The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters
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chemistry said:
Great stuff; what (three) guns have you got in mind?
Beretta Silver Pigeon, a SBS, possibly an older Aya, and something old which needs the stock refinishing that I can tinker with. I am liking the look of your acquisition though, I might see what they have to play with at the shooting school.
SlimRick said:
My SGC grant application went in just over a week ago. I've been advised by the Wilts FEO that it should take between 12 - 14 weeks to process.
My Mrs has had her SGC grant in process by Lincs police since May and she hasn't had a visit yet! She has bought a lovely Browning 325 20G though. 
Just been reading about the proposals coming for new Section 5 laws.
Firearms that "might" now fall into s.5 are:
.50
Lever Release
MARS
Under Lever
Semi-automatic
Shocking really. I see no justification in these changes.
Its looking like HMG want shotguns and bolt action only. I really do hope the shooting community kick up a fuss but honestly I don't see it. At my club bench rest, CSR and military are the biggest groups and I know for a fact there is a "them" and "us" situation when it comes to mini rifle, tactical rifle etc.
I have a feeling that semi-automatic will survive but the proposal just says "certain rapid fire rifles". I cant see how you can ban lever release and not semi-automatic.
Thoroughly disgusted and the sad part is 99% of the general population will think its a good thing.
Firearms that "might" now fall into s.5 are:
.50
Lever Release
MARS
Under Lever
Semi-automatic
Shocking really. I see no justification in these changes.
Its looking like HMG want shotguns and bolt action only. I really do hope the shooting community kick up a fuss but honestly I don't see it. At my club bench rest, CSR and military are the biggest groups and I know for a fact there is a "them" and "us" situation when it comes to mini rifle, tactical rifle etc.
I have a feeling that semi-automatic will survive but the proposal just says "certain rapid fire rifles". I cant see how you can ban lever release and not semi-automatic.
Thoroughly disgusted and the sad part is 99% of the general population will think its a good thing.
red_slr said:
Just been reading about the proposals coming for new Section 5 laws.
Firearms that "might" now fall into s.5 are:
.50
Lever Release
MARS
Under Lever
Semi-automatic
Shocking really. I see no justification in these changes.
Its looking like HMG want shotguns and bolt action only. I really do hope the shooting community kick up a fuss but honestly I don't see it. At my club bench rest, CSR and military are the biggest groups and I know for a fact there is a "them" and "us" situation when it comes to mini rifle, tactical rifle etc.
I have a feeling that semi-automatic will survive but the proposal just says "certain rapid fire rifles". I cant see how you can ban lever release and not semi-automatic.
Thoroughly disgusted and the sad part is 99% of the general population will think its a good thing.
At the moment no one knows what their definition of 'certain rapid fire rifles' means, which is typical of Govt.Firearms that "might" now fall into s.5 are:
.50
Lever Release
MARS
Under Lever
Semi-automatic
Shocking really. I see no justification in these changes.
Its looking like HMG want shotguns and bolt action only. I really do hope the shooting community kick up a fuss but honestly I don't see it. At my club bench rest, CSR and military are the biggest groups and I know for a fact there is a "them" and "us" situation when it comes to mini rifle, tactical rifle etc.
I have a feeling that semi-automatic will survive but the proposal just says "certain rapid fire rifles". I cant see how you can ban lever release and not semi-automatic.
Thoroughly disgusted and the sad part is 99% of the general population will think its a good thing.
From what I've read the suspicion is obviously MARS and lever-release, which we know have been a 'target' for a while.
Quite why .50cal is on the list is a mystery, but then every decision made by Govt. is a feckin mystery to me!
I've not seen anything that indicates lever-action, straight-pull or even .22RF semi-auto being mentioned...or hinted at being moved to Sect 5...?
And given the percentage of FAC holders is about 0.25% of the population, I'd say 99.75% of the UK population will think it a good thing.
Sadly, the UK associations will roll-over and let it (whatever it ends up being) happen, as UK shooting is far too fractured within itself to have a 'one voice' across all disciplines.
Interesting. Typically speaking are rule changes retrospectively applied or just for "new entrants" past the date of the law changes.
So for example if I own a pistol caliber under-lever rifle for bench-rest / gallery now would I be able to use it after the law changes or would I be forced to scrap it / amnesty it?
I don't own anything currently but am looking to submit my FAC and was considering a larger caliber than just .22 to mix things up a bit in the gallery
Cheers in advance
So for example if I own a pistol caliber under-lever rifle for bench-rest / gallery now would I be able to use it after the law changes or would I be forced to scrap it / amnesty it?
I don't own anything currently but am looking to submit my FAC and was considering a larger caliber than just .22 to mix things up a bit in the gallery
Cheers in advance
Edited by Mannginger on Monday 9th October 10:16
Mannginger said:
Interesting. Typically speaking are rule changes retrospectively applied or just for "new entrants" past the date of the law changes.
So for example if I own a pistol caliber under leaver rifle for bench-rest / gallery now would I be able to use it after the law changes or would I be forced to scrap it / amnesty it?
I don't own anything currently but am looking to submit my FAC and was considering a larger caliber than just .22 to mix things up a bit in the gallery
Cheers in advance
I wouldn't be worrying even before you've put in for your FAC (unless you had intended to apply for a MARS, lever-release or .50cal slot) and even then, apart from .50 cal, we don't yet know exactly what 'certain rapid fire' means.So for example if I own a pistol caliber under leaver rifle for bench-rest / gallery now would I be able to use it after the law changes or would I be forced to scrap it / amnesty it?
I don't own anything currently but am looking to submit my FAC and was considering a larger caliber than just .22 to mix things up a bit in the gallery
Cheers in advance
Depending on how far way you are from making the application, and how long your Police Force takes to process the app, I would carry on as planned at the moment.
There have been consultations like this before which came to nothing.
The best thing to do is carry on as usual and don't listen to anyone who thinks they know what's going to happen, because at this stage the Home Office can only talk about what they might like to do. Nothing is decided yet.
The best thing we can all do is stand united as firearm and shotgun owners and resist any further restrictions to what the Government think we can be 'trusted' with.
Sadly, as always, I am still seeing the same divisions within the shooting community we have suffered for the last 30+ years.
There are some who won't be happy until the only guns we are allowed to own are the ones THEY own. They're the ones we should really worry about, especially if they have any influence on Home Office consultations.
The best thing to do is carry on as usual and don't listen to anyone who thinks they know what's going to happen, because at this stage the Home Office can only talk about what they might like to do. Nothing is decided yet.
The best thing we can all do is stand united as firearm and shotgun owners and resist any further restrictions to what the Government think we can be 'trusted' with.
Sadly, as always, I am still seeing the same divisions within the shooting community we have suffered for the last 30+ years.
There are some who won't be happy until the only guns we are allowed to own are the ones THEY own. They're the ones we should really worry about, especially if they have any influence on Home Office consultations.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Sadly, as always, I am still seeing the same divisions within the shooting community we have suffered for the last 30+ years.
There are some who won't be happy until the only guns we are allowed to own are the ones THEY own. They're the ones we should really worry about, especially if they have any influence on Home Office consultations.
Indeed.There are some who won't be happy until the only guns we are allowed to own are the ones THEY own. They're the ones we should really worry about, especially if they have any influence on Home Office consultations.
You only have to see the drivel and crap spouted by that idiot Yardley to see the problems faced.
red_slr said:
Interesting that it only appears to be the MARS - and not lever release as well, so why didn't they just say that originally, and not used an ambiguous phrase.....bloody typical Civil Service idiocy!!Mannginger said:
That last paragraph on knives is such a weird addition, that legislation is to limit teenagers / gang members getting hold of knives, why would they voluntarily link that to this statement?
Because this is what this legislation amendment was all about, but suddenly, without notice they have tried to slip in the .50cal and MARS being moved to Sect5 as part of it at the same time under the radar probably in the hope no one would notice.......I know its a total joke really. Have they seen the cost of setting up a 50 cal? Talking a lot of money, you have to be pretty dedicated to shoot that kind of stuff. They might as well ban Holland and Holland shotguns whilst they are at it, I am sure loads of banks get robbed with those...
I have no intention of ever shooting 50 cal but I see zero reason to ban them. Same for MARS, I have no intention of getting one but I see no risk to the public. Like at all!
I have no intention of ever shooting 50 cal but I see zero reason to ban them. Same for MARS, I have no intention of getting one but I see no risk to the public. Like at all!
An update from meeting with Home Office and BASC and NRA. FCSA chairman put points forward.
The issue surrounding the .50 cal has apparently come from the theft of a 50 from an RFD. Fully functional with bolt. (note RFD not civvy!!)
The HO also concerned about anti material ammunition. The BASC and NRA put forward suggestions to mitigate both these problems. They also pointed out the cost to access this type of firearm is very very high and people have large sums invested. From the sounds of it the Home Office are not interested.
Its looking like any firearm with a muzzle energy over 10k ft/lb is going to be banned from 1st Jan 2018. That could impact more than just 50.
It has also come out in the wash that "at least one" police force is now not issuing new FACs or variations over 300 win mag. So there is already a snow ball effect, this is not just 50 cal.
Lever release was discussed and the only comment from the NRA was that "they really don't like lever release" which to me is the worst case outcome as its likely it wont just be MARS but this could well include other types. The consultation period is likely to be very short. Law is expected to be enacted on 1st Jan.
Its a real shame that its come to this, but the FSCA are submitting independent tests to the Home Office surrounding 50 ball ammunition to try and demonstrate it has no anti material use.
What concerns me is the update whilst in depth did not really touch on lever release or defining what is "rapid fire". It seems to me they (BASC etal) are perhaps allowing that issue to slide whilst protecting the boys with the 50s.
The issue surrounding the .50 cal has apparently come from the theft of a 50 from an RFD. Fully functional with bolt. (note RFD not civvy!!)
The HO also concerned about anti material ammunition. The BASC and NRA put forward suggestions to mitigate both these problems. They also pointed out the cost to access this type of firearm is very very high and people have large sums invested. From the sounds of it the Home Office are not interested.
Its looking like any firearm with a muzzle energy over 10k ft/lb is going to be banned from 1st Jan 2018. That could impact more than just 50.
It has also come out in the wash that "at least one" police force is now not issuing new FACs or variations over 300 win mag. So there is already a snow ball effect, this is not just 50 cal.
Lever release was discussed and the only comment from the NRA was that "they really don't like lever release" which to me is the worst case outcome as its likely it wont just be MARS but this could well include other types. The consultation period is likely to be very short. Law is expected to be enacted on 1st Jan.
Its a real shame that its come to this, but the FSCA are submitting independent tests to the Home Office surrounding 50 ball ammunition to try and demonstrate it has no anti material use.
What concerns me is the update whilst in depth did not really touch on lever release or defining what is "rapid fire". It seems to me they (BASC etal) are perhaps allowing that issue to slide whilst protecting the boys with the 50s.
red_slr said:
An update from meeting with Home Office and BASC and NRA. FCSA chairman put points forward.
The consultation period is likely to be very short.
and will consist of several disinterested people sitting together with their fingers in their ears singing LA LA LA very loudly whilst ignoring any valid arguments as to why further bans are pointless. Safe in the knowledge that Joe Public knows that all guns are bad and will fully support the chipping away of yet another little piece of our hobby in return for no increase in public safety.The consultation period is likely to be very short.
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