The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters
Discussion
Neptune188 said:
My logical suggestion was to take a vertical one and lie it on the floor.
Fine until you try and open the door 
The doors are chuffin heavy, and I doubt the hinges are designed to support the door, and you'll find it a real problem trying to hold the door open with one hand and using the other to put a gun in/out.
Honestly, its not really practical to lay a vertical one flat and access it easily.
That's why the purposely designed ones are only for 2 shotties, as the doors are lighter construction.
creampuff said:
red_slr said:
"JM" Marlin in .44 
Nice, so nice. Every Uberti, Henry & Rossi that I've tried have been much nicer than any Marlin I've tried. Maybe I've just been unlucky?
aeropilot said:
creampuff said:
red_slr said:
"JM" Marlin in .44
Nice, so nice. Every Uberti, Henry & Rossi that I've tried have been much nicer than any Marlin I've tried. Maybe I've just been unlucky?
aeropilot said:
I don't get the 'Marlin love-in' that everyone seems to have for them, because every Marlin I've ever shot has been horrid.
Every Uberti, Henry & Rossi that I've tried have been much nicer than any Marlin I've tried. Maybe I've just been unlucky?
I have a Rossi in .44 it was my favourite untl the marlin.Every Uberti, Henry & Rossi that I've tried have been much nicer than any Marlin I've tried. Maybe I've just been unlucky?
The Rossi is light short and a lot of fun. I still prefer the marlin although that may be caliber related 45/70 vs .44
Although if I were walking through the Bush I know what I’d rather carry.
red_slr said:
Yeah I must admit I had to snap it up, although I don't personally have any issues with the other brands (really like Hendy) but its not often a JM comes up in stainless so thought I better not hang around.
Yeah, SS ones are quite rare to find, so can understand that.My mates missus has a stainless steel .357 Rossi with 20" octagonal barrel and that's lovely.
It's currently in transit up to A&A along with my Uberti 1873 for some of Alan & Adam's excellent fettling
I'm doing some private consulting work in addition to my day job. My immediate thought is to spend some of the cash on more guns. I'd need a variation.
I've only ever shot prone at Bisley (except for the gallery ranges) but I'd like to shoot a full or intermediate power cartridge standing up. I think the discipline is Civilian Service Rifle, but I've yet to try it out. I'd also like to just use iron sights.
Anybody on here done civilian service rifle or shot standing up at Bisley?
I'm eyeing off either a SMLE 303 or a .223 scout rifle, such as the Ruger Gunsite Scout like this:
I like the look of the SMLE and the Ruger. The SMLE is cheaper to buy, more historic value but the ammo is a bit more expensive. The scout rifle is a bit more expensive to buy but the ammo is cheaper. The scout is about 7lbs weight so reasonably heavy for what it is.
I've only ever shot prone at Bisley (except for the gallery ranges) but I'd like to shoot a full or intermediate power cartridge standing up. I think the discipline is Civilian Service Rifle, but I've yet to try it out. I'd also like to just use iron sights.
Anybody on here done civilian service rifle or shot standing up at Bisley?
I'm eyeing off either a SMLE 303 or a .223 scout rifle, such as the Ruger Gunsite Scout like this:
I like the look of the SMLE and the Ruger. The SMLE is cheaper to buy, more historic value but the ammo is a bit more expensive. The scout rifle is a bit more expensive to buy but the ammo is cheaper. The scout is about 7lbs weight so reasonably heavy for what it is.
creampuff said:
I'm doing some private consulting work in addition to my day job. My immediate thought is to spend some of the cash on more guns. I'd need a variation.
I've only ever shot prone at Bisley (except for the gallery ranges) but I'd like to shoot a full or intermediate power cartridge standing up. I think the discipline is Civilian Service Rifle, but I've yet to try it out. I'd also like to just use iron sights.
Anybody on here done civilian service rifle or shot standing up at Bisley?
I'm eyeing off either a SMLE 303 or a .223 scout rifle, such as the Ruger Gunsite Scout like this:
I like the look of the SMLE and the Ruger. The SMLE is cheaper to buy, more historic value but the ammo is a bit more expensive. The scout rifle is a bit more expensive to buy but the ammo is cheaper. The scout is about 7lbs weight so reasonably heavy for what it is.
I'm not sure the Ruger qualifies for CSR...? as it's not a military service rifle...the clue is in the name I've only ever shot prone at Bisley (except for the gallery ranges) but I'd like to shoot a full or intermediate power cartridge standing up. I think the discipline is Civilian Service Rifle, but I've yet to try it out. I'd also like to just use iron sights.
Anybody on here done civilian service rifle or shot standing up at Bisley?
I'm eyeing off either a SMLE 303 or a .223 scout rifle, such as the Ruger Gunsite Scout like this:
I like the look of the SMLE and the Ruger. The SMLE is cheaper to buy, more historic value but the ammo is a bit more expensive. The scout rifle is a bit more expensive to buy but the ammo is cheaper. The scout is about 7lbs weight so reasonably heavy for what it is.
SMLE/No.4/No.5/K98/Mosina/Springfield03 etc all do, as do straight pull versions of M16/Garand/AK/SLR etc, etc.
I might be tempted to enter a CSR comp one day using my No.5, but at my age, all that running about lark is a bit too much for my knackered back and limbs
The difference in ammo cost between 5.56 and .303 for a competition would only be about 15-20 quid and you won't be doing it every week!!
Everyone needs at least one .303 in their cabinet
although for CSR, I'd be inclinded to go for a No.4 rather than SMLE, as the No.4 is better at the ranges used in CSR than a SMLE, which is better at longer ranges.Yes, I've shot CSR at Bisley and can answer most of your questions I'm sure.
The clue is in the name yes. The 'C' doesn't stand for military, hence you don't have to use a 'military' rifle (whatever that is supposed to be these days), but what you use is going to depend on which class you enter.
Here are the basic rules for what you can use if you're shooting iron sights:
Historic Enfield Class:
a. Any SMLE, No 4 or No 5 .303” Enfield pattern Service Rifle.
b. Rests may not be used.
c. Trigger pull 4.5 lbs minimum.
d. A sling corresponding to as issued 1937 pattern is permitted.
Any Iron Class:
a. Iron sights only.
b. No restriction on slings.
c. Other than as in e below, rests are prohibited.
d. Trigger pull 4.5 lbs minimum.
e. Magazine resting is permitted. When magazine resting, only the magazine, and no other part of the rifle, may touch the ground.
First thing is are you remotely bothered how well you do or is it just for a bit of fun?
The clue is in the name yes. The 'C' doesn't stand for military, hence you don't have to use a 'military' rifle (whatever that is supposed to be these days), but what you use is going to depend on which class you enter.
Here are the basic rules for what you can use if you're shooting iron sights:
Historic Enfield Class:
a. Any SMLE, No 4 or No 5 .303” Enfield pattern Service Rifle.
b. Rests may not be used.
c. Trigger pull 4.5 lbs minimum.
d. A sling corresponding to as issued 1937 pattern is permitted.
Any Iron Class:
a. Iron sights only.
b. No restriction on slings.
c. Other than as in e below, rests are prohibited.
d. Trigger pull 4.5 lbs minimum.
e. Magazine resting is permitted. When magazine resting, only the magazine, and no other part of the rifle, may touch the ground.
First thing is are you remotely bothered how well you do or is it just for a bit of fun?
Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Friday 4th May 16:16
FurtiveFreddy said:
The clue is in the name yes. The 'C' doesn't stand for military, hence you don't have to use a 'military' rifle (whatever that is supposed to be these days).
Yes, I've shot CSR at Bisley and can answer most of your questions I'm sure.
I was under the impression (been told) that the 'service' bit meant, exactly that.......a service rifle? and the C bit was civilian as in the shooter, rather than the gun....?Yes, I've shot CSR at Bisley and can answer most of your questions I'm sure.
Still wouldn't mind having a go at something to make more use of the No.5 though...... as it's no a target rifle
aeropilot said:
I was under the impression (been told) that the 'service' bit meant, exactly that.......a service rifle? and the C bit was civilian as in the shooter, rather than the gun....?
Still wouldn't mind having a go at something to make more use of the No.5 though...... as it's no a target rifle
Seeing as straight pull SA80s are a bit hard to come by, that would be tricky.Still wouldn't mind having a go at something to make more use of the No.5 though...... as it's no a target rifle
You can shoot any bolt action .308 rifle with a scope, for instance, in the Practical Class.
In the Service Optic class, most use custom built straight pull AR-15 derivatives.
Maybe whoever you were talking to was referring to the historics?
So, you could use that Ruger in the Any Iron class and it might even be fairly competitive in the right hands. I don't shoot in that class myself so don't know what people are using, but I suspect straight pull AR's with iron sights.
Even though bolt action rifles are much heavier, they often have the advantage when it comes to the longer range prone shooting. There are several different CSR matches and some go back to 500 or even 600 yds. (not standing though).
Edited by FurtiveFreddy on Friday 4th May 16:24
FurtiveFreddy said:
First thing is are you remotely bothered how well you do or is it just for a bit of fun?
Not really that bothered. Although I've yet to try CSR so I could stay not bothered about how good I am or I could try to get quite good, depending on how I feel about it once I give it a try. I would like a second full/intermediate power rifle in any case for prone precision shooting with iron sights, just to give me a bit more variety and extra to do once I finish with the scoped .308 for the day. The flash suppressor on the scout rifle... is that going to make it loud like a muzzle brake or are they two separate things?
Edited by creampuff on Friday 4th May 16:45
creampuff said:
Not really that bothered. Although I've yet to try CSR so I could stay not bothered about how good I am or I could try to get quite good, depending on how I feel about it once I give it a try. I would like a second full/intermediate power rifle in any case for prone precision shooting with iron sights, just to give me a bit more variety and extra to do once I finish with the scoped .308 for the day.
The flash suppressor on the scout rifle... is that going to make it loud like a muzzle brake or are they two separate things?
Ah well there's been some debate about that...The flash suppressor on the scout rifle... is that going to make it loud like a muzzle brake or are they two separate things?
Short answer is that a flash suppressor doesn't usually work in the same way as a muzzle brake and won't necessarily make it a lot louder, but you are allowed brakes in CSR at Bisley so it doesn't really matter if you wanted to use it in those matches.
You need a slot for a flash suppressor.... so better to have a brake.
CSR is one of my favourite comps to shoot. We don't have any major restrictions and most people use straight pull AR15s.
We cant do a 300 yard "run down" due to the range not being flat, so we do urban contact from 100 yards down to 25 yards.
Lots of mag changes and different shooting positions.
Did a "mini" CSR in .22 the other week, was great fun, 40 rounds in 50 seconds, standing, kneeling, sitting and prone. Strong side first then another 40 rounds on the weak side. Then did the urban contact too.
CSR is one of my favourite comps to shoot. We don't have any major restrictions and most people use straight pull AR15s.
We cant do a 300 yard "run down" due to the range not being flat, so we do urban contact from 100 yards down to 25 yards.
Lots of mag changes and different shooting positions.
Did a "mini" CSR in .22 the other week, was great fun, 40 rounds in 50 seconds, standing, kneeling, sitting and prone. Strong side first then another 40 rounds on the weak side. Then did the urban contact too.
Do you really need a slot for a flash hider?
Found this thread with high speed bullet photography. Everybody has seen high speed bullet photos before, but these are a standard above:
https://www.texasguntalk.com/threads/high-speed-pi...
Found this thread with high speed bullet photography. Everybody has seen high speed bullet photos before, but these are a standard above:
https://www.texasguntalk.com/threads/high-speed-pi...
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