Latest Project: Matchbox 1/32 Bf-109E-3

Latest Project: Matchbox 1/32 Bf-109E-3

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perdu

4,884 posts

200 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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that DOES sound like a plan

don't forget that if you use PVA to glue it to the airframe you can always retrieve any disasters by slicing the PVA away when dried, it's always softer than the associated plastic. A fine fresh scalpel blade works wonders if used sensitively

I am with you in wanting "features" to do something even if it is ONLY a model How many times did I hear that in the past) Ive been known to add an extra rail at times to make a window open or some such, even once make a hinge so A Frog Wesex tail could hinge for deck/hangar stowage.

That was NOT a pretty sight but was equally worth a try...

dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Sunday 18th April 2010
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Her's some WIP in the cockpit. It's taken a fair amount of cutting and shutting to get stuff to fit, and I'm surprised that Eduard etch kits need such a lot of work to get right. Some stuff just cannot work the way they show it on the instructions. There's a fair amount of scratch-builiong in there too: you can see I've started adding lead and copper wiring in some places, and the pivots for the trim wheels are plastic rod. The knobs on the p/e levers are blobs of pva - works quite well:



For a first attempt at anything like this I'm fairly happy. The detail is there even if the exact positioning of things might be a bit out. It will look better when painted!

perdu

4,884 posts

200 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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lots to be proud of there

the additional parts look to give a "working machine" look to the cockpit I think you have another fine model on its way here

fettling the bits to fit is another string to a modeller's bow, versatility - r - us

smile

Looks very nice to me

dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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perdu said:
lots to be proud of there

the additional parts look to give a "working machine" look to the cockpit I think you have another fine model on its way here

fettling the bits to fit is another string to a modeller's bow, versatility - r - us

smile

Looks very nice to me
Thanks Perdu.

Do you have a good way of making cable/pipe clips? I'm thinking of crushing some 0.3mm lead wire and cutting tiny strips off it to arch over the wiring/plumbing at various points.

Cheers,

Red Firecracker

5,276 posts

228 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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dr_gn said:
Thanks Perdu.

Do you have a good way of making cable/pipe clips? I'm thinking of crushing some 0.3mm lead wire and cutting tiny strips off it to arch over the wiring/plumbing at various points.

Cheers,
Thick tinfoil, or even better, thick foil tape cut into strips? I'd imagine the clips would be flat metal so a bit of wire over the top may look a little incongruous?

dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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Red Firecracker said:
dr_gn said:
Thanks Perdu.

Do you have a good way of making cable/pipe clips? I'm thinking of crushing some 0.3mm lead wire and cutting tiny strips off it to arch over the wiring/plumbing at various points.

Cheers,
Thick tinfoil, or even better, thick foil tape cut into strips? I'd imagine the clips would be flat metal so a bit of wire over the top may look a little incongruous?
Hence 'crushing' the wire to make it flat. I need something that has zero spring in it, so I though lead would be a good material.

Red Firecracker

5,276 posts

228 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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Should have read that a bit more, shouldn't I. I'm still in the foil/tape camp though.

dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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Red Firecracker said:
Should have read that a bit more, shouldn't I. I'm still in the foil/tape camp though.
Fair enough, I'll try some foil.

dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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dr_gn said:
Red Firecracker said:
Should have read that a bit more, shouldn't I. I'm still in the foil/tape camp though.
Fair enough, I'll try some foil.
Tried some foil, but couldn't deal with it, the clips are too small to manipulate, and the foil is so thin that it's....difficult. I think I have reached my personal detail limit (and at 1:32 scale it's not even that small!).

perdu

4,884 posts

200 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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dr_gn said:
dr_gn said:
Red Firecracker said:
Should have read that a bit more, shouldn't I. I'm still in the foil/tape camp though.
Fair enough, I'll try some foil.
Tried some foil, but couldn't deal with it, the clips are too small to manipulate, and the foil is so thin that it's....difficult. I think I have reached my personal detail limit (and at 1:32 scale it's not even that small!).
Can you post a picture of the clips you want?

Are they like the modern "P" clips or more like the omega sign with a loop and a flat on each side?

You know I advocated PVA glue earlier, if that stuff is applied where you want a clip, and you wait until it is drying but not set you can push it about with a pointer or fine screwdriver to a shape of your own choice. And adding a touch of cyano helps it stiffen up too

When it dries "et viola" and "sacre blèu", a clip!

apply the paint finish of choice, you dont need to make clips, you only have to make clips appear.

It will take a bit of practise, but it can be done

The eye is the judge, and much of modelling is sleight of hand. like panel lines for instance smile



dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Tuesday 20th April 2010
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perdu said:
dr_gn said:
dr_gn said:
Red Firecracker said:
Should have read that a bit more, shouldn't I. I'm still in the foil/tape camp though.
Fair enough, I'll try some foil.
Tried some foil, but couldn't deal with it, the clips are too small to manipulate, and the foil is so thin that it's....difficult. I think I have reached my personal detail limit (and at 1:32 scale it's not even that small!).
Can you post a picture of the clips you want?

Are they like the modern "P" clips or more like the omega sign with a loop and a flat on each side?

You know I advocated PVA glue earlier, if that stuff is applied where you want a clip, and you wait until it is drying but not set you can push it about with a pointer or fine screwdriver to a shape of your own choice. And adding a touch of cyano helps it stiffen up too

When it dries "et viola" and "sacre blèu", a clip!

apply the paint finish of choice, you dont need to make clips, you only have to make clips appear.

It will take a bit of practise, but it can be done

The eye is the judge, and much of modelling is sleight of hand. like panel lines for instance smile
Perdu,

Yes 'p' clips, or straddle clips that secure a flat bunch of pipes. I thought about PVA, but assumed it would just form a blob and look a bit rubbish. I'll give your method a go tonight.

Cheers

dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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Here's some more progress with the cockpit. I repositioned the trim wheels because I found the Eduard positioning of the chains and gears was totally wrong. Just need to add a couple of wires to the port side, the oxygen lines to the central bit, and refine the oxygen regulator and joystick a bit. Then painting...





It's not turned out as well as I hoped, but I have learned a lot about how to use photo-etch and scratch-build. I hope I don't mess up the paint!


Edited by dr_gn on Thursday 22 April 08:07

.Mark

11,104 posts

277 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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dr_gn said:
Here's some more progress with the cockpit. I repositioned the trim wheels because I found the Eduard positioning of the chains and gears was totally wrong. Just need to add a couple of wires to the port side, the oxygen lines to the central bit, and refine the oxygen regulator and joystick a bit. Then painting...

It's not turned out as well as I hoped, but I have learned a lot about how to use photo-etch and scratch-build. I hope I don't mess up the paint!
And the pics? ......

dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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.Mark said:
dr_gn said:
Here's some more progress with the cockpit. I repositioned the trim wheels because I found the Eduard positioning of the chains and gears was totally wrong. Just need to add a couple of wires to the port side, the oxygen lines to the central bit, and refine the oxygen regulator and joystick a bit. Then painting...

It's not turned out as well as I hoped, but I have learned a lot about how to use photo-etch and scratch-build. I hope I don't mess up the paint!
And the pics? ......
Knackered - edited original post.

.Mark

11,104 posts

277 months

Wednesday 21st April 2010
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dr_gn said:
.Mark said:
dr_gn said:
Here's some more progress with the cockpit. I repositioned the trim wheels because I found the Eduard positioning of the chains and gears was totally wrong. Just need to add a couple of wires to the port side, the oxygen lines to the central bit, and refine the oxygen regulator and joystick a bit. Then painting...

It's not turned out as well as I hoped, but I have learned a lot about how to use photo-etch and scratch-build. I hope I don't mess up the paint!
And the pics? ......
Knackered - edited original post.
Waiting with baited breath biggrin

dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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.Mark said:
dr_gn said:
.Mark said:
dr_gn said:
Here's some more progress with the cockpit. I repositioned the trim wheels because I found the Eduard positioning of the chains and gears was totally wrong. Just need to add a couple of wires to the port side, the oxygen lines to the central bit, and refine the oxygen regulator and joystick a bit. Then painting...

It's not turned out as well as I hoped, but I have learned a lot about how to use photo-etch and scratch-build. I hope I don't mess up the paint!
And the pics? ......
Knackered - edited original post.
Waiting with baited breath biggrin
Should be there now. Almost certainly wasn't worth the wait laugh

.Mark

11,104 posts

277 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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dr_gn said:
Should be there now. Almost certainly wasn't worth the wait laugh
I always like to see the detail, and it looks good to me - if it were my model I'd have just left it bog standard, that's the difference between skill and having a go!

perdu

4,884 posts

200 months

Thursday 22nd April 2010
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It looks damned nice

well worth having a go and when you are into the detail paint stage (seen your work, so I know you will be) it will look fantastic

all the bits where hands rub the metal shiny and the bits where the paint gets discoloured and kicked about

this looks perfect for that kind of job

I am really enjoying this

and yes

'bated breath for the next phase

great

dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Friday 23rd April 2010
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perdu said:
It looks damned nice

well worth having a go and when you are into the detail paint stage (seen your work, so I know you will be) it will look fantastic

all the bits where hands rub the metal shiny and the bits where the paint gets discoloured and kicked about

this looks perfect for that kind of job

I am really enjoying this

and yes

'bated breath for the next phase

great
Thanks Perdu,

As you know I'm fairly critical of my own work, and in this case I think I made the error of too many coats of grey primer. It's dulled some of the sharp detail too much. I couldn't resist the temptaion of seeing how it all looked under one coat of paint (ie checking for gaps etc) at various stages of assembly. I should have left it until everythig was in place and then primed it and corrected any errors. Never having done detailling/scratchbuilding before I didn't know how it would turn out. You live and learn!

Cheers,

dr_gn

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16,173 posts

185 months

Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Made some progress on the cockpit tonight. Not 100% happy with the wash, but it looks OK even though I'm not sure how I achieved that result. Just needs some dry brushed aluminium and a few scratches, then overcoating with matt varnish: