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There are some silly sports in Olympics. The golfers have all used Zika as an excuse as none want to go. Rory even said himself the golfers covert the major golf championships and not the Olympics. Lets be honest golf isn't even a f
king sport anyway.
Good point above about pro vs amateur boxers.
I can't understand why they have changed these things. Are any big name boxers going? The golfists don't care.
Meanwhile there are plenty of sports who can't get a look in.
king sport anyway.Good point above about pro vs amateur boxers.
I can't understand why they have changed these things. Are any big name boxers going? The golfists don't care.
Meanwhile there are plenty of sports who can't get a look in.
I feel sorry for those who have separately proved themselves clear and will compete as independents, will probably have fingers pointed at them still, and there must be some who are based/train outside of the Russian system and have had nothing to do with this.
Has to be all sports, there's no way around it until they can prove their system is sorted out, unfortunately I'm not sure much can be done this close to the time for those who can prove thye are clean and compete as independent.
I could see a few GB athletes/sports people pointing fingers outside of the Olympics, as there's a few who pontificated about it. It's completely understandable, perhaps they feel it doesn't happen here, perhaps not, but I think it's naive; I don't know about drugs but I fully believe most elite sport is rife with blood doping, though that's another discussion.
Has to be all sports, there's no way around it until they can prove their system is sorted out, unfortunately I'm not sure much can be done this close to the time for those who can prove thye are clean and compete as independent.
I could see a few GB athletes/sports people pointing fingers outside of the Olympics, as there's a few who pontificated about it. It's completely understandable, perhaps they feel it doesn't happen here, perhaps not, but I think it's naive; I don't know about drugs but I fully believe most elite sport is rife with blood doping, though that's another discussion.
Its a real mess. What about those people who missed out on medals at London and Sochi. Will they finally get them and would it matter? They have missed the post games lift and some will have probably given up, retired, lost funding as they thought they were out of it.
Its bad for those in Russia playing clean. No one will ever believe they are completely clean for years to come. There will always be suspicion. Imagine working that hard to achieve the pinnacle of your sport for everyone to assume you must have cheated.
FINA have already dropped a clanger this week by lifting the suspension of Iuliia Efimova for her 2ND offence.
Its bad for those in Russia playing clean. No one will ever believe they are completely clean for years to come. There will always be suspicion. Imagine working that hard to achieve the pinnacle of your sport for everyone to assume you must have cheated.
FINA have already dropped a clanger this week by lifting the suspension of Iuliia Efimova for her 2ND offence.
944fan said:
Its a real mess. What about those people who missed out on medals at London and Sochi. Will they finally get them and would it matter? They have missed the post games lift and some will have probably given up, retired, lost funding as they thought they were out of it.
Its bad for those in Russia playing clean. No one will ever believe they are completely clean for years to come. There will always be suspicion. Imagine working that hard to achieve the pinnacle of your sport for everyone to assume you must have cheated.
FINA have already dropped a clanger this week by lifting the suspension of Iuliia Efimova for her 2ND offence.
Yes, people may be moved up for medals. Won't repair the damage but it does help funding for sport and individuals, obviously nothing retrospectively but they, or their successors if retired, can still benefit. Its bad for those in Russia playing clean. No one will ever believe they are completely clean for years to come. There will always be suspicion. Imagine working that hard to achieve the pinnacle of your sport for everyone to assume you must have cheated.
FINA have already dropped a clanger this week by lifting the suspension of Iuliia Efimova for her 2ND offence.
I feel for the clean athletes, Russian and not.
And really hope someone nails Vinokourov one of these days.
944fan said:
There are some silly sports in Olympics. The golfers have all used Zika as an excuse as none want to go. Rory even said himself the golfers covert the major golf championships and not the Olympics.
As an amateur 'golfist', I'm with Rory on this one and have no interest in watching any of the Olympic golf (presuming they show some). Just like I won't be watching any football, rugby or tennis. All these sports have world cups, grand slams and major championships. The Olympics are simply not the pinnacle for them. Instead I'll be watching sports that I only watch every four years like; athletics, swimming, rowing, hockey, weight lifting, canoeing, sailing, judo, eventing, etc, etc where the Olympics are indeed their world cups and the pinnacle of their sport.
boxsey said:
As an amateur 'golfist', I'm with Rory on this one and have no interest in watching any of the Olympic golf (presuming they show some). Just like I won't be watching any football, rugby or tennis. All these sports have world cups, grand slams and major championships. The Olympics are simply not the pinnacle for them.
Instead I'll be watching sports that I only watch every four years like; athletics, swimming, rowing, hockey, weight lifting, canoeing, sailing, judo, eventing, etc, etc where the Olympics are indeed their world cups and the pinnacle of their sport.
Is that a Western take on it? I'll be watching the same events as you and won't bother with tennis, football, etc., but in countries where football isn't a big deal will they have more interest in it like we do with Judo? I know archery is big in Korea, do they not bother watching it as it's their main sport anyway?Instead I'll be watching sports that I only watch every four years like; athletics, swimming, rowing, hockey, weight lifting, canoeing, sailing, judo, eventing, etc, etc where the Olympics are indeed their world cups and the pinnacle of their sport.
I'd love to see a more streamlined Olympics that concentrates on sports where the Olympics are either the pinnacle (or joint pinnacle like I guess swimming/athletics is with their World Championships?) but maybe they need the big stars of golf, football, tennis to bring in more money.
Any body catch the programme on BBC 1 about PEDs? It was one of those twin Drs that have done a few of these types of programmes. It was a bit annoying as they tried to cover lots of different things in 1 hour, including amateur doping (big bug bear of mine).
Anyway there was an interview with Tim Montgomery, he was very frank and quite frightening to hear his opinion about why people dope and how he has physical health has suffered.
They also looked at the techniques they use to avoid detection. They touched on the Lance Armstrong hiding behind the curtains but the more frightening one was the fake penis and clean (or manufactured urine) which Mike Tyson was using. How can a dope tester be sure they are getting genuine piss? Mick Dundee the guy mid flow to check its an actual cock?
Was very interesting to see all the things that can go on, especially in light of the recent Russia news story and the impending Olympics.
One final piece they touched on was about legal performance enhancers. Caffeine is the obvious one but another they used electrical stimulation of a certain part of the brain which numbed the pain response so there athlete can push their body harder without their brain telling them to stop. Apparently some of the cycle teams are already using it
Anyway there was an interview with Tim Montgomery, he was very frank and quite frightening to hear his opinion about why people dope and how he has physical health has suffered.
They also looked at the techniques they use to avoid detection. They touched on the Lance Armstrong hiding behind the curtains but the more frightening one was the fake penis and clean (or manufactured urine) which Mike Tyson was using. How can a dope tester be sure they are getting genuine piss? Mick Dundee the guy mid flow to check its an actual cock?
Was very interesting to see all the things that can go on, especially in light of the recent Russia news story and the impending Olympics.
One final piece they touched on was about legal performance enhancers. Caffeine is the obvious one but another they used electrical stimulation of a certain part of the brain which numbed the pain response so there athlete can push their body harder without their brain telling them to stop. Apparently some of the cycle teams are already using it
cyclists have been abusing pain killers for years to numb the pain and allow them to push harder. lots of cortisone injections and pain killers going on throughout the big races, one story (cant remember who's book it was in, maybe david millars) that stick out was someone who came off the bike on a stage, broke a collar bone and wrist (maybe both wrists) but managed to finish the stage off because they just couldn't feel the pain!!!
944fan said:
Any body catch the programme on BBC 1 about PEDs? It was one of those twin Drs that have done a few of these types of programmes. It was a bit annoying as they tried to cover lots of different things in 1 hour, including amateur doping (big bug bear of mine).
Anyway there was an interview with Tim Montgomery, he was very frank and quite frightening to hear his opinion about why people dope and how he has physical health has suffered.
They also looked at the techniques they use to avoid detection. They touched on the Lance Armstrong hiding behind the curtains but the more frightening one was the fake penis and clean (or manufactured urine) which Mike Tyson was using. How can a dope tester be sure they are getting genuine piss? Mick Dundee the guy mid flow to check its an actual cock?
Was very interesting to see all the things that can go on, especially in light of the recent Russia news story and the impending Olympics.
One final piece they touched on was about legal performance enhancers. Caffeine is the obvious one but another they used electrical stimulation of a certain part of the brain which numbed the pain response so there athlete can push their body harder without their brain telling them to stop. Apparently some of the cycle teams are already using it
I saw the programme and enjoyed it, the presentation was not too sensational.Anyway there was an interview with Tim Montgomery, he was very frank and quite frightening to hear his opinion about why people dope and how he has physical health has suffered.
They also looked at the techniques they use to avoid detection. They touched on the Lance Armstrong hiding behind the curtains but the more frightening one was the fake penis and clean (or manufactured urine) which Mike Tyson was using. How can a dope tester be sure they are getting genuine piss? Mick Dundee the guy mid flow to check its an actual cock?
Was very interesting to see all the things that can go on, especially in light of the recent Russia news story and the impending Olympics.
One final piece they touched on was about legal performance enhancers. Caffeine is the obvious one but another they used electrical stimulation of a certain part of the brain which numbed the pain response so there athlete can push their body harder without their brain telling them to stop. Apparently some of the cycle teams are already using it
I must firstly say my stance on drug taking is that anything should be allowed and I've a lot of experience of drugs in sport.
The single thing that stuck with me was that Tim Montgomery (he came across well I thought) said that taking drugs allowed him to realise his full potential,
That was an interesting perspective.
FlyingMeeces said:
And really hope someone nails Vinokourov one of these days.
I have to say I have a less black and white view on doping (especially in cycling). I do not condone it, and I support bans for those caught of course. But, I am not a pitchfork and flaming torch type about it either (mostly because I believe it was endemic right up until the mid 2000's in cycling - it's not right, but it's not a simple and black and white either). I'd much rather re-integrate a first offender and give them another chance (because lefty liberal hand wringer apologist lefty).
However the likes of Gatlin and Vinokourov really feck me off.
They have been nailed. They don't care. There is zero contrition. Zero. That is where my (arguably far to deep) well of sympathy runeth dry.
Vocal Minority said:
However the likes of Gatlin and Vinokourov really feck me off.
They have been nailed. They don't care. There is zero contrition. Zero. That is where my (arguably far to deep) well of sympathy runeth dry.
Yeah I am definitely with on Gatlin. The man is tThey have been nailed. They don't care. There is zero contrition. Zero. That is where my (arguably far to deep) well of sympathy runeth dry.
t. He still stands by the ste excuse that a disgruntled masseuse rubbed testogel into him. I take testogel daily because I have low T. It took 3 months of a sachet a day to raise my level a tiny amount.Even f
king Lance Armstrong eventually admitted to it. I just want to punch Gatlin whenever he speaks. "I am so grateful and blesssed...." fk off.Plus he is a two times cheat.
Thankyou4calling said:
The single thing that stuck with me was that Tim Montgomery (he came across well I thought) said that taking drugs allowed him to realise his full potential,
That was an interesting perspective.
Yeah that quote really chimed with me. His attitude was totally not that I was cheating or doing something wrong I was just unlocking what was already in side of me.That was an interesting perspective.
944fan said:
Vocal Minority said:
However the likes of Gatlin and Vinokourov really feck me off.
They have been nailed. They don't care. There is zero contrition. Zero. That is where my (arguably far to deep) well of sympathy runeth dry.
Yeah I am definitely with on Gatlin. The man is tThey have been nailed. They don't care. There is zero contrition. Zero. That is where my (arguably far to deep) well of sympathy runeth dry.
t. He still stands by the ste excuse that a disgruntled masseuse rubbed testogel into him. I take testogel daily because I have low T. It took 3 months of a sachet a day to raise my level a tiny amount.Even f
king Lance Armstrong eventually admitted to it. I just want to punch Gatlin whenever he speaks. "I am so grateful and blesssed...." fk off.Plus he is a two times cheat.
944fan said:
That WR was amazing. Especially her face when she realised. Shame she wont be there. I guess the US have to have a very strict set of rules for track and field as there are so many good athletes.
For technical events it seems silly. I remember one Olympics where they didn't have the best decathlete in the world there because he failed the trial because of 3 failures in a technical event. The IOC have passed the buck in my eyes and bottled it.
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