Friday 24th August 2007

240,000 Peugeot 307s Recalled

The Lion has a leak

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Pug 307: soon to be on fire

Another day, another European car has been found with a fault that could kill you.

This time 240,000 Peugeot 307s are broken. It’s nothing major, apart from a fault in the ABS/Stability control system!

A seal in the ABS/ESP hardware case has been found to leak – and as we all know, electricity + water = er, sparks and malfunctions.

So 240,000 cars made between 2003 and 2006 have been recalled, and owners have received letters letting them know that their car might get a bit….er, hairy under braking.

Still, a few less 307s on the road can hardly be a bad thing now, can it?......just as long as nobody gets hurt in the process.

[samuelellis]

surely this has been known for a while - i had the recall letter for this last year when i owned one

this was before it kicked me in the boocks and ran off with a lot of my cash - it was not a bad car but it just was not built right

[900T-R]

The Peugeot Netherlands' official line as per yesterday: "On second thought, there's nothing to worry about - we know the ABS/ESP units are insufficiently sealed but Peugeot is only recalling the ones in some Nordic countries as over here, we haven't had a decent winter in years anyway so what's the chance of a bit of road salt and moisture entering your ECU and buggering up your braking? Exactly. So just carry on as you were..."

Edited by 900T-R on Friday 24th August 10:08

[ross_stig]

no way!! reliability issues with a peugeot? oh...my....god.

pretty rubbish design then. well done pug

[Adrian W]

Come on, the're a car company they can get away with anything, they just say "it was alright when it left us gov, honest"
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except in America!

[Griffit]

It shouldn't be too much of an issue should it? Don't people learn to cadence brake anymore or do driving schools only teach in cars with ABS nowadays? ABS is nice but no substitute for good observation, leaving appropriate stopping distances and knowing how to drive without it...

[900T-R]

Adrian W said:

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except in America!

... where cr*p design and cr*p build is the norm, and in exchange for cunsumers having accepted this for decades, they get the chance to sue the manufacturers whenever something unforseen happens which is usually triggered by their own stupidity.

[A1GOY]

Griffit said:

It shouldn't be too much of an issue should it? Don't people learn to cadence brake anymore or do driving schools only teach in cars with ABS nowadays? ABS is nice but no substitute for good observation, leaving appropriate stopping distances and knowing how to drive without it...

I learnt in car with ABS, then owned a Metro that didn't have it. That was a slidey fun winter.

[Frimley111R]

'Still, a few less 307s on the road can hardly be a bad thing now, can it?......just as long as nobody gets hurt in the process.'

Even better, just scrap the crappy things!!! I know Citroens and Renaults are 'built' just as badly but at least the cars look good (mostly).

[havoc]

I think ABS is a good thing.

1) It's helped me out of a couple of otherwise-hairy situations
(like the chap the other day who, coming from the other direction towards the roundabout I was nearly at, decided to turn RIGHT from the LEFT-hand lane of the D-C without indicating...at night!!! Cue major anchors in the damp!!! )

2) More relevantly for the driving gods on this thread, it's stopped a fair few numpties from hitting me!

[brandguru]

This is not going to get better in our industry. Toyota were famed for build and reliability. Those where the days when things were not rushed and consumers would except 'bland but reliable'. But now we want more. Quicker, faster, better looking, more toys safer.
LCI's (Life Cycle Impulses), probably due to how people finance and change cars every 18 months (not 3 years!!) manufacturers are pumping out units. And to capture their existing customers and conquests, must have new, better, more economy etc.

Sadly - we are now the Guinea pigs, and near road testing the cars. This is the supermarket style of the motor business. BMW 1 series redeveloped after 18 Months! The new X5, launched in April this year will be updated in November this year! Warrantee work is a big business, hence most dealerships make more from service and warrantee than sales!

[Cliffv8]

why do people buy Peugrots and shitrons? I just don't undersand someone going in to a show room and say huummm thats a nice car, I really like the nice cheap feel to it

[900T-R]

brandguru said:

LCI's (Life Cycle Impulses), probably due to how people finance and change cars every 18 months (not 3 years!!)

Where would that be, then? If UK, no wonder that people on £40K+ incomes complain about not being able to afford anything decent...

Overall, the trend is the reverse due to more expensive cars and stable or declining disposable income: the average time that a car remains in the possession of the original owner, is now 58 months in The Netherlands.

The ever shortening product cycles are due to a) the fleet market where brand loyalty is low and most punters are inclined to choose the latest, 'freshest' vehicle come renewal time and b) legislation (safety/emissions mostly).

Edited by 900T-R on Friday 24th August 10:54

[brandguru]

900T-R said:

brandguru said:

LCI's (Life Cycle Impulses), probably due to how people finance and change cars every 18 months (not 3 years!!)

Where would that be, then? If UK, no wonder that people on £40K+ incomes complain about not being able to afford anything decent...

Overall, the trend is the reverse due to more expensive cars and stable or declining disposable income: the average time that a car remains in the possession of the original owner, is now 58 months in The Netherlands.

Most cars in the UK (new) are bought on a PCP - where you finance everything but the future value in 3 years. Where you finance less, so your paymet is less. In 3 years you throw the car in and get another, so, the balloon is the deposit (future value) Targets in all the Manufacturers I have worked for are higher each year (Jaguar, Toyota, Audi and BMW) - profit maybe down, but units are being sold.
Cars may be more expensive, but if you can offset the total value - the cost per month is less. Buying a New car can work out cheaper than a used one per month.

[900T-R]

brandguru said:

Buying a New car can work out cheaper than a used one per month.

If you disregard the fact that at the end of the term with PCP, you're left with nowt, while the traditionally financed used motor will still be yours after the last payment.

Love it how people can delude themselves that buying a new (mainstream) car and chopping it in right after it has suffered the free-fall part of its depreciation curve, can be a financially advantageous thing.

[havoc]

900T-R said:

Love it how people can delude themselves that buying a new (mainstream) car and chopping it in right after it has suffered the free-fall part of its depreciation curve, can be a financially advantageous thing.

Scientists should start working on how to harness the power of self-delusion...it'd solve the global warming and energy crises in one go!!!

[hellrot_e34]

typical french p.o.s.

[brandguru]

900T-R said:

brandguru said:

Buying a New car can work out cheaper than a used one per month.

If you disregard the fact that at the end of the term with PCP, you're left with nowt, while the traditionally financed used motor will still be yours after the last payment.

Love it how people can delude themselves that buying a new (mainstream) car and chopping it in right after it has suffered the free-fall part of its depreciation curve, can be a financially advantageous thing.

Depends how you buy, and who's money it is. If you get a contribution from an employer, you can, via PCP get an upspec car, and at the end - the car goes back. As with a PCP it can be cheaper per month, and to many, this is more important than overall cost (hence why people take out loooong term loans!

Nobody said it was the best thing to do, but it is the most successful method of finance at the moment. Also, the rate you finance at can be less than your seavings are gaining. BMW finance at 5% (if you are smart) and Most savings are 6% - If I had 30K to send on a car, I'd take the deposit contribution discount and keep my cash in the bank, compounding rather than in a depreciating asset.

That said - I run classics

[kevin ritson]

Cliffv8 said:

why do people buy Peugrots and shitrons? I just don't undersand someone going in to a show room and say huummm thats a nice car, I really like the nice cheap feel to it

Once upon a time you'd forgive the comic build quality as a good Pug was a joy to drive. I still remember the first time I opened the glovebox on my 309 and it promptly ended up in the passenger footwell! Sadly the dynamics left a long time ago and the quality control remains...

[nickfrog]

I think that the 307 is already one of the least reliable car ever, statistically. This is not gonna help. One has to be mad to buy a French car. The only one I would buy is the cheeky 107, which is engineered by Toyota and built under their standards.

Edited by nickfrog on Friday 24th August 12:27

[Della]

Having had a couple of 205 1.9 GTi's, I can honestly say Peugeot know how to make good cars. They just seem to struggle with technology. My 205's had no ABS, no power steering, no engine immobilisers, no traction control - hence not much to go wrong. They should go back to that rather than these overweight comfy mobile MP3 players with no feel that they produce now.