Discussion
Steve vRS said:
Why? Out door transmission is very low and by June the prevalence of the bug should be extremely low. And if you were in any way in an at risk category, you’d have had both doses of vaccine. The wether will be nice, everyone will be friendly and you’ll enjoy your run.
Have you been at the start of a Parkrun with 200+ people? Sardines at best. No one has tested that data because social distancing has been in place even when outside. Yes. Often. And I will have no hesitation in doing so in June.
It is a fair point on the sardine transmission not being studied but I think my other arguments stand. However, any slight breeze is excellent at dispersing contaminants so I see no reason why aerosol droplets shouldn’t be dispersed in the same way.
It is a fair point on the sardine transmission not being studied but I think my other arguments stand. However, any slight breeze is excellent at dispersing contaminants so I see no reason why aerosol droplets shouldn’t be dispersed in the same way.
Evanivitch said:
Have you been at the start of a Parkrun with 200+ people? Sardines at best. No one has tested that data because social distancing has been in place even when outside.
https://blog.parkrun.com/uk/2021/04/23/new-research-shows-exceptionally-low-risk-of-covid-transmission-at-outdoor-sporting-events/....
The study also suggests that, contrary to popular belief, the risk of infection is even lower at the start line of events like parkrun, than during the event itself. This seems primarily due to the significantly lower breathing rate (pulmonary ventilation rate) of participants prior to the event compared to when running, alongside the relatively short time period participants are gathered together.
In fact, over the 10,000 simulations of the model, Professor Beggs concluded that for the 2.6 million parkrun participants simulated, only one infection would occur on the startline.
This finding suggests that measures such as wave or staggered starts are unnecessary, especially when mitigations that minimise the amount of time participants are gathered together are introduced (one of the measures adopted by parkrun in their operational COVID-19 Framework).
In a further revelation, the paper calls into question the validity of a previous high profile wind tunnel study which demonstrated that particles of the virus could be spread behind runners, potentially posing a significant risk of infection to those running directly behind.
In his report, Professor Beggs sets out how the pre-print study did not simulate real-life conditions and did not take into account major factors such as the average breeze or cross winds, or the turbulence created by the changing position of runners, and the fact that runners are not static and change direction frequently: by definition they are moving thus constantly generating turbulence and changes in airflow.
Consequently, Beggs argues the previous study represented an unrealistic worst-case scenario and when considering a real-life parkrun event, concluded that the risks will be much lower.
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fiatpower said:
Steve vRS said:
Why? Out door transmission is very low and by June the prevalence of the bug should be extremely low. And if you were in any way in an at risk category, you’d have had both doses of vaccine. The wether will be nice, everyone will be friendly and you’ll enjoy your run.
I'll be giving it a miss for a month or so to let the rush i'm expecting calm down. Nothing to do with COVID.I run a bit and volunteer and the atmosphere is what I go for. Almost carnival like on a nice day, lots of people, all wanting to just enjoy themselves, no people up to no good.
For all my strictness on Covid the last however long, i'm now at the point that we need to get back to normal and this will be my first step on that ladder....
madbadger said:
Can’t wait.
My junior event also starts again this Sunday. It will be great.
Took our daughter to a junior one 2 weeks ago, which was good.My junior event also starts again this Sunday. It will be great.
I can't see the 5km ones starting again in June after that email yesterday. Reading between the lines with them asking participants to pressure landowners, they haven't got the permissions from enough landowners to re-start and they are reluctant to re-start with limited events on as it will lead to over crowding at the ones that do start. Until most, if not all, events re-start it doesn't seem like it will happen.
I would hazard that most 5k events also have a junior spinoff event in the same place with the same landowner.
Assuming that landowner has also given permission for the junior to start, why would they not give the same permission for the 5k?
I agree that the email from Paul was not ideal as the events have been told not to speak to the landowners as it is being managed centrally.
Assuming that landowner has also given permission for the junior to start, why would they not give the same permission for the 5k?
I agree that the email from Paul was not ideal as the events have been told not to speak to the landowners as it is being managed centrally.
towser44 said:
Took our daughter to a junior one 2 weeks ago, which was good.
I can't see the 5km ones starting again in June after that email yesterday. Reading between the lines with them asking participants to pressure landowners, they haven't got the permissions from enough landowners to re-start and they are reluctant to re-start with limited events on as it will lead to over crowding at the ones that do start. Until most, if not all, events re-start it doesn't seem like it will happen.
They only contacted landowners yesterday to ask for permission to restart 5k events so won't have very many responses yet.I can't see the 5km ones starting again in June after that email yesterday. Reading between the lines with them asking participants to pressure landowners, they haven't got the permissions from enough landowners to re-start and they are reluctant to re-start with limited events on as it will lead to over crowding at the ones that do start. Until most, if not all, events re-start it doesn't seem like it will happen.
The email from PSH was a bit odd, events have been told not to contact their landowners (because HQ are doing that) so it seems contradictory but as my co-Event director says, it's above our pay grade to worry about it, so we'll just let HQ get on with it!
Is there a list anywhere of the Parkruns that have been given permission to go ahead? I've just seen that two of the Norwich ones are going ahead (Eaton Park and Sloughbottom) but we've got 6 nearby and the 2 next furthest are National Trust ones and I see the National Trust hasn't given permission yet.
FunkyNige said:
Is there a list anywhere of the Parkruns that have been given permission to go ahead? I've just seen that two of the Norwich ones are going ahead (Eaton Park and Sloughbottom) but we've got 6 nearby and the 2 next furthest are National Trust ones and I see the National Trust hasn't given permission yet.
The list is here:https://blog.parkrun.com/uk/2021/04/30/current-lan...
The problem now is local councils. Local councils need to give permission but they do not decide policy on gatherings. The government do that and they have said parkrun can restart. Councils seem to be being overly cautious and are lumping parkrun in with nightclubs reopening.
NT events are a bit different. Their land their rules.
madbadger said:
FunkyNige said:
Is there a list anywhere of the Parkruns that have been given permission to go ahead? I've just seen that two of the Norwich ones are going ahead (Eaton Park and Sloughbottom) but we've got 6 nearby and the 2 next furthest are National Trust ones and I see the National Trust hasn't given permission yet.
The list is here:https://blog.parkrun.com/uk/2021/04/30/current-lan...
FunkyNige said:
Is there a list anywhere of the parkruns that have been given permission to go ahead? I've just seen that two of the Norwich ones are going ahead (Eaton Park and Sloughbottom) but we've got 6 nearby and the 2 next furthest are National Trust ones and I see the National Trust hasn't given permission yet.
Mulbarton not coming back at all.madbadger said:
The problem now is local councils.
Brighton council have given permission for the event that gets about 30 runners but not yet for the 3 that get 500 and the 1 that's 100. I'm a bit worried that they are thinking it's safe to start the small one, but not the large ones. I keep telling the Event Director at the small one that it will be fine, it won't be everyone that goes to them, maybe only 900-1000
Seems crazy that the Sutton Park parkrun in Birmingham has been told it can't go ahead until the council say yes along with the other Birmingham parkruns. However I have a 10K race in the park on Sunday which has presumably been given the go ahead by the council! Doesn't make any sense really.
john2443 said:
FunkyNige said:
Is there a list anywhere of the parkruns that have been given permission to go ahead? I've just seen that two of the Norwich ones are going ahead (Eaton Park and Sloughbottom) but we've got 6 nearby and the 2 next furthest are National Trust ones and I see the National Trust hasn't given permission yet.
Mulbarton not coming back at all.From that list it's only the UEA one (Colney Lane) that hasn't got permission to start yet, the council ones are all going ahead.
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