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aeropilot said:
Looks new...?
If so, could be one of the last, given Remington have recently filed for bankruptcy.
Yes its a late 2017 Remlin. Was a bit worried about quality and fit and finish as some of the stuff I have seen was inexcusable IMHO but its fine and whilst not cheap the Cow Boy does look the part. I looked at a used Henry but it was a bit more heavy and not a fan of the "fishing pole". I might try and get another slot for one at some point though as a big boy in brass is just nice to look at If so, could be one of the last, given Remington have recently filed for bankruptcy.
red_slr said:
aeropilot said:
Looks new...?
If so, could be one of the last, given Remington have recently filed for bankruptcy.
Yes its a late 2017 Remlin. Was a bit worried about quality and fit and finish as some of the stuff I have seen was inexcusable IMHO but its fine and whilst not cheap the Cow Boy does look the part. I looked at a used Henry but it was a bit more heavy and not a fan of the "fishing pole". I might try and get another slot for one at some point though as a big boy in brass is just nice to look at If so, could be one of the last, given Remington have recently filed for bankruptcy.
Slick as snot, and beautifully made.
The email just said the home office don't allow them to let anyone shoot at all unless a member of the club, regardless.
Had an email about the other option thank you. It's literally just somewhere to occasionally sit out of the wind perhaps and check accuracy /zero of my hmr. I can shoot at upto 200 yards on one of my permissions but it tends to be open and wind affected a lot there.
.22 rimfire is no problem I just zero it at 50 and never touch it again tbh as it only ever gets used to about 80 yards on rabbits and squirrels.
Had an email about the other option thank you. It's literally just somewhere to occasionally sit out of the wind perhaps and check accuracy /zero of my hmr. I can shoot at upto 200 yards on one of my permissions but it tends to be open and wind affected a lot there.
.22 rimfire is no problem I just zero it at 50 and never touch it again tbh as it only ever gets used to about 80 yards on rabbits and squirrels.
Hoppum said:
A & A Gunsmiths in Gt Yarmouth are a good shout if you want a cowboy action, they carry out a lot of action smoothing and short stroke work.
My Uberti 1873 will be going to them in a few months times for an action job, along with a fellow club members Rossi and another's Marlin after I introduced the two others to A&A at the shooting show.
Hoppum said:
Unrelated, TVP have had my variation request for a month now without so much of a peep. 
Oh what a surprise.... 
I hear Hampshire have sorted themselves out and drastically improved their poor service and massive waiting times which had been similar to TVP, but, no sign of TVP doing likewise.
aeropilot said:
I hear Hampshire have sorted themselves out and drastically improved their poor service and massive waiting times which had been similar to TVP, but, no sign of TVP doing likewise.
My old man's in Lincolnshire which according to statistics is worse than Thames Valley and they turned around his variation in under a month, they also have a handy online account system where you can see what stage your application is at.All I've had from Thames Valley is a text to say they've received it and they've cashed the cheque.
Hoppum said:
aeropilot said:
I hear Hampshire have sorted themselves out and drastically improved their poor service and massive waiting times which had been similar to TVP, but, no sign of TVP doing likewise.
My old man's in Lincolnshire which according to statistics is worse than Thames Valley and they turned around his variation in under a month, they also have a handy online account system where you can see what stage your application is at.All I've had from Thames Valley is a text to say they've received it and they've cashed the cheque.
aeropilot said:
red_slr said:
If you can try on a few sets of muffs (assuming you are going that route) as they are all slightly different shape. Sordins were the best fit for me and have worn them for 4+ hours in one stint and no issues.
You may find that as you don't have your own gun (yet) you may pick the wrong muffs......as I found that both pair of leccy muffs I had for rifle shooting interfered with shooting a shotgun, as knocking/clashing with the stock.I ended up having a set of custom moulded leccy ear plugs made for clay shooting, so they didn't interfere with the shotgun stock.
red_slr said:
I have a Mossberg 500 and was thinking about converting it to a long tube and getting it over onto my FAC for PSG but not had the time. Had my renewal recently and FEO had a bit of a different attitude this time and very much of the opinion you had to be using your (FAC) guns regularly so don't think I could justify it.
Some forces want to see that you are also a member of a club that shoots a FAC shotgun discipline before granting you a S1 shotty, so if your current club doesn't have that facility, you need to join one that does etc. And, as said, that also means you have to show enough usage of it as well.red_slr said:
On the plus side I have now got a slot for .44 under lever....
Now do I go brass or steel!
Now do I go brass or steel!
Passed IPSC safety and competition course.
I shoot my hatsan like a laser beam I’ve actually found something I’m good at, speed and accuracy. Shame I’m about as fast as an octogenarian at everything else.
You can fit an 8 round magazine, as I’m also very familiar with its manual of arms, safety loading etc I’d be a lot better with this. Was good weak shoulder too.
I bought a box fed and had one slot for section one so permission isn’t a problem.
I went for box fed as arthritis in my fingers makes loading lots fast difficult but I’d like to try first competitions with the hatsan as I’m better with it.
I have a couple of guns but my fave is a beretta 486 parallelo 20g, always quite fancied a pair ( for no real good reason!)
I probably won’t ever shoot with anything different in my lifetime.
Looked into it with beretta but it would cost a lot to sell mine and get a factory or matched pair.
However a 2nd hand identical gun has come up for sale on gun trader, it’s same length, pistol grip and beaver tail. Regarding serial number It has the the same prefix and it’s exactly 10 less in serial number.
It won’t ever be a factory pair or matched pair but I guess it would be a composed pair.
Can’t decide if it’s worth buying or just a daft idea and I should buy a real pair !!
Views ?
Phib
I probably won’t ever shoot with anything different in my lifetime.
Looked into it with beretta but it would cost a lot to sell mine and get a factory or matched pair.
However a 2nd hand identical gun has come up for sale on gun trader, it’s same length, pistol grip and beaver tail. Regarding serial number It has the the same prefix and it’s exactly 10 less in serial number.
It won’t ever be a factory pair or matched pair but I guess it would be a composed pair.
Can’t decide if it’s worth buying or just a daft idea and I should buy a real pair !!
Views ?
Phib
I don't know anyone personally. I have read of a few people refused but usually for obvious things which they knew about before application. Usually either a technical matter for people wanting to shoot over land or a medical issue.
Are you target shooting or hunting (or both?).
Have you any specific concerns you will be refused?
Are you target shooting or hunting (or both?).
Have you any specific concerns you will be refused?
red_slr said:
I don't know anyone personally. I have read of a few people refused but usually for obvious things which they knew about before application. Usually either a technical matter for people wanting to shoot over land or a medical issue.
Are you target shooting or hunting (or both?).
Have you any specific concerns you will be refused?
It's practical shooting. No real concerns just curious and a bit of a worry-guts!Are you target shooting or hunting (or both?).
Have you any specific concerns you will be refused?
The main check list is:
Full membership of HO approved club. (or PSG club etc)
Only applied for firearms your club shoots.
Only applied to hold "reasonable" number of rounds for each firearm.
You have the correct security requirements for what you have requested (i.e enough storage for everything incl ammo).
2 references who are willing to answer the questions the FEO will ask and are easily contactable by phone.
No issues with doctor.
Declared ANY previous convictions incl traffic offences.
No previous convictions for firearms, drugs, domestic violence. (same with anyone who lives with you).
Other than that you should be good to go.
There is not really much to worry about. When the FEO visits for the first time just relax and be yourself. They will be trying to figure you out and its best to just be yourself. Once you have built up a bit of conversation you will be fine. I have known my FEO for 20 years now and she is great and very fair.
The main thing is be ready to answer the main key questions. If you have applied for a lot of guns on your initial grant or similar guns get ready to be asked why. So long as you can justify you are generally ok. Sometimes you might need to barter a bit. i.e you asked for .22LR, .223, 7.62x51 and 6.5 creedmoor. The FEO might say ok well you can have the .22LR, .223 but you have to pick 6.5 or 7.62. (or they might not have an issue!).
My force will generally allow 4 or 5 firearms on initial grant.
For .22LR you are looking at 1000-1500 max.
For .223 and smaller CF stuff like pistol ammo 500-600.
Larger CF ammo 500 max but usually 300.
All forces are different.
Factor in the costs too, because you are expected to fill your initial grant in the first 5 years. If you renew after 5 years with open slots you will usually lose that slot and have to do a variation if you want it again. You can give justification though, such as being unable to find a specific firearm for sale if its rare or if you have just put an order in at the time of renewal. (then you are usually given 6 month extension).
Remember to keep your safe keys secure and on your person. Do not allow any person access to your keys. When your FEO visits have your keys in your pocket or on a key chain on your belt. If the FEO asks where you keep your keys (they probably will) then tell them on your person. Don't tell the FEO where you keep your keys when they are not on your person, you should not tell *anyone*. If they ask tell them you are not meant to tell anyone..
If you live with someone ensure they know they are not to give anyone access to the property in relation to your firearms without you being there. This *includes* the police. With exception if they have a firearms warrant. Tell them they must come back when you are there and to ring and make an appointment.
Once you have your FAC make sure you understand how the FAC works and the process for buying firearms if doing private transactions. If buying from an RFD its a bit easier as they produce the paperwork for you to post off.
Most initial grants take at least 3 months. Some forces are a bit slower 4-6 months.
What have you applied for?
Full membership of HO approved club. (or PSG club etc)
Only applied for firearms your club shoots.
Only applied to hold "reasonable" number of rounds for each firearm.
You have the correct security requirements for what you have requested (i.e enough storage for everything incl ammo).
2 references who are willing to answer the questions the FEO will ask and are easily contactable by phone.
No issues with doctor.
Declared ANY previous convictions incl traffic offences.
No previous convictions for firearms, drugs, domestic violence. (same with anyone who lives with you).
Other than that you should be good to go.
There is not really much to worry about. When the FEO visits for the first time just relax and be yourself. They will be trying to figure you out and its best to just be yourself. Once you have built up a bit of conversation you will be fine. I have known my FEO for 20 years now and she is great and very fair.
The main thing is be ready to answer the main key questions. If you have applied for a lot of guns on your initial grant or similar guns get ready to be asked why. So long as you can justify you are generally ok. Sometimes you might need to barter a bit. i.e you asked for .22LR, .223, 7.62x51 and 6.5 creedmoor. The FEO might say ok well you can have the .22LR, .223 but you have to pick 6.5 or 7.62. (or they might not have an issue!).
My force will generally allow 4 or 5 firearms on initial grant.
For .22LR you are looking at 1000-1500 max.
For .223 and smaller CF stuff like pistol ammo 500-600.
Larger CF ammo 500 max but usually 300.
All forces are different.
Factor in the costs too, because you are expected to fill your initial grant in the first 5 years. If you renew after 5 years with open slots you will usually lose that slot and have to do a variation if you want it again. You can give justification though, such as being unable to find a specific firearm for sale if its rare or if you have just put an order in at the time of renewal. (then you are usually given 6 month extension).
Remember to keep your safe keys secure and on your person. Do not allow any person access to your keys. When your FEO visits have your keys in your pocket or on a key chain on your belt. If the FEO asks where you keep your keys (they probably will) then tell them on your person. Don't tell the FEO where you keep your keys when they are not on your person, you should not tell *anyone*. If they ask tell them you are not meant to tell anyone..
If you live with someone ensure they know they are not to give anyone access to the property in relation to your firearms without you being there. This *includes* the police. With exception if they have a firearms warrant. Tell them they must come back when you are there and to ring and make an appointment.
Once you have your FAC make sure you understand how the FAC works and the process for buying firearms if doing private transactions. If buying from an RFD its a bit easier as they produce the paperwork for you to post off.
Most initial grants take at least 3 months. Some forces are a bit slower 4-6 months.
What have you applied for?
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