Models as investments?

Models as investments?

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dr_gn

16,169 posts

185 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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jon-yprpe said:
All sage advice. I think I’ll pass on the model as I can’t justify the money as a decorative object.

But interesting as to whether these ever move in value - apart from down.
That’s a shame really.

There are other 1:18 models of the 917 that are very nice, for much less money. I’ve got one of the 1970 LeMans winner. Might not be as Internally detailed, or weathered, but someone could do that for you. Anyway, that’s another thread probably.

snowen250

1,090 posts

184 months

Thursday 22nd October 2020
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Pocher models tend to be good investments. The latest Ducati bike was £600 and they now go for £1K plus on ebay.

Might be worth keeping an eye on any future releases?

dr_gn

16,169 posts

185 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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snowen250 said:
Pocher models tend to be good investments. The latest Ducati bike was £600 and they now go for £1K plus on ebay.

Might be worth keeping an eye on any future releases?
I've lost track of Pocher models - they're not what they used to be, and I though they were sold as kits only? If so, that's a different investment proposition from a built model.

I think people would be willing to pay over the odds for an out of production NIB Pocher kit.

Likewise, a *well* built Pocher model (the old ones, not the newer ones) can fetch a great deal of money, mainly beacuse they require a lot more to build than some glue and paint.

That's just the impression I get though, could be wrong.

waynecyclist

8,844 posts

115 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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SydneyBridge said:
Lego would be a better investment.
This, buy a few sets and keep them mint and sealed, once Lego stop making they shoot up in value.

dr_gn

16,169 posts

185 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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waynecyclist said:
SydneyBridge said:
Lego would be a better investment.
This, buy a few sets and keep them mint and sealed, once Lego stop making they shoot up in value.
You can't derive much pleasure from looking at boxes of Lego.

x5x3

2,424 posts

254 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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dr_gn said:
waynecyclist said:
SydneyBridge said:
Lego would be a better investment.
This, buy a few sets and keep them mint and sealed, once Lego stop making they shoot up in value.
You can't derive much pleasure from looking at boxes of Lego.
I always buy two, one to open and build and another to keep unopened.

dr_gn

16,169 posts

185 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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x5x3 said:
dr_gn said:
waynecyclist said:
SydneyBridge said:
Lego would be a better investment.
This, buy a few sets and keep them mint and sealed, once Lego stop making they shoot up in value.
You can't derive much pleasure from looking at boxes of Lego.
I always buy two, one to open and build and another to keep unopened.
For what they're potentially going to be worth vs. the expendature, I couldn't be bothered to be honest. I keep all my Technic boxes and instructions, but that's as far as I'd go. The 8043 excavator for example still goes for multiples of what I paid for it (3 for 2 at Argos and immediately sold the others) whether it's MIB or not.

x5x3

2,424 posts

254 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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dr_gn said:
x5x3 said:
dr_gn said:
waynecyclist said:
SydneyBridge said:
Lego would be a better investment.
This, buy a few sets and keep them mint and sealed, once Lego stop making they shoot up in value.
You can't derive much pleasure from looking at boxes of Lego.
I always buy two, one to open and build and another to keep unopened.
For what they're potentially going to be worth vs. the expendature, I couldn't be bothered to be honest. I keep all my Technic boxes and instructions, but that's as far as I'd go. The 8043 excavator for example still goes for multiples of what I paid for it (3 for 2 at Argos and immediately sold the others) whether it's MIB or not.
I did the same with the 8043, but just sold one, and yes I agree they may not turn out to be a good investment in pure £ terms but some (e.g. 41999) are appreciating well whilst others (e.g. 42056) are not. Either way I probably should sell some - I've got over 50 currently and storage space is beginning to become an issue!

clockworks

5,379 posts

146 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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I built a Pocher F40 when they first came out. I bought another one shortly after they were discontinued, as I wanted to do a properly detailed build.
I also picked up an Autograph transkit, which cost twice what I paid for the kit.

I took one look in the transkit box, realised it would be a long-term project, and put it away again - so much photoetch!

That must have been around 15 years ago, and I still haven't started it. Must be worth a couple of grand now?


I also bought a Pocher Ducati, when Russy (Jadlam) was selling them at a discount. Despite having every intention of building it, I haven't.

russy01

4,693 posts

182 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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snowen250 said:
Pocher models tend to be good investments. The latest Ducati bike was £600 and they now go for £1K plus on ebay.

Might be worth keeping an eye on any future releases?
Nah they just didn’t make enough of this latest model, after years out of production.

Hornby only made several hundred pcs of the latest Ducati - but won’t make the same mistake next time.

Some make good money now, but I wouldn’t say it’s a dead cert.

Stratovarious

7,739 posts

179 months

Friday 23rd October 2020
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HINT:

If you're buying a kit as an investment - don't build it.



(I can't be bothered to build them anyway these days, all that bloody photo etch!)

BIRMA

3,810 posts

195 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Stratovarious said:
HINT:

If you're buying a kit as an investment - don't build it.



(I can't be bothered to build them anyway these days, all that bloody photo etch!)
Indeed, I've got a Pocher Rolls Royce kit in my loft. I bought it at a retirement sale at my local model shop for what I think was about £200 at the time (mid 80's) with the idea of building it when I retired.
I like the idea of building it, but will have to have a dedicated desk/workbench as there are so many parts. Or I could sell it.

Stratovarious

7,739 posts

179 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Even those Airfix kits in the little bags with header cards are fetching fortunes now. But they must be unbuilt!

(No, I don't understand the logic of collecting piles of parts either. Hey-ho.)

Do you remember the late 50's when Frog did all 3 V-bombers in 1/96 scale? Probably sold for about 10 bob each at the time.

£100 now at least.

dr_gn

16,169 posts

185 months

Saturday 24th October 2020
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Stratovarious said:
Even those Airfix kits in the little bags with header cards are fetching fortunes now. But they must be unbuilt!
Not all of them by any means. I bought a bagged, first edition Airfix Bristol Bulldog for under £5 at the Telford Show, and built it earlier this year:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

My son got a Frog, bagged, Macchi 202 from the Huddersfield show a few years ago for £1, and built it (bottom of page):

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

The kits that fetch the most money are the ones where the moulds have disappeared, for example the Airfix SAM missile.

sonicbloo

637 posts

151 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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jon-yprpe said:
Now, if my wife finds out I’ve spend £1k on a model she will freak out. But if I can make an argument it’s an investment that can be part of my pension then that’s prob ok with just a few nights sleeping in the shed. But I wondered if these type of models are collectible and do go up in value?
If you show her the prices of their other models, she may actually congratulate you on getting a bargain smile

Like this Veyron https://www.amalgamcollection.com/collections/all-... priced at £12964

BIRMA

3,810 posts

195 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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sonicbloo said:
If you show her the prices of their other models, she may actually congratulate you on getting a bargain smile

Like this Veyron https://www.amalgamcollection.com/collections/all-... priced at £12964
Most of their bigger models are all over the £10K mark. but the detail is so good it really is like looking at a smaller version of the real thing. As I mentioned when I was at the Classic LeMans they had a really big display there of most of the model range, I must have spent 4 or 5 hours just drooling, I was tempted but didn't, but I can see why people do buy them once you've seen them close up

sonicbloo

637 posts

151 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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BIRMA said:
Most of their bigger models are all over the £10K mark. but the detail is so good it really is like looking at a smaller version of the real thing. As I mentioned when I was at the Classic LeMans they had a really big display there of most of the model range, I must have spent 4 or 5 hours just drooling, I was tempted but didn't, but I can see why people do buy them once you've seen them close up
Impressive for sure, and built in Britain too

Jay Leno was certainly taken with them, and when you consider the time spent, the cost per hour of labour seems very cheap. They do seem ridiculously priced at first glance, but are works of art in their own right, but sadly works of art are out of my price bracket so I'll have to stick to Autoart models - my wife would still not be happy if she knew I spent £100 on a 'toy' !!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oct-Oc4uJhE&ab...