresy is just so rich and fluffy.
However, 30k is much, much, much more expensive and time consuming - unlike modern 40k, there's plenty of units with no official kits, lots of troops needed, mostly in forgeworld resin as the 40k stuff really doesn't look right.
So, kitbashed a Praetor with Jump Pack, Blade of Perdition and Volkite pistol.
Praetor are pretty senior leaders - so he's a beast. BoP is stupidly good, and volkite should be a good disincentive to get too close too.
Then, a Moritat for my second HQ. Moritats are considered pretty senior, but are actually undergoing penance by diving into the thick of fighting until they've overcome their shame. Twin infernus pistols and certain moritat rules mean this guy is a huge distraction for opponents - leave him alone and he'll be a complete pain, go for him and you're not shooting something else...
With Jump pack and twin infernus pistols.
Then my first unit, unlikely to be used too much, but used as a trial scheme. Tartaros pattern terminators. Quick, agile, but not as heavily armoured as other variants.
The champ
Awaiting gloss varnish before gloss washes, then satin varnish, highlights and decals before a final varnish. Champ's chain fist now has hazard stripes - I couldn't resist the old 3rd edition aesthetic!
Eagle eyed will note so far, all plastic no resin...
Tartaros are from the Burning of Prospero, and I swapped some of the Mk3 marines for a box of Sanguinary Guard and Death Company from 40k to use bitz from.
Then, for Christmas I got glasses to correct my colour blindness. I can see red!! Fortunately, I still liked my test scheme, however it really doesn't come out well on 'candid' camera.
Then, time to actually sort my s
t out... The luxury of a hobby room when we moved last Feb had quickly turned into a complete riot of plastic and mess, with zero organisation and loads of stuff everywhere. Time to get my s
t in order... No particular order, but getting there...
Workstation.
Storage/display (never ask to look inside those RUBs!
Still to sort/table for gaming and board building
And, after fifteen years, I can finally have my beloved boards on display too...
Next jobs - finish the sorting of paints/materials/tools. Then it's all systems go on finishing the first units of BA.
I've got some 30k Assault (jump pack) troops coming, a very nice PHer sorted me out with a couple of dozen resin 3d printed shields... (IP nazis, back off! GW have never done anything like these...). Also waiting on a Blood Angels contemptor, and some BA resin 30k upgrades.
Oh and teaser for my second version of the red base coats - five colours in theory blended to give a 'zenithal' highlight
dr_gn said:
For the gold cloth on the lettering background I used Vallejo Game Colour Polished Gold. It went on fine - 2 coats over a bone coloured undercoat.
Yeah, I must have nearly a dozen acrylic based golds... They're generally great for smaller areas - but for larger, more lustrous bits nothing compares to the alcohol based ones. Must be some chemistry tricksery.
Sway said:
Suppose I'll put up my recent activity - warning, it's quite boring with nothing finished!
Good thing - lots of Kill Team and Adeptus Titanicus playing. Really need to finish off all the details on my titans, as mate runs the Tabletop Standard YouTube channel and I want to run Astorum in a batrep...
I've also decided to really focus on a few key projects, than the scattergun approach (primarily driven by Kill Team, and falling out of love with my Death Guard for 40k) that pervaded last year.
So, time for Horus Heresy - Blood Angels. Always loved them, really can't be bothered with 40k much anymore, and the Heresy is just so rich and fluffy.
However, 30k is much, much, much more expensive and time consuming - unlike modern 40k, there's plenty of units with no official kits, lots of troops needed, mostly in forgeworld resin as the 40k stuff really doesn't look right.
So, kitbashed a Praetor with Jump Pack, Blade of Perdition and Volkite pistol.
Praetor are pretty senior leaders - so he's a beast. BoP is stupidly good, and volkite should be a good disincentive to get too close too.
Then, a Moritat for my second HQ. Moritats are considered pretty senior, but are actually undergoing penance by diving into the thick of fighting until they've overcome their shame. Twin infernus pistols and certain moritat rules mean this guy is a huge distraction for opponents - leave him alone and he'll be a complete pain, go for him and you're not shooting something else...
With Jump pack and twin infernus pistols.
Then my first unit, unlikely to be used too much, but used as a trial scheme. Tartaros pattern terminators. Quick, agile, but not as heavily armoured as other variants.
The champ
Awaiting gloss varnish before gloss washes, then satin varnish, highlights and decals before a final varnish. Champ's chain fist now has hazard stripes - I couldn't resist the old 3rd edition aesthetic!
Eagle eyed will note so far, all plastic no resin...
Tartaros are from the Burning of Prospero, and I swapped some of the Mk3 marines for a box of Sanguinary Guard and Death Company from 40k to use bitz from.
Then, for Christmas I got glasses to correct my colour blindness. I can see red!! Fortunately, I still liked my test scheme, however it really doesn't come out well on 'candid' camera.
Then, time to actually sort my st out... The luxury of a hobby room when we moved last Feb had quickly turned into a complete riot of plastic and mess, with zero organisation and loads of stuff everywhere.
Time to get my st in order...
No particular order, but getting there...
Workstation.
Storage/display (never ask to look inside those RUBs!
Still to sort/table for gaming and board building
And, after fifteen years, I can finally have my beloved boards on display too...
Next jobs - finish the sorting of paints/materials/tools. Then it's all systems go on finishing the first units of BA.
I've got some 30k Assault (jump pack) troops coming, a very nice PHer sorted me out with a couple of dozen resin 3d printed shields... (IP nazis, back off! GW have never done anything like these...). Also waiting on a Blood Angels contemptor, and some BA resin 30k upgrades.
Oh and teaser for my second version of the red base coats - five colours in theory blended to give a 'zenithal' highlight
Looks very good - is the red shaded, or solid? It looks great either way.Good thing - lots of Kill Team and Adeptus Titanicus playing. Really need to finish off all the details on my titans, as mate runs the Tabletop Standard YouTube channel and I want to run Astorum in a batrep...
I've also decided to really focus on a few key projects, than the scattergun approach (primarily driven by Kill Team, and falling out of love with my Death Guard for 40k) that pervaded last year.
So, time for Horus Heresy - Blood Angels. Always loved them, really can't be bothered with 40k much anymore, and the Heresy is just so rich and fluffy.
However, 30k is much, much, much more expensive and time consuming - unlike modern 40k, there's plenty of units with no official kits, lots of troops needed, mostly in forgeworld resin as the 40k stuff really doesn't look right.
So, kitbashed a Praetor with Jump Pack, Blade of Perdition and Volkite pistol.
Praetor are pretty senior leaders - so he's a beast. BoP is stupidly good, and volkite should be a good disincentive to get too close too.
Then, a Moritat for my second HQ. Moritats are considered pretty senior, but are actually undergoing penance by diving into the thick of fighting until they've overcome their shame. Twin infernus pistols and certain moritat rules mean this guy is a huge distraction for opponents - leave him alone and he'll be a complete pain, go for him and you're not shooting something else...
With Jump pack and twin infernus pistols.
Then my first unit, unlikely to be used too much, but used as a trial scheme. Tartaros pattern terminators. Quick, agile, but not as heavily armoured as other variants.
The champ
Awaiting gloss varnish before gloss washes, then satin varnish, highlights and decals before a final varnish. Champ's chain fist now has hazard stripes - I couldn't resist the old 3rd edition aesthetic!
Eagle eyed will note so far, all plastic no resin...
Tartaros are from the Burning of Prospero, and I swapped some of the Mk3 marines for a box of Sanguinary Guard and Death Company from 40k to use bitz from.
Then, for Christmas I got glasses to correct my colour blindness. I can see red!! Fortunately, I still liked my test scheme, however it really doesn't come out well on 'candid' camera.
Then, time to actually sort my s
t out... The luxury of a hobby room when we moved last Feb had quickly turned into a complete riot of plastic and mess, with zero organisation and loads of stuff everywhere. Time to get my s
t in order... No particular order, but getting there...
Workstation.
Storage/display (never ask to look inside those RUBs!
Still to sort/table for gaming and board building
And, after fifteen years, I can finally have my beloved boards on display too...
Next jobs - finish the sorting of paints/materials/tools. Then it's all systems go on finishing the first units of BA.
I've got some 30k Assault (jump pack) troops coming, a very nice PHer sorted me out with a couple of dozen resin 3d printed shields... (IP nazis, back off! GW have never done anything like these...). Also waiting on a Blood Angels contemptor, and some BA resin 30k upgrades.
Oh and teaser for my second version of the red base coats - five colours in theory blended to give a 'zenithal' highlight
No shades/washes yet...
All over in burnt umber. Then all over with Blood Angels contrast (although I've just bought Flesh Tearers contrast as my new sight thinks it might work better/be a bit deeper/more intense).
Then three decreasing coats from 'above' of vga Red, then VGA red/fluo red, then I think VGA red/fire orange.
That's the process for the bottom model. The tartaros were a bit simpler, but too flat for my liking.
Next, it'll be a gloss varnish and gloss agrax wash - so it doesn't stain the red, but gives (hopefully!) a really nice deep shadowing/lining of panels.
Then satin varnish, all the details, and a final protective varnish.
Sounds long winded, but the praetor at the bottom of my post took fewer than 15 minutes using my (bloody awesome, and so much better than my old H&S) Badger 105 and the OH's hairdryer. Including cleaning of the airbrush! I kept a little log of mixes, so if it comes out as envisaged I can mix up some decent batches in dropper bottles.
Debating whether to do any edge highlighting. Will probably do very little, but just little points at the extreme points of highlight.
Hoping they'll come out well!
It'll be things like the power swords/jump pack nozzles that'll take ages. Lots of masking/blends using white and Daler Rowney inks that really don't like being rushed..
All over in burnt umber. Then all over with Blood Angels contrast (although I've just bought Flesh Tearers contrast as my new sight thinks it might work better/be a bit deeper/more intense).
Then three decreasing coats from 'above' of vga Red, then VGA red/fluo red, then I think VGA red/fire orange.
That's the process for the bottom model. The tartaros were a bit simpler, but too flat for my liking.
Next, it'll be a gloss varnish and gloss agrax wash - so it doesn't stain the red, but gives (hopefully!) a really nice deep shadowing/lining of panels.
Then satin varnish, all the details, and a final protective varnish.
Sounds long winded, but the praetor at the bottom of my post took fewer than 15 minutes using my (bloody awesome, and so much better than my old H&S) Badger 105 and the OH's hairdryer. Including cleaning of the airbrush! I kept a little log of mixes, so if it comes out as envisaged I can mix up some decent batches in dropper bottles.
Debating whether to do any edge highlighting. Will probably do very little, but just little points at the extreme points of highlight.
Hoping they'll come out well!
It'll be things like the power swords/jump pack nozzles that'll take ages. Lots of masking/blends using white and Daler Rowney inks that really don't like being rushed..
Sway said:
This just came up in my newsfeed - from a pretty well respected commission painter...
Safe to say yours holds up bloody well against it Doc!
Ha ha thanks - although the lettering is better. I wonder if they used a very fine pen rather than a brush?Safe to say yours holds up bloody well against it Doc!
I’d be really interested to see that one when it’s finished.
Glad the wet palette thing is working out
I don't know who the painter of the above model is, but Darren Latham has a video on painting lettering, it is by no means exhaustive, but it shows some of his techniques:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrzTOglonI&t=...
Darren is a Games Workshop sculptor / model designer, and has a fair few awards for his painting.
I have some Rotring Isograph pens that I used to use for drawing diagrams back in ye olde analogue days, I want to give those a go at lettering some time. Not sure my 0.30mm will be fine enough though.
I don't know who the painter of the above model is, but Darren Latham has a video on painting lettering, it is by no means exhaustive, but it shows some of his techniques:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrzTOglonI&t=...
Darren is a Games Workshop sculptor / model designer, and has a fair few awards for his painting.
I have some Rotring Isograph pens that I used to use for drawing diagrams back in ye olde analogue days, I want to give those a go at lettering some time. Not sure my 0.30mm will be fine enough though.
Zad said:
Glad the wet palette thing is working out
I don't know who the painter of the above model is, but Darren Latham has a video on painting lettering, it is by no means exhaustive, but it shows some of his techniques:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrzTOglonI&t=...
Darren is a Games Workshop sculptor / model designer, and has a fair few awards for his painting.
I have some Rotring Isograph pens that I used to use for drawing diagrams back in ye olde analogue days, I want to give those a go at lettering some time. Not sure my 0.30mm will be fine enough though.
Thanks, yes, my son & I have watched quite a few of his videos, but not the lettering one. I’d imagine the Isograph pens would work very well on Matt or satin, I wonder if there’s a solvent for the ink that doesn’t attack the base paint (just in case)? I’ll let my son try one out one of his figures with a scroll - he’s been using a sharpened mechanical pencil, but it’s not too clear.I don't know who the painter of the above model is, but Darren Latham has a video on painting lettering, it is by no means exhaustive, but it shows some of his techniques:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWrzTOglonI&t=...
Darren is a Games Workshop sculptor / model designer, and has a fair few awards for his painting.
I have some Rotring Isograph pens that I used to use for drawing diagrams back in ye olde analogue days, I want to give those a go at lettering some time. Not sure my 0.30mm will be fine enough though.
I'll dig out the guy's Facebook page so you can follow.
From his comments, done with brush/wet pallete.
I've been using pens for some stuff - sharpies are pretty good, with decent coverage. But Posca paint pens are awesome - especially the metallics for smashing out the base coats on titan armour plate trim - god that's tedious with a brush! Neither any good for really fine stuff though.
From his comments, done with brush/wet pallete.
I've been using pens for some stuff - sharpies are pretty good, with decent coverage. But Posca paint pens are awesome - especially the metallics for smashing out the base coats on titan armour plate trim - god that's tedious with a brush! Neither any good for really fine stuff though.
The Age of Sigmar Mortal Realms partwork is out in most newsagents today. You get a lot of sprue (two) for £2:99! Both 2018 designs and pretty densely populated. I bought a couple, should be ideal for practising my painting. The 3 sequitors have 38mm modelled bases, and 10x25mm bases for the Nighthaunts. No paints in the first issue though.
Funnily enough, was chatting to a mate I play kill team with tonight about that.
We're going to do an escalation league (where you start with a small skirmish force, then each month add a unit/number of points), by the end of the year you've got a pretty decent army.
He's never painted, and wants to learn.
Slightly controversial opinion - I've grown to despise GW paints. The pots are the worst design ever, the paints are expensive, and in many cases pretty crap (some exceptions) - the key benefit is ease of following painting guides/etc.
However, in the age of the Internet, there's much better options - Vallejo Game Colour (or Game Air - ignore the air bit, they're perfect for brush painting out the pot).
Greater variety, easy conversion tables if you're following a GW guide. Cheaper, better paint, and much easier to use.
GW washes and technical/contrast paints are in the main utterly superb however.
We're going to do an escalation league (where you start with a small skirmish force, then each month add a unit/number of points), by the end of the year you've got a pretty decent army.
He's never painted, and wants to learn.
Slightly controversial opinion - I've grown to despise GW paints. The pots are the worst design ever, the paints are expensive, and in many cases pretty crap (some exceptions) - the key benefit is ease of following painting guides/etc.
However, in the age of the Internet, there's much better options - Vallejo Game Colour (or Game Air - ignore the air bit, they're perfect for brush painting out the pot).
Greater variety, easy conversion tables if you're following a GW guide. Cheaper, better paint, and much easier to use.
GW washes and technical/contrast paints are in the main utterly superb however.
Not controversial with me. I quite like Citadel paints themselves, but quantity (12ml vs 17ml for Vallejo etc) is pretty mean, and the containers are awful. they seem especially designed not to close properly at the hinge and so dry out (even the old containers weren't great at that). Vallejo etc with dropper bottles inherently reduce evaporation while in use, and if knocked over they are much less likely to throw their contents all over the bench. At places like Wayland, where Vallejo is 20% off, it sells for around £2 vs GWs high-street prices of £2:70. You can of course buy dropper bottles off Ebay and decant Citadel paints into them.
Of course, Citadel paints have the advantage that you can pick them up at a local shop, but shops have commensurate financial overheads. That is only part of the reason for the quantity / price though, the rocketing profits at GW make up most of it. But when all's said and done, I suppose nobody is forcing anyone to buy them. If they continue to increase prices though, i do wonder if things will fall off a cliff one day. I always think it is a shame they never branched out to sell any other type or manufacturer's models.
Of course, Citadel paints have the advantage that you can pick them up at a local shop, but shops have commensurate financial overheads. That is only part of the reason for the quantity / price though, the rocketing profits at GW make up most of it. But when all's said and done, I suppose nobody is forcing anyone to buy them. If they continue to increase prices though, i do wonder if things will fall off a cliff one day. I always think it is a shame they never branched out to sell any other type or manufacturer's models.
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