tvr cerbera model
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minichamps said:
UKbob said:
GTmodels said:
"What I have been told is that Jadi have the sample, tools, moulding of the item, however they are waiting to receive so many orders for them before they run the production. This same situation happened from the same company over the TVR Sagaris in red, blue and silver. Fingers crossed the item will be released soon!"
Wouldnt TVRtones pics indicate that JADI are ready to rock, just that they are waiting for the orders now?
Come on Jadi !!!!The tooling for a 1/18th car will be very expensive, even at Chinese rates: there will be a die for the body casting and one for the separate doors/bonnet, a suite of maybe 3 or 4 injection mould tools for the various different materials and colours of the plastic parts, artwork for stickers and/or printing, painting/printing/assembly jigs, packaging artwork, and that`s after the significant expense of cad drawing and modelling a prototype.
It makes no financial sense to sit on this level of investment (I guess a conservative 40k) and not get product out straight away to start paying it off.
Given there is just a blank space by the Cerb listing on Jadi`s website (not even a photo of a mock-up) I suspect that we`ll have to continue to be patient.....if it arrives at all. It would be a shame if it`s been canned - that prototype model is lovely.
P.S. Any one know how to get access to the cad model?
It makes no financial sense to sit on this level of investment (I guess a conservative 40k) and not get product out straight away to start paying it off.
Given there is just a blank space by the Cerb listing on Jadi`s website (not even a photo of a mock-up) I suspect that we`ll have to continue to be patient.....if it arrives at all. It would be a shame if it`s been canned - that prototype model is lovely.
P.S. Any one know how to get access to the cad model?
UKbob said:
an update... which will hopefully encourage people to perhaps place more orders with them:
It looks, by the sound of things,................... There's a novel use of the language.GTmodels said:
"What I have been told is that Jadi have the sample, tools, moulding of the item, however they are waiting to receive so many orders for them before they run the production. This same situation happened from the same company over the TVR Sagaris in red, blue and silver. Fingers crossed the item will be released soon!"
It looks, by the sound of things, that the models will only go into production when enough orders have been received Info from www.biante.com.au
Cost to make a 1:18th model
A lot of people have asked the question and some have wondered why obscure cars or some concept cars never get made, so I will give you a rough idea of the cost to make a 1:18th race car:
Engineer visit 2,000
Research 100hours 5,000
Loss of interest % 10,000 (assume 200K out for 1 yr)
Tooling hand sample 24,285
Tooling pattern 278,570
Tampo plates 2,700
Line tooling 2,000
Box artwork etc 600
Total $325,155
So now you have a tool and can start to make a car.
Based on cost per car with a run of 3000, this makes the tooling amortisation cost $108.38 per car, so obviously you cannot make ANYTHING that is a one off that will not sell at least 5000pcs.
Say the cost to produce each model is $ 55.00.
Cost of model 55.00
Freight by sea 1.00
Freight to shop 2.00
Manufacturer fee 5.00
Driver/Team fee 15.00
Plus amortisation 108.38
TOTAL $186.38
Now so far there is NO profit for anyone.
Add profit for man-
ufacturer/distributor 18.00
Total to shop= $204.38
Store margin (say 50%) 102.19
Retail $306.57
Add the GST 30.66
RETAIL price $337.23
NOW you know why cars that are "One offs" or unuseable as race cars, taxi, Police or road cars out of basically the same tool, never get made.
Or not by people who want to stay in business anyway.
The only ways to reduce this cost is by bigger total numbers (25,000 is a bare minimum) or to cut corners and make less features/quality.
For example, 3 road cars and 2 race cars for a total of 25,000 models
Engineer visit 2,000
Research 150hours 8,000
Loss of interest % 10,000 (assume 200K out for 1 yr)
Tooling hand sample 24,285
Tooling pattern 278,570
Tooling new bits 10,500
Tampo plates 2,900
Line tooling 2,000
Box artwork etc 900
Total $339,155
Based on cost per car with a run of 25,000, this makes the tooling amortisation cost $13.56 per car
Say the cost to produce each model is $ 28.00.
Cost of model 28.00
Freight by sea 0.60
Freight to shop 2.00
Manufacturer fee 5.00
Driver/Team fee 15.00
Plus amortisation 13.56
TOTAL $64.16
Add profit for man-
ufacturer/distributor 18.00
Total to shop= $82.16
Store margin (say 50%) 41.08
Retail $123.24
Add the GST 12.32
RETAIL price $135.56
So you see, it's a numbers game.
Cost to make a 1:18th model
A lot of people have asked the question and some have wondered why obscure cars or some concept cars never get made, so I will give you a rough idea of the cost to make a 1:18th race car:
Engineer visit 2,000
Research 100hours 5,000
Loss of interest % 10,000 (assume 200K out for 1 yr)
Tooling hand sample 24,285
Tooling pattern 278,570
Tampo plates 2,700
Line tooling 2,000
Box artwork etc 600
Total $325,155
So now you have a tool and can start to make a car.
Based on cost per car with a run of 3000, this makes the tooling amortisation cost $108.38 per car, so obviously you cannot make ANYTHING that is a one off that will not sell at least 5000pcs.
Say the cost to produce each model is $ 55.00.
Cost of model 55.00
Freight by sea 1.00
Freight to shop 2.00
Manufacturer fee 5.00
Driver/Team fee 15.00
Plus amortisation 108.38
TOTAL $186.38
Now so far there is NO profit for anyone.
Add profit for man-
ufacturer/distributor 18.00
Total to shop= $204.38
Store margin (say 50%) 102.19
Retail $306.57
Add the GST 30.66
RETAIL price $337.23
NOW you know why cars that are "One offs" or unuseable as race cars, taxi, Police or road cars out of basically the same tool, never get made.
Or not by people who want to stay in business anyway.
The only ways to reduce this cost is by bigger total numbers (25,000 is a bare minimum) or to cut corners and make less features/quality.
For example, 3 road cars and 2 race cars for a total of 25,000 models
Engineer visit 2,000
Research 150hours 8,000
Loss of interest % 10,000 (assume 200K out for 1 yr)
Tooling hand sample 24,285
Tooling pattern 278,570
Tooling new bits 10,500
Tampo plates 2,900
Line tooling 2,000
Box artwork etc 900
Total $339,155
Based on cost per car with a run of 25,000, this makes the tooling amortisation cost $13.56 per car
Say the cost to produce each model is $ 28.00.
Cost of model 28.00
Freight by sea 0.60
Freight to shop 2.00
Manufacturer fee 5.00
Driver/Team fee 15.00
Plus amortisation 13.56
TOTAL $64.16
Add profit for man-
ufacturer/distributor 18.00
Total to shop= $82.16
Store margin (say 50%) 41.08
Retail $123.24
Add the GST 12.32
RETAIL price $135.56
So you see, it's a numbers game.
minichamps said:
gruffgriff said:
It makes no financial sense to sit on this level of investment (I guess a conservative 40k) and not get product out straight away to start paying it off.
To get a decent 1/18 model production ready costs around 250k
OMFG! Given those figures, I guess we`re lucky we get anything at sensible prices!Jadi just referred me to their retailers when I questioned them (via their website) regarding a launch date for the Cerb, so if the manufacturer can`t confirm.......
b11ocx said:
I know that I bought a white metal Cerbera that they painted in my paint colour from a company called SMTS years ago... its still in the garage somewhere (unlike the Cerbera)
I remember they did Chimera's and Tuscan's as well.
SMTS make several TVRs in both kit and hand built forms. www.grandprixmodels.com have a couple of examples in stock by the look of things. I remember they did Chimera's and Tuscan's as well.
Edited by b11ocx on Monday 7th January 20:48
fatbaldbloke said:
b11ocx said:
I know that I bought a white metal Cerbera that they painted in my paint colour from a company called SMTS years ago... its still in the garage somewhere (unlike the Cerbera)
I remember they did Chimera's and Tuscan's as well.
SMTS make several TVRs in both kit and hand built forms. www.grandprixmodels.com have a couple of examples in stock by the look of things. I remember they did Chimera's and Tuscan's as well.
Edited by b11ocx on Monday 7th January 20:48
minichamps said:
UKbob said:
GTmodels said:
"What I have been told is that Jadi have the sample, tools, moulding of the item, however they are waiting to receive so many orders for them before they run the production. This same situation happened from the same company over the TVR Sagaris in red, blue and silver. Fingers crossed the item will be released soon!"
Stay well clear of them.
Modellium though is a well trusted site to buy from. (not connected to them in anyway - promise)
minichamps said:
fatbaldbloke said:
b11ocx said:
I know that I bought a white metal Cerbera that they painted in my paint colour from a company called SMTS years ago... its still in the garage somewhere (unlike the Cerbera)
I remember they did Chimera's and Tuscan's as well.
SMTS make several TVRs in both kit and hand built forms. www.grandprixmodels.com have a couple of examples in stock by the look of things. I remember they did Chimera's and Tuscan's as well.
Edited by b11ocx on Monday 7th January 20:48
) but it is now in build and will be bespoke, exterior and interior as exact matches, my reg on it...the only difference being it will be on the old spiders as they havent got a clue on my new wheels 
FUBAR said:
SMTS are making a Cerb model for me (well, Mrs Fubes ordered it for my birthday...then Xmas...then Father's Day and now looks to be for my birthday again ) but it is now in build and will be bespoke, exterior and interior as exact matches, my reg on it...the only difference being it will be on the old spiders as they havent got a clue on my new wheels
Please tell me it hasn't taken them 12 months to custom build you a 1:43rd scale model. That's very poor IMHO.) but it is now in build and will be bespoke, exterior and interior as exact matches, my reg on it...the only difference being it will be on the old spiders as they havent got a clue on my new wheels FUBAR said:
Im not completely in the loop (as its supposed to be a suprise) but I think the kit itself has been on back order and they have only just or are about to recieve it. Hell, even I could have built it in 12 months
Blimey. They make the blooming things (the kits) themselves.) but I think the kit itself has been on back order and they have only just or are about to recieve it. Hell, even I could have built it in 12 months FUBAR said:
NB Im not sure its 1:43? I'll have to do some more snooping
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