Return of the Renault 5

[carinaman]

There's some Flair to that design.

[_Mja_]

Crafty_ said:

I think this is a problem for all manufacturers - why buy the M / AMG / GTI / whatever, with an EV the differences wil be minimal and certainly not worth the premiums. Even more than now they'll just become trim levels.

I think we'll end up with "Eco", "Comfort", "Msport/SLine/Sport" and halo cars "RS,M". I agree I couldn't see the point of the upgrading in trim in some circumstances and assume Halo cars will be a bit quicker than the already quick normal sport models, unlike today's petrol engines where you're getting a powertrain and chassis package that feels and sounds very different.

Sad times. I just hope there's something other than visuals that can keep us petrolheads entertained on the enthusiast spectrum.

As daily driver I do think electric makes sense though. Just wish it was an alternative rather than replacement for petrol/diesel.

[LuS1fer]

MonkeyMatt said:

Shame it will lose some of its styling for production in the same way as the Honda

At least this is starting as a 4 door.

[Xenoous]

It does look great, I'll give them that. The 5 was always a cool car when I was growing up, so it would be nice to see a new version. Shove the Megane RS motor in it for the 'RS' version... Standard mundane version can electrified.

[LuS1fer]

Xenoous said:

It does look great, I'll give them that. The 5 was always a cool car when I was growing up, so it would be nice to see a new version. Shove the Megane RS motor in it for the 'RS' version... Standard mundane version can electrified.

They could possibly market that for more money by making it an Alpine, as the fast 5s used to be.

[Capt. Howdy]

Koolkat969 said:

ajap1979 said:

That looks nice. It echoes the looks of the Mk2 Clios in my opinion

I’d say more a Renault 5....

[snotrag]

300bhp/ton said:

Love the colour. Looks great. But will it really look like this if it makes it to production? Probably not.

Why not?


2016 Concept:


https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...

Production model on sale now:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/alpine/a110

[Alex_225]

I think I'm in the minority here but I'm not sure I'm keen on it. I love Renault and have been an owner of at least one Renault my entire driving life including a Renault 5 some years back.

It's actually quite a decent looking car, interesting styling and the stance is very reminiscent of the Turbo. Other than that though, it's not really much like a R5. Not in the same way that the Fiat 500 or Mini is clearly a modern interpretation of those cars. Like them or not they do quite a good job of showing you what car they're meant to be.

Will reserve judgement for when I see the finished article in the metal/plastic.

[Crafty_]

_Mja_ said:

Sad times. I just hope there's something other than visuals that can keep us petrolheads entertained on the enthusiast spectrum.

Ultimately, the age of the car enthusiast is at an end. It'll die out within a few generations as those who currently keep/enjoy classic cars die off and the cars are scrapped.
Long before that they will be banned from the roads and dwell in museums and dusty garages.

[SWoll]

Crafty_ said:

_Mja_ said:

But electric so may as well just get the basic model which will be plenty quick enough around town and the country lanes and sound exactly the same.

I think this is a problem for all manufacturers - why buy the M / AMG / GTI / whatever, with an EV the differences wil be minimal and certainly not worth the premiums. Even more than now they'll just become trim levels.

Not understanding how it's any different to ICE personally? Performance versions of EV's could have different suspension, brakes, styling, interior and power/performance in comparison to standard just as with ICE?

[300bhp/ton]

snotrag said:

Why not?

Because it just doesn't look like a production car. The Alpine you posted was not really that radical, its in the details. Size of wheels, wide arches, such sharp design. This stuff never makes it through, it is always dropped to make a vehicle more production friendly. And certainly in the case of a cheap hatchback.

Happy to be proven wrong on this. But doubt I will be. Just look at all the other concept cars you see and compare to what actually turns up in the end. They are always toned down.


EDITED to add:

Just look at the finer details, like no windscreen wipers, mirrors too small to see out of, lack of indicators and side repeaters.

Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 14th January 15:09

[SWoll]

snotrag said:

300bhp/ton said:

Love the colour. Looks great. But will it really look like this if it makes it to production? Probably not.

Why not?


2016 Concept:


https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...

Production model on sale now:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/alpine/a110

It'll almost certainly get watered down to some degree much like the Honda E did I'm sure. We're talking a mass market vehicle rather than niche market sportscar.

[cerb4.5lee]

I'm liking that to be fair. I've always liked the Renault 5 GT Turbo.

[LuS1fer]

I imagine this is destined to be more MINI/DS than mainstream, a more niche product with premium features.

However, it makes no sense to call it the Renault 5 unless Renault revert to reinventing their range into 4, 6 etc.

It might make mores marketing sense to call it the Renault Cinq though that may bring forth Titanic jokes...

[thewarlock]

MonkeyMatt said:

Jazzer77 said:

Love this.

Its got the same vibes as the Honda-E.

Shame it will lose some of its styling for production in the same way as the Honda

Yup, came here to post both of these things.

Still, hope they make something cool.

[AmyRichardson]

SWoll said:

Crafty_ said:

_Mja_ said:

But electric so may as well just get the basic model which will be plenty quick enough around town and the country lanes and sound exactly the same.

I think this is a problem for all manufacturers - why buy the M / AMG / GTI / whatever, with an EV the differences wil be minimal and certainly not worth the premiums. Even more than now they'll just become trim levels.

Not understanding how it's any different to ICE personally? Performance versions of EV's could have different suspension, brakes, styling, interior and power/performance in comparison to standard just as with ICE?

What came to mind for me was manufacturer's offering the same engine in various states of "tune" where the only difference is the software. People are happy to side-step the dumbed-down 170hp turbo-4 and pay a not inconsequential premium for the 200hp (but otherwise identical) turbo-4; why should the market for EV's be any different?

I suspect this is a familiarity thing; we understand displacement, cylinder arrangements, etc, etc, but (for now) the subtleties of EV drive-trains are a bit of mystery.

[SWoll]

AmyRichardson said:

SWoll said:

Crafty_ said:

_Mja_ said:

But electric so may as well just get the basic model which will be plenty quick enough around town and the country lanes and sound exactly the same.

I think this is a problem for all manufacturers - why buy the M / AMG / GTI / whatever, with an EV the differences wil be minimal and certainly not worth the premiums. Even more than now they'll just become trim levels.

Not understanding how it's any different to ICE personally? Performance versions of EV's could have different suspension, brakes, styling, interior and power/performance in comparison to standard just as with ICE?

What came to mind for me was manufacturer's offering the same engine in various states of "tune" where the only difference is the software. People are happy to side-step the dumbed-down 170hp turbo-4 and pay a not inconsequential premium for the 200hp (but otherwise identical) turbo-4; why should the market for EV's be any different?

I suspect this is a familiarity thing; we understand displacement, cylinder arrangements, etc, etc, but (for now) the subtleties of EV drive-trains are a bit of mystery.

Giving our own purchase as an example the Model 3 SR+ is RWD (single motor), has 320 bhp, a 50kWh battery and 18" wheels. Our Model 3 Performance has AWD (dual motors), 490bhp, a 75 kWh battery, 20" wheels, bigger brakes and different suspension. Hardly a minimal difference?

[SweptVolume]

SWoll said:

AmyRichardson said:

SWoll said:

Crafty_ said:

_Mja_ said:

But electric so may as well just get the basic model which will be plenty quick enough around town and the country lanes and sound exactly the same.

I think this is a problem for all manufacturers - why buy the M / AMG / GTI / whatever, with an EV the differences wil be minimal and certainly not worth the premiums. Even more than now they'll just become trim levels.

Not understanding how it's any different to ICE personally? Performance versions of EV's could have different suspension, brakes, styling, interior and power/performance in comparison to standard just as with ICE?

What came to mind for me was manufacturer's offering the same engine in various states of "tune" where the only difference is the software. People are happy to side-step the dumbed-down 170hp turbo-4 and pay a not inconsequential premium for the 200hp (but otherwise identical) turbo-4; why should the market for EV's be any different?

I suspect this is a familiarity thing; we understand displacement, cylinder arrangements, etc, etc, but (for now) the subtleties of EV drive-trains are a bit of mystery.

Giving our own purchase as an example the Model 3 SR+ is RWD (single motor), has 320 bhp, a 50kWh battery and 18" wheels. Our Model 3 Performance has AWD (dual motors), 490bhp, a 75 kWh battery, 20" wheels, bigger brakes and different suspension. Hardly a minimal difference?

So the SR+ is the driver's car and the Performance is the motorway hack?

[ben5575]

Yes I'd definitely buy that, in that colour and assuming it looks like that once it's been through the sausage machine.

Where do I sign?

[300bhp/ton]

LuS1fer said:

I imagine this is destined to be more MINI/DS than mainstream, a more niche product with premium features.

Is MINI really all that niche?

Think they sell approx 350,000 cars a year.