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creampuff said:
SHOTGUN CHOKE KEYS
I'm new to shotguns. Will any shotgun choke key work on any choke on any gun? Is there a universal key I can use?
No you might get lucky but they can vary considerably - I have a Kemen and a Browning both with chokes and the keys are not at all interchangeable.I'm new to shotguns. Will any shotgun choke key work on any choke on any gun? Is there a universal key I can use?
Choke key - my twopenneth:
By a choke key to suit the choke make. If it is he same as the shotgun, no problem.
If you have special chokes, like Teague, buy the right key.
Keys are generally made of composite plastic, they will give way before the choke or barrel is fubared.
If a choke is stuck fast, hot air from a hair dyer should expand the barrel sufficient to move it. Use penetrating oil first.
If that does not work, take it to a competent gunsmith.
By a choke key to suit the choke make. If it is he same as the shotgun, no problem.
If you have special chokes, like Teague, buy the right key.
Keys are generally made of composite plastic, they will give way before the choke or barrel is fubared.
If a choke is stuck fast, hot air from a hair dyer should expand the barrel sufficient to move it. Use penetrating oil first.
If that does not work, take it to a competent gunsmith.
Timbuktu said:
AstonZagato said:
Peltor electronic ones are excellent. Not cheap (put your name/mobile on them with a Sharpie - they go walkies). The advantage is that one hears the bird flushing / trap firing with enough clarity to be able to look in the right direction.
Yep - standing on your peg you will hear the dogs rustling through the bushes, the squawk of the pheasant and it flapping towards you long before you see it!You can also eavesdrop on people about 50m away that you would not be able to hear talking. And have a normal conversation with people without taking them off.
They do take a bit of getting used to but I'd never go back to non electric now. Mine are MSA Supreme Pro-X waterproof, they're £200+ but definitely worth it I would say. Plus they keep your ears warm!
Never once fouled the stock with them as some people claim they do.
I have quite a few different pairs of electronic ear defenders as I often take friends and family shooting who don't have any gear, and they are head and shoulders above most of the other ear protectors out there.
I would never go back to non-electronic hearing protection now. It's just too good.
Turn7 said:
I always take my chokes out and regularly clean and lube them, heard some horror stories about seized chokes.
I've bought a relatively obscure brand low-end o/u used shotgun. Hasn't been fired in 5 years. Haven't tried to get the chokes out yet, don't have choke key, don't have spare chokes. But the gun was cheap!creampuff said:
Pesty said:
New toy
Nice. What is it?I have an as yet unfilled slot on my ticket for a 357 rifle. Rejected Henrys as they are too heavy although they look beautiful, which leaves Rossi underlevers in the new dept or wait until something nice used turns up.
aeropilot said:
Rossi are a lot lighter, but they are OK. My mate's missus shoots a stainless steel Rossi in .357, with the heavy octagonal 20" barrel, and its a nice gun to use. Needs slicking up a little though IMHO, but she's not put enough rounds through it yet. My mate has a Henry in .357, and while yes, they are heavy, they are nice to shoot, very accurate. I just don't like the tube loading, I much prefer the side gate loading. I also prefer a bigger calibre as well, much easier to load through the side gate with a .44 or .45 than the .357.
I've picked up a Henry Big Boy (fnarr fnarr) and they are almost too nice. I'm not sure I'd enjoy it. The wood and metal work is a work of art, so much so that I'd be afraid to use it incase it got marked. Plus it is a bit heavy and I prefer light easy to handle guns, esp if it is a fast shooting lever action. So erring towards a Rossi or something second hand. If a genuine Winchester 92 turns up (which would be pretty old as I think they stopped making them in the 1930s) then that might be a good one. creampuff said:
aeropilot said:
Rossi are a lot lighter, but they are OK. My mate's missus shoots a stainless steel Rossi in .357, with the heavy octagonal 20" barrel, and its a nice gun to use. Needs slicking up a little though IMHO, but she's not put enough rounds through it yet. My mate has a Henry in .357, and while yes, they are heavy, they are nice to shoot, very accurate. I just don't like the tube loading, I much prefer the side gate loading. I also prefer a bigger calibre as well, much easier to load through the side gate with a .44 or .45 than the .357.
I've picked up a Henry Big Boy (fnarr fnarr) and they are almost too nice. I'm not sure I'd enjoy it. The wood and metal work is a work of art, so much so that I'd be afraid to use it incase it got marked. Plus it is a bit heavy and I prefer light easy to handle guns, esp if it is a fast shooting lever action. So erring towards a Rossi or something second hand. If a genuine Winchester 92 turns up (which would be pretty old as I think they stopped making them in the 1930s) then that might be a good one. The '73 action is butter smooth, and with a short-stroke kit fitted, there's nothing better IMHO....but I'm biased as I have a Uberti '73.
I tried Marlins, Winchesters, Chippia's, Henry's, Rossi's and Uberti's and I bought a Uberti.
Thanks for all of the recommendations for MSA Sordin ear defenders...used throughout the simulated game day yesterday and they were fantastic. Very comfortable (gel cups) and the ability to hear the traps, the banter and all of the noises was fantastic.
My 11 year old came with me and was given permission to shoot one drive (he's very responsible, very experienced in other shooting sports and was VERY closely supervised)...managed to hit a midi with a .410 with his first ever shot with a shotgun. Proceeded to hit about 20% of what he shot at and even managed to poach a bird from the peg next door. Needless to say, he's now asking "when can we go again".
Great fun and thanks again for the advice as the Sordin's really helped our enjoyment of the day, as we were able to hear and communicate so much more easily.
My 11 year old came with me and was given permission to shoot one drive (he's very responsible, very experienced in other shooting sports and was VERY closely supervised)...managed to hit a midi with a .410 with his first ever shot with a shotgun. Proceeded to hit about 20% of what he shot at and even managed to poach a bird from the peg next door. Needless to say, he's now asking "when can we go again".
Great fun and thanks again for the advice as the Sordin's really helped our enjoyment of the day, as we were able to hear and communicate so much more easily.
creampuff said:
Pesty said:
New toy
Nice. What is it?I have an as yet unfilled slot on my ticket for a 357 rifle. Rejected Henrys as they are too heavy although they look beautiful, which leaves Rossi underlevers in the new dept or wait until something nice used turns up.
mat from preston said:
Lovely, 45-70?
Yes 45-70Marlin 1895SBL .45-70 guide gun
Have you tried the steel henries ? H101 or something not much heavyier than a Rossi
I love my .44 Rossi. It's very light and never put a foot wrong I was firing around 120 rounds a week through it. Start g to smooth up not the most accurate though but a lot of fun. 11 rounds of 44 on tap.
I have heard anecdotally that they don't work so well in .357 but not had first hand experience can only tell you .44 works perfectly.
I was looking for the rio grand version in 45/70 but they stopped making them. Too many problems.
Tried to buy a Henry locally but they kept saying their supplier couldn't get them anymore saw that in a wall in a stand at the northern shooting show and though ball to it
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 9th May 16:12
Pesty said:
I have heard anecdotally that they don't work so well in .357 but not had first hand experience can only tell you .44 works perfectly.
The issue is the mag tube is not specific to .357 as I understand it, its the same as in the larger .44/.45 sizes, so this is where the issue is. The rounds can be 'zig-zagged' in the mag tube. Some of the aftermarket suppliers in the USA make a S/S sleeve insert to go in the mag tube to alleviate this issue IIRC.Having said that, my mate missus hasn't had too many issues with hers, but she doesn't shoot it that much though. I've used a .45LC Rossi in the USA, and that was a lot easier to load the gate than trying to stuff .38SPL or .357 into my friends Rossi when I've had a go at that. Have experienced misfeeds in hers as well on a couple of occasions, but never did in the .45 version in the USA.........which does perhaps point to the mag tube issue as being true?
A guy in our club has just bought a matt finished stainless steel Chiappa Alaskan Takedown in .44 and that was quite impressive, if a little un-traditional, but its designed for a purpose which isn't really UK range work.
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