Shorts Sunderland

[The real Apache]

dr_gn said:

CanAm said:

I read somewhere a build-up of the Accurate Miniatures Mitchell where the guy had even printed a Time Magazine to leave in the loo!

Printing tiny scale documents? Nutter!

seen this on a 1/48th 109 too, a tiny map under the windscreen

[perdu]

The real Apache said:

dr_gn said:

CanAm said:

I read somewhere a build-up of the Accurate Miniatures Mitchell where the guy had even printed a Time Magazine to leave in the loo!

Printing tiny scale documents? Nutter!

seen this on a 1/48th 109 too, a tiny map under the windscreen

yes

I've seen this lately too...

I know a certain Shackleton inna museum with some, not all the interior bits mocked up

Not like the real thing though and yep, its impossible to see inside.

but equally satisfying to know you tried a bit harder...

Mind you that Sunderland is very impressive, the inner section with the staircase is worthy of leaving OUTSIDE so we can all admire it.

[dr_gn]

The real Apache said:

dr_gn said:

CanAm said:

I read somewhere a build-up of the Accurate Miniatures Mitchell where the guy had even printed a Time Magazine to leave in the loo!

Printing tiny scale documents? Nutter!

seen this on a 1/48th 109 too, a tiny map under the windscreen

Surely it should´ve been in the map pocket to the right of the pilot´s seat?

[The real Apache]

dr_gn said:

The real Apache said:

dr_gn said:

CanAm said:

I read somewhere a build-up of the Accurate Miniatures Mitchell where the guy had even printed a Time Magazine to leave in the loo!

Printing tiny scale documents? Nutter!

seen this on a 1/48th 109 too, a tiny map under the windscreen

Surely it should´ve been in the map pocket to the right of the pilot´s seat?

you could be right

[dr_gn]

perdu said:

The real Apache said:

dr_gn said:

CanAm said:

I read somewhere a build-up of the Accurate Miniatures Mitchell where the guy had even printed a Time Magazine to leave in the loo!

Printing tiny scale documents? Nutter!

seen this on a 1/48th 109 too, a tiny map under the windscreen

yes

I've seen this lately too...

I know a certain Shackleton inna museum with some, not all the interior bits mocked up

Not like the real thing though and yep, its impossible to see inside.

but equally satisfying to know you tried a bit harder...

Mind you that Sunderland is very impressive, the inner section with the staircase is worthy of leaving OUTSIDE so we can all admire it.

Yup,

I can fully understand it on something with plenty of glazing (an He 111 nose or whatever) or something with a lot of open hatches, but from what I can see, the guy has detailed the inside of the fully enclosed rear fuselage with stiffeners, and also a´fully enclosed compartment within the fuselage. Just seems a bit odd. Would be nice to see one half fully finished, and half with full or part substructure but with the outer skin left off.

Cheers,

[perdu]

dr_gn said:

perdu said:

The real Apache said:

dr_gn said:

CanAm said:

I read somewhere a build-up of the Accurate Miniatures Mitchell where the guy had even printed a Time Magazine to leave in the loo!

Printing tiny scale documents? Nutter!

seen this on a 1/48th 109 too, a tiny map under the windscreen

yes

I've seen this lately too...

I know a certain Shackleton inna museum with some, not all the interior bits mocked up

Not like the real thing though and yep, its impossible to see inside.

but equally satisfying to know you tried a bit harder...

Mind you that Sunderland is very impressive, the inner section with the staircase is worthy of leaving OUTSIDE so we can all admire it.

Yup,

I can fully understand it on something with plenty of glazing (an He 111 nose or whatever) or something with a lot of open hatches, but from what I can see, the guy has detailed the inside of the fully enclosed rear fuselage with stiffeners, and also a´fully enclosed compartment within the fuselage. Just seems a bit odd. Would be nice to see one half fully finished, and half with full or part substructure but with the outer skin left off.

Cheers,

I entirely understand why he has done it that way

"if you can, you should"

But it is a pity it won't be seen, however, he has taken a multiplicity of photographs so we CAN be sure he did it even when closed up

I just love it

Never did build a Sunderland even though dad flew in them

[CanAm]

The real Apache said:

dr_gn said:

CanAm said:

I read somewhere a build-up of the Accurate Miniatures Mitchell where the guy had even printed a Time Magazine to leave in the loo!

Printing tiny scale documents? Nutter!

seen this on a 1/48th 109 too, a tiny map under the windscreen

Well at least you can see that when the model is finished. You don't exactly get a good view of the inside of the loo of a Mitchell through the limited glazing! I should have made it clear though - he only printed the COVER of the magazine. What a cop-out!

[dr_gn]

CanAm said:

The real Apache said:

dr_gn said:

CanAm said:

I read somewhere a build-up of the Accurate Miniatures Mitchell where the guy had even printed a Time Magazine to leave in the loo!

Printing tiny scale documents? Nutter!

seen this on a 1/48th 109 too, a tiny map under the windscreen

Well at least you can see that when the model is finished. You don't exactly get a good view of the inside of the loo of a Mitchell through the limited glazing! I should have made it clear though - he only printed the COVER of the magazine. What a cop-out!

You´ll appreciate post #17 here then!

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showt...

Ironically it was JamesH who gave me my current ´109 project, and I´d almost decided against putting a map in it until I saw his map AND magazine. I reckon they look great.

[The real Apache]

By the cringe! that chap can paint too

[dr_gn]

The real Apache said:

By the cringe! that chap can paint too

Yeah - he specialises in larger scale Luftwaffe stuff.

[Kneetrembler]

mattviatura said:

Dad flew them in 44/45, the only thing I know is that it would have been Coastal Command.

I've been in touch with the Sunderland Trust at Pembroke and am in the process of finding out details about specific aircraft. Unfortunately the only picture of my father in the Air Force shows him fast asleep in a Catalina.

Dr that's kind of you, Sheffield you say? Hmmm Snake Pass...

I may well be in touch when I have the specifics thank you.

Slightly off kits, but my mum was stationed at Pembroke on Sunderlands in the WAAF in those years, her name was Irene Caws from the Isle of Wight & her cousin was also on them she was called Vera Scott, when they got leave they used to fly up to Calshot, Hampshire

[mattviatura]

Dr_gn YHM

[dr_gn]

mattviatura said:

Dr_gn YHM

Understood, no problem.

[dr_gn]

The missus looked over my shoulder the other day when I was studying the Sunderland instructions and asked "Did they make a long version too?". Totally true.

(and no, I wasn't 'nude modelling'!)

Edited by dr_gn on Friday 16th July 22:00

[CobolMan]

dr_gn said:

The missus looked over my shoulder the other day when I was studying the Sunderland instructions and asked "Did they make a long version too?". Totally true.

(and no, I wasn't 'nude modelling'!)

Edited by dr_gn on Friday 16th July 22:00

Have a couple of

How are you getting on with it?

[dr_gn]

CobolMan said:

dr_gn said:

The missus looked over my shoulder the other day when I was studying the Sunderland instructions and asked "Did they make a long version too?". Totally true.

(and no, I wasn't 'nude modelling'!)

Edited by dr_gn on Friday 16th July 22:00

How are you getting on with it?

Not bad ta, considering it's such an old model.

[Eric Mc]

I think Airfix released it around 1960.

[dr_gn]

Eric Mc said:

I think Airfix released it around 1960.

That's what's moulded into one of the wing halves.

[dr_gn]

The Airfix Sunderland is finished, and is now in Mattviatura's safe hands! I knew what I was in for with this model, but the fact it was more or less OOB took the pressure off a bit. The fit and finish is pretty bad as expected for a model of this age, the raised rivet detail being a big problem. If you fill and sand the gaps in the fuselage halves and wing roots, you end up removing a load of tiny rivets too. Masking over rivets is also tricky because the paint 'bleeds' under the raised bits. The fuselage halves don't match up very well, so there is a bit of a step there which is very difficult to remove without days of work.

The cockpit glazing was a pretty good fit on the fuselage, but if you fit the pilots, you can't fit it because the pilots are about 2mm too tall. I had to cut their feet off. The control columns also don't fit in the cockpit opening without raking them back a bit.

IIRC the only things I added were stretched sprue float bracing wires and an aerial, some rubber handle grips to the beaching trolley, red band decals on the bombs and a pale band decal around the D/F loop fairing.

FWIW I'm happy with it all things considered.


Cleaned-up parts.


I was hoping the portholes could be masked by punching masking tape through a paper hole punch, but they are too small. I used a steel punch to do it and it worked pretty well, although the glazing is a poor fit and some portholes are badly deformed in their centres.


The bombs were in halves which didn't match up. This required more filler. I added some red bands by cutting up an old Matchbox 1/32 Spitfire tail flash. Much easier than painting! I also drilled the back of the bombs to make them a bit less bulky, but it's obviously impossible to drill a round hole concentric with an oval solid! The prop spinners are all wrong, so I tried to make them more realistic by painting the white to about the right size, and leaving the rest black.


I used Tamiya Smoke for the exhausts and pre and post shading the panel lines. It's good stuff because it's almost transparent and gives you a good chance to correct mistakes as you're spraying.








I tried sanding flats on the tyres to make them look loaded. Worked OK.


Upper wing roundels are about 2mm too large: they should be a bit further outboard, but as they are they would touch the ailerons and the black l/e strip.




I added some reflectors to the wing lights out of punched foil - they look good although the clear glazing is not a good fit to the wing l/e.


There is absolutely no framing on the screens or the turrets. All the framing is done by looking at 3-view drawings and photos, and masking the glass bits before overspraying first with interior green followed by outer surface colour.

[Gareth350]

That Sir, looks amazing!