The Tennis Thread

The Tennis Thread

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Jetl3on

1,409 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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pablo said:
Jetl3on said:
Good question, why aren't the crowd allowed to make noise? Tennis, golf, silence, yet most other sports your allowed to raise the roof.
I guess because if i shout something every time one of them is serving or teeing off, its not going to take long before the shouting influences their performance and ultiamtely the game and no one wants to see that. instead of it being about the better sportsman, it becomes a contest between the fans as to who can better disrupt the opponent.

i cant think of any solo game where its acceptable to shout during play.


Hmm...Im not sure. My theory is tradition, these were 'gentleman' sports, played by the rich and famous, to be seen shouting raucously is unheard of, considered uncouth and unladylike.

Imagine what the atmosphere would have been like in the Olympic Stadium, no banners, no noise, just polite conversation and wrist tapping. Noise didnt put Chris Hoy or Ennis off winning, it motivates, so why should it Murray and Rory, as a Pro you just get used to it.

chippy17

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3,740 posts

242 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Jetl3on said:
chippy17 said:
Jetl3on said:
Is there a big problem with drugs in Tennis?
why do you think Nadal happens to be 'injured' for almost exactly 6 months! smile

not big but there have been issues in the past
Really? Like who? Your joking about Nadal right? You better be, My son will be devastated.
I am sure it is not true but it is doing the rounds of world tennis forums, they are cynically questioning his injury but it is just gossip

chippy17

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3,740 posts

242 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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JNW1 said:
Well done to Djokovic but Federer must be kicking himself as he ought probably to have won in straight sets rather than losing without winning one! He had the upper hand all the way through the 2nd set but when he failed to serve it out from 40-15 up at 5-4 it all felt very similar to the US Open semi back in 2011; there was no magic return of serve from the Djoker to ignite the comeback this time but once Fed failed to serve out the set you felt that was it and sure enough he didn't win another game.

Probably fitting that the number one player in the world lifted the trophy but as a Fed fan disappointed he didn't manage to do it. However, the match was a good illustration of there being a very fine dividing line between winning and losing at that level; if literally two or three points had gone the other way at the business end of each set the result would have been completely different!
a great match and like you I am a Fed fan so was rooting for him but Djoker is just such a mental beast, he never lets up and deservedly won but it was sooo close, I think Fed actaully won more points in the first set

it was Fed's serve that let him down, in all the crucial games and moments his serve deserted him, I think he will be gutted to not win this one

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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Jetl3on said:
pablo said:
Jetl3on said:
Good question, why aren't the crowd allowed to make noise? Tennis, golf, silence, yet most other sports your allowed to raise the roof.
I guess because if i shout something every time one of them is serving or teeing off, its not going to take long before the shouting influences their performance and ultiamtely the game and no one wants to see that. instead of it being about the better sportsman, it becomes a contest between the fans as to who can better disrupt the opponent.

i cant think of any solo game where its acceptable to shout during play.


Hmm...Im not sure. My theory is tradition, these were 'gentleman' sports, played by the rich and famous, to be seen shouting raucously is unheard of, considered uncouth and unladylike.

Imagine what the atmosphere would have been like in the Olympic Stadium, no banners, no noise, just polite conversation and wrist tapping. Noise didnt put Chris Hoy or Ennis off winning, it motivates, so why should it Murray and Rory, as a Pro you just get used to it.
becuase its a sign of respect, for the same reason that people dont cheer during the middle of an act in the theatre. you wait for an appropriate place to show your appreciation. if people can not sit quiet for less than 15 seconds then quite frankly they shouldnt be allowed at public events.

Some sports lend themselves to supporters cheering, others do not. yes its ok to cheer halfway through a track cycling race for the same reason that its ok to cheer at football matches, the game is underway and you cheering is hugely unlikely to affect the outcome.

At any athletics meet, the start of a race is silent, or when someone is preparing to jump, its normally quiet unless they want your support where they will indicate accordingly and start a rhythm by clapping, some do, others dont.



JNW1

7,696 posts

193 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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chippy17 said:
a great match and like you I am a Fed fan so was rooting for him but Djoker is just such a mental beast, he never lets up and deservedly won but it was sooo close, I think Fed actaully won more points in the first set

it was Fed's serve that let him down, in all the crucial games and moments his serve deserted him, I think he will be gutted to not win this one
Agree with your point on the Federer serve, unusually for him he just couldn't find a good first delivery when it really mattered. He was very close to going 4-0 up in the first set and had he done so I think he'd have won that set; however, one break is always dangerous with Djokovic as your level only needs to drop slightly on one service game and he'll take advantage (which he did!).

Across the match I think Novak won one more point than Roger which shows how close it was; a couple of points the other way in the first set tie-break and converting one of those set points at 5-4 in the second and Fed would have won!

psgcarey

611 posts

161 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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ascayman said:
There is so much nonsense in that thread it reads like one from the David Ike forum.
Oh you have no idea.

If you ever need a forum to prove the fact that differences of opinion are not allowed on the internet this is the place.

Jetl3on

1,409 posts

195 months

Tuesday 13th November 2012
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pablo said:
becuase its a sign of respect, for the same reason that people dont cheer during the middle of an act in the theatre. you wait for an appropriate place to show your appreciation. if people can not sit quiet for less than 15 seconds then quite frankly they shouldnt be allowed at public events.

Some sports lend themselves to supporters cheering, others do not. yes its ok to cheer halfway through a track cycling race for the same reason that its ok to cheer at football matches, the game is underway and you cheering is hugely unlikely to affect the outcome.

At any athletics meet, the start of a race is silent, or when someone is preparing to jump, its normally quiet unless they want your support where they will indicate accordingly and start a rhythm by clapping, some do, others dont.
Eh? You cant compare sport to Theatre, thats madness, 2 entirely different fields and one's mindset.

Sticking with the subject, just to be clear I am talking about cheering your preferred player, not ridiculing the opponent.

Penalty takers are put under huge pressure from opposing fans, but they learnt that from an early age, as most penalties are scored. At the Olympics, runners, jumpers, throwers, team sports, the audience were encouraged to make as much noise as possible, as it gave the athletes encouragement. You are right that some sports lend themselves better to audience participation, such as snooker or darts where minuscule hand shake can make a huge difference, but Tennis? Roger Federer is a classic example, nothing fazes that man, he is like a robot on court, no emotion whatsoever. A little cheering wont faze him one iota.

chippy17

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3,740 posts

242 months

Wednesday 14th November 2012
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Jetl3on said:
pablo said:
becuase its a sign of respect, for the same reason that people dont cheer during the middle of an act in the theatre. you wait for an appropriate place to show your appreciation. if people can not sit quiet for less than 15 seconds then quite frankly they shouldnt be allowed at public events.

Some sports lend themselves to supporters cheering, others do not. yes its ok to cheer halfway through a track cycling race for the same reason that its ok to cheer at football matches, the game is underway and you cheering is hugely unlikely to affect the outcome.

At any athletics meet, the start of a race is silent, or when someone is preparing to jump, its normally quiet unless they want your support where they will indicate accordingly and start a rhythm by clapping, some do, others dont.
Eh? You cant compare sport to Theatre, thats madness, 2 entirely different fields and one's mindset.

Sticking with the subject, just to be clear I am talking about cheering your preferred player, not ridiculing the opponent.

Penalty takers are put under huge pressure from opposing fans, but they learnt that from an early age, as most penalties are scored. At the Olympics, runners, jumpers, throwers, team sports, the audience were encouraged to make as much noise as possible, as it gave the athletes encouragement. You are right that some sports lend themselves better to audience participation, such as snooker or darts where minuscule hand shake can make a huge difference, but Tennis? Roger Federer is a classic example, nothing fazes that man, he is like a robot on court, no emotion whatsoever. A little cheering wont faze him one iota.
it does occasionally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd_ISSzxyZk





Edited by chippy17 on Wednesday 14th November 09:39

Jetl3on

1,409 posts

195 months

Monday 17th December 2012
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Definitely Rafa can come back, he took the sensible approach and stayed out till he is fully fit again, plus the top 3 keep beating themselves up, with noone dominating as such, so he can chuck his wand into the fray. Who is Joker and Potty?

Jetl3on

1,409 posts

195 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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anonymous said:
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Nope, no idea.

Jetl3on

1,409 posts

195 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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Thats a stupid thing to say and an ignorant response to a genuine question, since when did having a discussion on Tennis and what to expect in 2013 depend upon one's knowledge of a persons nickname.

Forget I asked.


chippy17

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3,740 posts

242 months

Tuesday 18th December 2012
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calm down everyone

but never heard him called Potty before, assuming I am even thinking of the right person, DelPo yes Potty never

oh and he is commonly refered to as Djoker NOT Joker:

http://www.nickhess.com/portfolio/the-djoker/


are you making these up?!


JNW1

7,696 posts

193 months

Thursday 20th December 2012
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Away from nicknames and back to the subject of 2013, I really do think this is Andy Murray's real chance to step up and become the top player in the men's game. I think we've now seen the best of Federer (still fantastic when playing well but now has more off-days than he used to) and I'm not convinced Nadal will ever be quite the player he was following all his injury problems. Djokovic will be tough to beat but I don't think he'll ever repeat the year he had in 2011 and he was certainly more vulnerable in 2012 (all things being relative of course!). Therefore, with Murray continuing to improve steadily while the rest of the top four tread water or go backwards, I really think 2013 is a year of opportunity for him. Only time will tell but now he's got the monkey off his back by winning his first Grand Slam I really think he'll go on to win more and I'd be surprised if he didn't add at least another one in 2013.

Del Potro looks the most likely to challenge the top four on a regular basis and it's nice to see him back after a lengthy time off following wrist surgery. However, I don't see him finishing next year in the top four unless one of the players who's there already has their season wrecked by injury!

chippy17

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3,740 posts

242 months

Thursday 20th December 2012
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anonymous said:
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I was just teasing

chippy17

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3,740 posts

242 months

Thursday 20th December 2012
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JNW1 said:
Away from nicknames and back to the subject of 2013, I really do think this is Andy Murray's real chance to step up and become the top player in the men's game. I think we've now seen the best of Federer (still fantastic when playing well but now has more off-days than he used to) and I'm not convinced Nadal will ever be quite the player he was following all his injury problems. Djokovic will be tough to beat but I don't think he'll ever repeat the year he had in 2011 and he was certainly more vulnerable in 2012 (all things being relative of course!). Therefore, with Murray continuing to improve steadily while the rest of the top four tread water or go backwards, I really think 2013 is a year of opportunity for him. Only time will tell but now he's got the monkey off his back by winning his first Grand Slam I really think he'll go on to win more and I'd be surprised if he didn't add at least another one in 2013.

Del Potro looks the most likely to challenge the top four on a regular basis and it's nice to see him back after a lengthy time off following wrist surgery. However, I don't see him finishing next year in the top four unless one of the players who's there already has their season wrecked by injury!
didn't you say Fed would never win another slam over a year ago!?

I can see it being Murray's year next year and into 2014 but I think we will have to wait until Aus to see how Nadal is, I think after Aus you will have a good idea who is going to be up for it, although I find Aus the most boring slam due to the speed of the court, personally I do not want to see another 20hr final

I think djoker will be well up there and will play like he did in 2012, would like to see him knock Nadal off his FO perch

I agree I can really only see Del Potro being a challenge next year, i hope he does it as he is one of my favourite players and seems like a good bloke

JNW1

7,696 posts

193 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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chippy17 said:
didn't you say Fed would never win another slam over a year ago!?
I didn't think he had another one in him but, as a confirmed Federer fan, I was delighted to be proved wrong! He now has the luxury of being able to play fewer tournaments than the other top players and it may be that that allows him to arrive a little bit fresher at the Grand Slams (in which case he will certainly be a threat). I actually believe that at his best he still hits the ball better than anyone but the question is how often can he produce his best tennis? My feeling is not often enough to get back to number 1 and probably not often enough over 5 sets to win another GS either. However, I was wrong last year and will be happy to eat another helping of humble pie if this time next year he's got another GS under his belt!

Jetl3on

1,409 posts

195 months

Sunday 23rd December 2012
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I have watched alot of junior tennis the past year, Queen's club, Dukes, VA and it never ceases to amaze me how polite everyone is, players apologising for a winning shot, complimenting opponents when losing, the elation of winning subdued so as not to embarass the loser and the importance of fairplay.

Tennis is a gentleman's game, but you Sir, have none of those qualities, I have never heard the term Joker before, but rather than explain you go for sarcasm and ridicule calling me difficult, comments befitting the football forum, you must be very proud.

Merry Christmas.

psgcarey

611 posts

161 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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2013 tennis season starts tomorrow.

Murray defending his Brisbane title, and Nadal out of AO, which will drop him out of the top four.

psgcarey

611 posts

161 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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anonymous said:
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That was just Murray fattening his wallet at an exhibition match. Turn up, lose, pocket big check, bugger off having expended zero effort.

psgcarey

611 posts

161 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Brisbane is his warm up tournament, though. I think you'll see a very different Murray this week.

It's not actually that unusual for top players to suffer a "shock" loss in a warm-up tournament. Get to the semis then tank for the extra few days rest before a more meaningful tournament.

It would be nice to think that all the players try 100% all the time, but I don't believe they do.