SPOTY Who will it be

SPOTY Who will it be

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Adrian W

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13,875 posts

228 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Tiggsy

10,261 posts

252 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Interesting that most of those are in their 30's - nice motivator for anyone thinking their too old to hit the gym!

BMWBen

4,899 posts

201 months

Tuesday 27th November 2012
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Surely it's completely pointless putting money on anyone other than the favorite as it's voted for by the public and the way that the bookies manage their odds depend on who's putting money on who.

i.e. The bookies favorite is the favorite because that's who people are going to vote for. read

944fan

4,962 posts

185 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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Tiggsy said:
Interesting that most of those are in their 30's - nice motivator for anyone thinking their too old to hit the gym!
Yeah, but they have been training since they were young, not sat on their arse like me!

Tiggsy

10,261 posts

252 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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944fan said:
Yeah, but they have been training since they were young, not sat on their arse like me!
Ok...for those of us who havent been sat on our arse for 30 years.....its motivational wink

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

152 months

Wednesday 28th November 2012
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BMWBen said:
Surely it's completely pointless putting money on anyone other than the favorite as it's voted for by the public and the way that the bookies manage their odds depend on who's putting money on who.

i.e. The bookies favorite is the favorite because that's who people are going to vote for. read
Depends - some freaks have been thrown up.

For example, 96 - smart money said Steven Redgrave. Damon Hill won.

Edited by Vocal Minority on Wednesday 28th November 21:22

CarCluster

183 posts

138 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Very tough, I reckon Wiggins, Ennis, Farah in the top 3 with Mr. Murray an outside chance for a top 3 (any other year he would be a shoe-in?). They've all done very well they should all get a prize!

Yiliterate

3,786 posts

206 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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CarCluster said:
Very tough, I reckon Wiggins, Ennis, Farah in the top 3 with Mr. Murray an outside chance for a top 3 (any other year he would be a shoe-in?). They've all done very well they should all get a prize!
That's the amazing thing this year; Murray may not even get in the top three (let alone win it) despite being the first British male winner of a tennis grand-slam tournament in three-quarters of a century (as well as winning Olympic gold and silver medals and getting to the final of Wimbledon too)...go back 15 years and Greg Rusedski won SPOTY on the back of reaching the US open final!

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

248 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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I think the GB Womens Cycling team should win the team award. IIRC they broke the world record in four or five consecutive races?

Amazing

fandango_c

1,920 posts

186 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Yiliterate said:
CarCluster said:
Very tough, I reckon Wiggins, Ennis, Farah in the top 3 with Mr. Murray an outside chance for a top 3 (any other year he would be a shoe-in?). They've all done very well they should all get a prize!
That's the amazing thing this year; Murray may not even get in the top three (let alone win it) despite being the first British male winner of a tennis grand-slam tournament in three-quarters of a century (as well as winning Olympic gold and silver medals and getting to the final of Wimbledon too)...go back 15 years and Greg Rusedski won SPOTY on the back of reaching the US open final!
It's not amazing. Wiggins, Ennis and Farah have shown that they are the best in the world at their chosen sports. Murray isn't.

Yiliterate

3,786 posts

206 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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fandango_c said:
It's not amazing. Wiggins, Ennis and Farah have shown that they are the best in the world at their chosen sports. Murray isn't.
Think you're missing the point here - Murray's achievements this year have been absolutely immense, (arguably) eclipsing those of a number of previous winners (e.g. Rusedski), yet these may not even be enough to get him into the top three due to the other superb achievement of those you mention (plus others; Chris Hoy - most decorated British Olympian, Ben Ainslee - most successful Olympic sailor, etc, etc).

Regarding your comment about him not being the best in his chosen sport, well, I'll admit I'm not particularly familiar with how the ATP rankings work. However, there were five big tennis tournaments this year (the four grand slams and the Olympics) and he won two of them, with Djockovic, Federer and Nadal each winning one apiece. IMHO, that makes 2012 his year as much as anyone else's in his chosen sport...

fandango_c

1,920 posts

186 months

Friday 14th December 2012
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Yiliterate said:
Think you're missing the point here - Murray's achievements this year have been absolutely immense, (arguably) eclipsing those of a number of previous winners (e.g. Rusedski), yet these may not even be enough to get him into the top three due to the other superb achievement of those you mention (plus others; Chris Hoy - most decorated British Olympian, Ben Ainslee - most successful Olympic sailor, etc, etc).

Regarding your comment about him not being the best in his chosen sport, well, I'll admit I'm not particularly familiar with how the ATP rankings work. However, there were five big tennis tournaments this year (the four grand slams and the Olympics) and he won two of them, with Djockovic, Federer and Nadal each winning one apiece. IMHO, that makes 2012 his year as much as anyone else's in his chosen sport...
I don't think I'm missing the point. Yes Murray has had an absolutely immense year compare to British tennis players in the past (Rusedski), but the bar had been raised much, much higher for SPOTY compared to previous years, i.e. double gold medalists from the London games not being in the short list.

I understand your view on winning two out of five, but would you honestly say than Murray is the best tennis player in the world?

Yiliterate

3,786 posts

206 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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fandango_c said:
I don't think I'm missing the point. Yes Murray has had an absolutely immense year compare to British tennis players in the past (Rusedski), but the bar had been raised much, much higher for SPOTY compared to previous years, i.e. double gold medalists from the London games not being in the short list.
Yes, that was my point too. The amazing thing is how much success British Sportsmen/women have had in 2012; to the extent that there will be a number of people - potentially including Andy Murray - who won't even make the top three this time around whereas, in previous years, their achievements would have meant they would have been favourites for the main prize. My referencing of Murray was as a clear-cut example of this, given the contrast with Rusedski was both a direct comparison (two British male tennis players) and over a relatively short time-period (15 years).

fandango_c said:
I understand your view on winning two out of five, but would you honestly say than Murray is the best tennis player in the world?
Well, it really depends on how you choose to define this. If you take the view that determining the best player in the world should be based on achivements over an extended period (say, 3-5 years) then clearly Murray would be behind the big three. However, as per the above, I think Murray's record this year is at least the equal of the RF, RN and ND. Further, if you look at 'current form' (i.e. putting greater emphasis on the more recent results), Murray's case looks even stronger; he won the last two big tournaments (US Open, Olympics) and reached the final of the one before that (Wimbledon). So, I would certainly say a decent argument could be made for him being tennis's 'the man of the moment'...

Mojooo

12,720 posts

180 months

Saturday 15th December 2012
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bompey said:
What about Seb Coe for putting it all on?
Lot of work for 1 man to have to it all on!

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I am not sure how popualr cycling is. But the 2 Farah wins stand out in my mind as being 2 of the most exciting moments.

MadMullah

5,265 posts

193 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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its such a shame there's so many other achievements that will be overshadowed by the fantastic year of sport britain has had

rory mcilroy would've been hands down as one of the top nominations

its murray vs wiggo.

Fishtigua

9,786 posts

195 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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Anyone had a punt on any of the winners? Wiggins is my bet for SPOTY and Ryder Cup for team.

TheHeretic

73,668 posts

255 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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Fishtigua said:
Anyone had a punt on any of the winners? Wiggins is my bet for SPOTY and Ryder Cup for team.
That's how it 'should be'.

Gizmoish

18,150 posts

209 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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I think Wiggins >should< win: his achievements are historic.

Ennis will win: she's a lovely girl.

But whoever wins: it's been an AWESOME year and I can't wait for the review to relive it a bit.

Adrian W

Original Poster:

13,875 posts

228 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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I'm going for

Wiggins
Farah
Murray
Ennis

boothy1987

223 posts

140 months

Sunday 16th December 2012
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Except Wiggins couldn't be less likeable if he tried

Should be Jess Ennis