The Tennis Thread

The Tennis Thread

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spikeyhead

17,341 posts

198 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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JagLover said:
McGee_22 said:
bad company said:
I reckon the nerves & pressure got to her. It happens.
McEnroe said similar on the BBC, and he's now getting slaughtered on social media for his mysogyinistic views.

I reckon the lengthy game before buggered up her eating/energy preparation and Cap'n vomit and his merry band of gips and cramps came to say hi.

There will be questions asked but remember that her first game at Wimbledon this year was her second WTA game ever. She's done ok pretty damn well but she needs some better coaching in the mental and physical prep for a tournament - her playing coaching has been brilliant for her to play so far above her ranking like that.
The official story now seems to be "breathing problems", or in other words no doubt an anxiety attack.

McEnroe was right as far as I can see.
Brilliant diagnosis Doc... how did you eliminate all the other possible causes of breathing problems?

JagLover

42,451 posts

236 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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spikeyhead said:
Brilliant diagnosis Doc... how did you eliminate all the other possible causes of breathing problems?
I don't but it seems a likely cause, unless she has some physical condition we are unaware of.

She was someone who had just finished school, put on a show court for a fourth round match at Wimbledon, in front of a prime time TV audience. Instead of dismissing McEnroe, who has decades of experience, perhaps have a listen as to what he has to say. He has seen it all before.




Bonefish Blues

26,826 posts

224 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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Anne Keothavong was very careful to skirt around it and 'wait for the official announcement' on R4 this morning.

Seems clear that it was some sort of stress-induced episode - and if so, not exactly unforeseeable, given, aiui, she's never been away from family (LTA having moved a coach to live near her, I understand, so she could stay at home), and was living in a Bubble at the players' hotel, and in particular had to wait some hours for her game to begin.

I'm sure she'll be fine with the right support smile

JagLover

42,451 posts

236 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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Bonefish Blues said:
Anne Keothavong was very careful to skirt around it and 'wait for the official announcement' on R4 this morning.

Seems clear that it was some sort of stress-induced episode - and if so, not exactly unforeseeable, given, aiui, she's never been away from family (LTA having moved a coach to live near her, I understand, so she could stay at home), and was living in a Bubble at the players' hotel, and in particular had to wait some hours for her game to begin.

I'm sure she'll be fine with the right support smile
You have to bear in mind it is a different era for the women's game these days.

The top players used to start far younger so they had lots of experience under their belt by the time they started making the big time. Martina Hingis for example started on the main tour when she had just turned 14. She was a grand slam contender at 16, but already had two years experience by that time.

It is likely nothing that match play and the right coach won't fix IMO.

coppernorks

1,919 posts

47 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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A set down and 3.0 down in the second set ?

A cynical person would think that savvy Emma realised she was well scunnered and
needed a medical based exit strategy to garner sympathy.

I couldn't possibly comment.

JagLover

42,451 posts

236 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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coppernorks said:
A set down and 3.0 down in the second set ?

A cynical person would think that savvy Emma realised she was well scunnered and
needed a medical based exit strategy to garner sympathy.

I couldn't possibly comment.
I think that is unfair.

An anxiety attack is no joke and the last place you would likely want to be is a tennis court in front of a worldwide audience when you are having it.

The crowd are also not going to be getting their money's worth if she were unable to play properly.

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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In a non team sport, there is no where to hide.

She is young and all that sudden pressure could quite understandably overwhelm a young person not used to the pressure.

A lesson to be learnt for the tennis organisation in preparing youngsters for such an eventuality.

Hope she comes back from this.

joshleb

1,544 posts

145 months

Tuesday 6th July 2021
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Such a tough position to be in, no-one was expecting her together out the first round and then she's billed as British tennis' next hope!

Even after the game Clare Balding and co were talking about US Open wildcard and everything, McEnroe seemed to be the only sensible voice there I thought.

Hope she's allowed some space and continue through the tournaments at the level that recognises her ranking etc. If she's good enough, she'll get the points needed for the direct tour invite.

Blackpuddin

16,563 posts

206 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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Blackpuddin said:
Berrettini is second favourite at 10/1 to win the tournament (Djoko is 5/9) and looks like good value at that.
Berrettini now showing at 6/1 on Bet365.

North West Tom

11,529 posts

178 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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I got Djokovic at 1/1, before Rafa and Thiem withdrew and before Tsitsipas got knocked out. Since then been betting pennies on his opponents which mould make up the difference if he lost!

Blackpuddin

16,563 posts

206 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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I got £20 on Berrettini at 10/1. Probably an egg on face comment but I've got a very funny feeling something odd is going to happen in the Djoko/Fuscovics match, like a 5-set win for the Hungarian.

Challo

10,169 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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JagLover said:
coppernorks said:
A set down and 3.0 down in the second set ?

A cynical person would think that savvy Emma realised she was well scunnered and
needed a medical based exit strategy to garner sympathy.

I couldn't possibly comment.
I think that is unfair.

An anxiety attack is no joke and the last place you would likely want to be is a tennis court in front of a worldwide audience when you are having it.

The crowd are also not going to be getting their money's worth if she were unable to play properly.
Exactly. if you saw the match live, you could see her visibly upset and sobbing in her chair. Obviously it was some kind of anxiety attack and was unable to continue.

McGee_22

6,727 posts

180 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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Just listening to Inverdale spouting nonsense again on the Beeb and asking whether anyone ever will win 20 Grand Slams again - my wife and I quickly worked out that it would be relatively easy for someone really good to win 20 if they were the only one that is that much better - what is incredible is that three players in the same era have got 20 each - ok, Djoker has 19 but would anyone put money on him not getting 20?

It set me off looking at the records and since 2004 only 5 Mens Singles Grand Slams have been won by anyone other than Rog, Raf, Djoker, Andy and Stan... and Andy and Stan have only 3 each - the other 5 winners were single title winners only.

Roguexcess

156 posts

49 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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Emma is smoking hot, makes watching WTA fun again. Looking forward for future matches

cuprabob

14,677 posts

215 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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McGee_22 said:
Just listening to Inverdale spouting nonsense again on the Beeb...
Yes, I heard that but in my opinion nobody speaks more nonsense than Andrew Castle.

Baron Greenback

6,999 posts

151 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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Very odd game the Federer v Hurkacxz! Fed timing or something isnt just right.

McGee_22

6,727 posts

180 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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Baron Greenback said:
Very odd game the Federer v Hurkacxz! Fed timing or something isnt just right.
You're spot on - huge numbers of unforced errors from as you suggest, poor timing.

ferrisbueller

29,343 posts

228 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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Federer is in all sorts of bother here.

mattyn1

5,772 posts

156 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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ferrisbueller said:
Federer is in all sorts of bother here.
I have always said he will never come to much!

joshleb

1,544 posts

145 months

Wednesday 7th July 2021
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Is this the actual beginning of the end for Fed?

Amazing career, but at 39 now is this his last hoorah?